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Demo_Chris

(6,234 posts)
32. You are no doubt smarter than the average person...
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 03:14 PM
Jan 2013

You are no doubt smarter than the average person. You understand the deeper issues going on here, the long term cause and effect, and the historical context of the worker's struggle.

But then maybe the American people aren't as ignorant as we believe. Maybe they cannot afford to care about that stuff when they are trying not to lose their home. They see companies closing plants in union states and reopening them in non-union states or, thanks to Clinton and NAFTA, out of the country. And if that plant opens in their town they aren't cursing the fact that it's non-union, they are praising Jesus that they have a shot at a job. And while they know they won't make the mega-bucks they believe union guys make in Detroit, they are happy to have anything -- there are a thousand guys applying for every opening that exists. That's not ignorant, thats just wanting a job.

Nor are they ignorant in their understanding of the benefits they currently enjoy. Most people know by now that those benefits were originally won by union workers. They know that a hundred years ago union members fought and often died to win them those rights. But that was then, and this is now. Today those unions and jobs are long gone. It's not non-existant unions protecting those rights, it's their votes, and they know it. That's not ignorance, that's just how it is.

Further, unless they happen to be in one of the few remaining powerful unions themselves, they have never once had a union do anything on their behalf. No one is winning them $8000 bonuses. The Longshoremen aren't taking to the streets to protest the pay or conditions at Walmart -- America's largest employer -- nor are auto workers or teachers. If you work at Walmart or McDonalds or Target or Home Depot you are on your own. Hell, forget unions, they don't even have a party that does anything for them. Again, that's not ignorance, that's reality.

Mind you, it might be short-sighted.

But here's the thing, for the most part the unions are already gone. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, 94% of American private sector workers DO NOT HAVE union representation. And so long as there are more workers looking for work than jobs available, that isn't really going to change significantly.

So really, just how ignorant is this 94%?

Maybe we were the ignorant ones when we passed NAFTA and shipped their jobs away. And if the company is saying you can have a job but no union, what choice did we leave these workers but to say "Yes sir, when can I start!"

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htm

why don't ALL Americans DEMAND good union jobs? mike_c Jan 2013 #1
Americans should demand their state raise the minimum wage. it is to low. Sunlei Jan 2013 #27
Because demanding one doesn't get you one michigandem58 Jan 2013 #35
Two reasons. rhett o rick Jan 2013 #36
This is excellent! WinstonSmith4740 Jan 2013 #2
Congrats auto worker union members.......I'm glad that YOU are getting a big bonus TheDebbieDee Jan 2013 #3
Hear, hear ! Let Detroit go "to the bank"...with deposits. libdem4life Jan 2013 #4
Alan Mulalley had done a great job with Ford. Boeing must miss him with it's present problems. virgogal Jan 2013 #5
" 'Profit SHARING' ?!? Humbug!" FailureToCommunicate Jan 2013 #6
Wow. That's... unreal really. Their bonus is half the average Walmart workers yearly pay Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #7
Around $18/hr for new hires SpartanDem Jan 2013 #9
Good money. Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #10
That's a huge amount of money to a regular person. MNBrewer Jan 2013 #8
Yep, it certainly is that Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #11
tax rate on bonuses used to be 50%. still the same? nt msongs Jan 2013 #12
No. Your W-2 does not break down bonus v salary or hourly. Socal31 Jan 2013 #21
Correct... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2013 #31
That's only about $380 million. Ford's _net_ was $13.6 billion. jtuck004 Jan 2013 #13
Ford better get there act together or they will be history. doc03 Jan 2013 #14
Huh. I've talked to many happy Ford owners and it looks like they AllyCat Jan 2013 #16
Huh? Socal31 Jan 2013 #23
They have dumped millions into Lincoln trying to save it without results doc03 Jan 2013 #28
That's wonderful. SheilaT Jan 2013 #15
Stories like this one define how the public thinks of unions and union workers Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #17
CEO's and banksters get million$ in bonuses... dotymed Jan 2013 #24
I think, or at least hope, that everyone gets that Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #26
Only real problem is how many really stupid people in this country believe such tripe The Straight Story Jan 2013 #25
You are no doubt smarter than the average person... Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #32
Gotta disagree Sgent Jan 2013 #30
Probably true, assuming they remember the details. Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #33
That is good news! DrewFlorida Jan 2013 #18
Wow! I just bought a Ford Focus! PennyK Jan 2013 #19
good news, similar thing Henry Ford did, in 1920? boosted daily pay by 25%, & boosted the economy Sunlei Jan 2013 #20
Wait what? Treating employees (more) properly? Fearless Jan 2013 #22
Two fords in our drive madokie Jan 2013 #29
#FiveDollarDay NewYorkTaxPayer Jan 2013 #34
GOPers want to return to the good ol' days of $5.00/day for ALL of the 47% Bozita Jan 2013 #37
I understand what you are saying, NewYorkTaxPayer Jan 2013 #39
how much do the Toyota, Nissan and other right to work state workers get Bombero1956 Jan 2013 #38
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