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In reply to the discussion: ‘Armed Teacher Training Program’ Launches In 15 States [View all]jtuck004
(15,882 posts)69. Beats being delusional. Within the past couple years I can remember people dying
just pulling guns out of their cars. No human finger on the trigger. One killed himself in front of the gun store in OKC, the other shot his kid pulling a shotgun out for a romp in the field (I know, shotguns don't have drop safeties). One grabbed a 9mm out of a box...and on a call, years ago, we had to work around a gun that had fired into a wall after being dropped.
While such "safe" weapons are the rule, that's fine in a lab, but your contention would seem that a malfunction wouldn't be possible, that it will all work perfectly and not put millions of kids, teachers, visitors, vendors, and others at potential risk of being murdered accidentally by a teacher packing heat. And you know it won't, so don't waste my time.
It might only be 1 in 100,000 that do that. But you can't predict whether it will be incident #1 or #100,000 that does it - just a little experiment in social Russian Roulette, eh?
Yet we don't mind asking kids to be the test range dummies in this little experiment in horror. It's a nightmare that not even Jerry Farber would have imagined.
That said, you are correct. nearly overwhelmingly there won't be a problem from dropping. Statistically the most likely possibility is that kids or other teachers will be shot by a teacher who draws their weapon and fires, for whatever reason.
I'm a big believer in hanging on to guns, not against the government, but against far more local threats, but I'm not stupid nor willing to throw out reason to support dumbassery.
It's an extraordinarily stupid idea to arm teachers.
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It's ok. There may be thirty or so children in the room, but they're small targets. nt
onehandle
Jan 2013
#3
actually, that comment isn't so far off. The ones you speak about are soldiers
roguevalley
Jan 2013
#32
Well, yeah, but we men do need to be careful how we handle women, most of us.
bemildred
Jan 2013
#67
Money talks. Anyone else see a connection between Big War and the gun nuts?
grahamhgreen
Jan 2013
#6
Armed guards, or in the case of our district, trained sworn officers, makes some sense.
mbperrin
Jan 2013
#8
How about a pre-school teacher who is unarmed but has been trained in how to disarm a gunman?
slackmaster
Jan 2013
#57
If teacher have to be cops/soldiers/Rambo in addition to all of their teaching duties...
NYC Liberal
Jan 2013
#25
Can the non-carry teachers demand a separate lounge? I would think their odds of dying
jtuck004
Jan 2013
#26
Beats being delusional. Within the past couple years I can remember people dying
jtuck004
Jan 2013
#69
The mind-set, tactics, and other aspects of self-defense training are more important than the weapon
slackmaster
Jan 2013
#54
Meh. Nothing wrong with the course, and no school boards will really approve anything
Recursion
Jan 2013
#51
You are assuming that these schools springing up are going to have legitimate programs for
yellowcanine
Jan 2013
#60
The thinkprogress article is as usual short on specifics, but examples I've seen in other sources...
slackmaster
Jan 2013
#61