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lbrtbell

(2,389 posts)
37. He could have used a bomb
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 09:06 PM
Dec 2012

Would that have made you happy? Because bombs can't kill nearly as many people as a gun, right?

We need to get past blaming the weapon and start blaming a failed mental health system that allows people to slip into the state of mind that makes them want to commit such acts. Even if no guns were available to these people, they would still kill...only they would use homemade weaponry that could kill a lot more people.

These severely mentally ill people need help BEFORE they get to this point.

Moar guns. Moar guns. Moar guns. onehandle Dec 2012 #1
He could have done it with something else... lawn furniture maybe... Electric Monk Dec 2012 #21
A sign forbidding guns, a law against carrying in public, or a law against shooting people... TPaine7 Dec 2012 #28
the mall is a guns free zone nt littlewolf Dec 2012 #73
Is it? TPaine7 Dec 2012 #82
Disclaimer: I was told this by someone else. littlewolf Dec 2012 #93
Some moran probably thought it read "free guns at the mall". Remmah2 Dec 2012 #151
until it wasn't Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #163
There is no law against shooting people in Clackamas county? enlightenment Dec 2012 #86
People think we need laws to stop these things, so I was being sarcastic. TPaine7 Dec 2012 #101
I like your second sentence. enlightenment Dec 2012 #106
That's ok. You have been civil to me; not everyone has to agree. TPaine7 Dec 2012 #108
He could have used a bomb lbrtbell Dec 2012 #37
He did not use a bomb. SoapBox Dec 2012 #43
Duh but he could have RegieRocker Dec 2012 #133
Give it up. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2012 #48
Well said. apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #90
To you I would qualify as a "gun nut." ... spin Dec 2012 #104
Intellectual dishonesty and the mouths of morons have probably killed more people than guns. Remmah2 Dec 2012 #150
LOL bongbong Dec 2012 #157
Moral superiority is a funny thing. Remmah2 Dec 2012 #160
Strawmen are funny bongbong Dec 2012 #164
I couldn't help noticing it took some other men with "toys" to neutralize the attacking guy... pop topcan Dec 2012 #244
That's enough. Seriously. You're ridiculous. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #57
You've got that right. crim son Dec 2012 #72
Let's see... Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2012 #58
Not many people know how to build a bomb, me included madokie Dec 2012 #66
I think the google probably has it. Probably youtube also. Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #110
You don't know he would need mental help until upaloopa Dec 2012 #226
+1 valerief Dec 2012 #52
Thinking about it, this whole "GUNS & FREEDOM" religion pushed by the right is a SCAM. alp227 Dec 2012 #76
Oh, Jeez. Here we go again. Laurian Dec 2012 #2
Your right we have to wait til Fox News says its ok. southernyankeebelle Dec 2012 #13
Was just about to post this...but you beat me to it... YoungDemCA Dec 2012 #3
I'm listening to it on the local news me b zola Dec 2012 #4
I called my youngest just to make sure Viva_La_Revolution Dec 2012 #45
Guns, Guns and more Guns. SoapBox Dec 2012 #5
Lol! Yep, brace yourselves... primavera Dec 2012 #9
LOL bongbong Dec 2012 #158
Yep. Wish we could rec posts. apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #95
If knives are as easy to use as guns, then crim son Dec 2012 #6
No guns = killers will use bombs lbrtbell Dec 2012 #42
What we do have in our heads is that he used a gun, not a bomb. SoapBox Dec 2012 #44
It takes more effort and more time to build a bomb ItsTheMediaStupid Dec 2012 #47
8775 killed with guns. 4 with explosives. progressoid Dec 2012 #54
Don't waste your time. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2012 #67
You mean like what happens in other countries with sensible gun laws? DanTex Dec 2012 #62
Kids 7 and 11 threaten woman with loaded gun in neighboring multnomah county.. days apart. fun n serious Dec 2012 #114
Jamaica instituted a total ban a few years ago. It is drowning in gun violence as we pontificate. pop topcan Dec 2012 #245
I saw Portland and I thought Maine. MADem Dec 2012 #7
Every other year? Every few months, unfortunately. Laurian Dec 2012 #17
Every couple of weeks, by my count. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #19
I'm talking about a "holiday" shooter... nt MADem Dec 2012 #91
Another day, another American explosion BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #8
Suspect on the loose after shots fired at Clackamas Town Center kgw.com - 7 minutes ago A masked gun Coyotl Dec 2012 #10
When all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. maxsolomon Dec 2012 #11
Collary? leapinggnome Dec 2012 #23
yep - fixed maxsolomon Dec 2012 #26
I live really close to this mall. The helicopters are out and so are the sirens neverforget Dec 2012 #12
I have not found if shooter has been found nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #33
The shooter has been "neutralized" according to the Sheriff's office neverforget Dec 2012 #35
Good. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #38
War on Christmas! nt heliarc Dec 2012 #14
thankfully, he doesn't seem like much of a shot. Mel Content Dec 2012 #15
I've heard two people are dead. I suppose that's okay with you? Chorophyll Dec 2012 #18
Two is too many, but it could have been a lot worse ItsTheMediaStupid Dec 2012 #49
why would you suppose that...? Mel Content Dec 2012 #59
No, but I LOVE that it isn't fifty. aquart Dec 2012 #78
That is only dead, there are wounded too nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #34
I'm goddamn sick of this. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #16
get used to it: the gun nuts won Skittles Dec 2012 #24
sadly accurate AnOhioan Dec 2012 #31
That's the truth. The sad, sad truth. tosh Dec 2012 #32
I can't accept that. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #55
New norm = fewer shootings and less gun violence. hack89 Dec 2012 #87
WE?? Skittles Dec 2012 #111
Well it could be true if he is a doctor. aandegoons Dec 2012 #120
We = America as a whole hack89 Dec 2012 #128
AMERICA is SICK OF YOU FUCKING GUN NUTS Skittles Dec 2012 #246
That's nice. Feel better? nt hack89 Dec 2012 #247
I know I feel worse than YOU do Skittles Dec 2012 #248
I have two school age kids hack89 Dec 2012 #249
This message was self-deleted by its author hack89 Dec 2012 #127
The crime rate tracks the proportion of young adult males in the population. Nt. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #131
Which indicates the area to look for root causes and real solutions. hack89 Dec 2012 #140
The point being that regulating, for example, high capacity magazines Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #144
Let remember the lessons of Virginia Tech hack89 Dec 2012 #146
Oh, thank goodness. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2012 #137
It is very much is something to be upset about hack89 Dec 2012 #141
If there were more people armed... nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #36
Gee, what if half the mall was carrying and a total fire fight broke out ItsTheMediaStupid Dec 2012 #53
Oh com'on, bullets only kill the bad guys! nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #69
Everyone who advocates that more people carrying firearms would have coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #188
Perhaps you can give us a real-world example or 2, instead of Hollywood ones... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #211
Well, let's see. Ask any vet who's been in a real live fire-fight, where coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #218
Surely you can come up with a real-world example. There are +/- 8 million permit holders... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #224
Here you go, baby-killer: coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #237
"baby-killer", eh? I see the witch hunt has begun... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #238
Oh well, so much for *that* alert: friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #239
Holy fuck. Vile fucking bigotry against non-criminals certainly seems to be the order of the day. PavePusher Dec 2012 #243
DU juries usually get it right. n/t. apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #251
You have the blood of at least 20 children on your hands. I hope you're coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #240
Yep, just as you have the broken souls of child porn victims on yours. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #242
+1. n/t. apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #250
Feh. I've been called worse by better... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #252
Oh the irony. Remmah2 Dec 2012 #149
They're choosing a spokesman as we speak. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2012 #50
Chosen, and dispatched to the scene: see #87. Typical NRA bullshit being spewed apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #100
This message was self-deleted by its author friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #116
I doubt the NRA runs the FBI, as they are the ones that confirming the declining violent crime rates friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #118
And Gungeon spokesman #2 washes up onto the scene. n/t. apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #121
I note you do not dispute the accuracy of that, instead choosing to carp about the messenger. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #170
When the "messenger" is peddling a right-wing NRA line on a progressive, Democratic apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #179
What the hell is "right-wing NRA line" about what he posted? beevul Dec 2012 #187
And the swarm is on! #7 in this thread, late to the scene but making up for it with apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #189
Someone has to contrast the antigun ideologues that got here first and almost always do. beevul Dec 2012 #197
Translation: "someone has to get the NRA's side of the message out there!!!11" apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #198
Does your worldview allow that theres a such thing as a non-nra pro gun position? beevul Dec 2012 #204
"is it simply that anyone thats pro-gun-rights is an an nra stooge?" - well said. apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #206
Doubtful: think Eric Hoffer's "The True Believer", or Richard J. Hofstadter's... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #209
LOL! apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #215
"Or will you rely on people with...guns...to make that happen?" Brilliant! NYC_SKP Feb 2013 #253
Actually, they got their facts from the FBI-anyone can, at their website friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #212
I recently discovered the Ignore feature on DU. llmart Dec 2012 #186
I don't blame you in the least: it's a crying shame we have to put with right-wing NRA talking apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #191
FBI facts - nothing to do with the NRA. hack89 Dec 2012 #130
Facts are derailing the Two Minutes' Hate, and we can't have that... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #172
Disagreeing with you about gun policy is not a "two minutes hate," sport: apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #176
You blame the NRA; you bash gun owners that had nothing to do with this horrible case... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #203
I wish I could rec your post. N/T beevul Dec 2012 #207
"there's one problem with...your opponents...RW plants" - FIFY. Yep. n/t. apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #208
There are a couple books you should read- they might strike a chord with you. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #210
"You might not be getting the glorious, gun-free future you envision" - Sure I am: so is the entire apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #214
"What a beautiful world it will be; what a glorious time to be free..." friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #216
Uh-huh. apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #217
Interesting; I never knew the validity of an argument depended upon... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #225
Uh-huh. apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #227
You'll get many fine explanations, most of them consisting of finely-woven bullshit. apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #98
i just heard on the news. DesertFlower Dec 2012 #20
Where is Reverend Billy When You Need Him? triplepoint Dec 2012 #22
Just heard the shooter has been neutralized from the police spokesman on CNN... TPaine7 Dec 2012 #25
Shooter is dead according to news conference. n/t RebelOne Dec 2012 #61
Portland Local News: - Suspect 'neutralized' after deadly shooting at Clackamas Town Center Coyotl Dec 2012 #27
Tis the season for psychotic breaks. trouble.smith Dec 2012 #29
'Tis the season to mass murder kurtzapril4 Dec 2012 #46
The whole year has been the season for psychotic breaks. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #60
I wasn't. trouble.smith Dec 2012 #81
I wouldn't JonLP24 Dec 2012 #184
Multiple wounded. aquart Dec 2012 #30
And two dead... riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #65
More Gun Fun! jpak Dec 2012 #39
Did anyone see Jon Stewart last nite? He asked WHEN is the right time to talk about Gun Control?? jillan Dec 2012 #40
Yes, that was very well done. Link here. Electric Monk Dec 2012 #51
I just saw it this evening. progressoid Dec 2012 #56
Interesting Article in Mother Jones neeksgeek Dec 2012 #41
Gee, a mall full of people and nobody had another gun to shoot-it-out??111!!!!1 riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #63
Maybe it's time for mandatory gun ownership. godai Dec 2012 #75
Don't they already have that somewhere in Georgia? n/t TheCowsCameHome Dec 2012 #80
Yes, in Kennesaw. I lived there for about 5 years. All homeowners are required to have a gun. RebelOne Dec 2012 #83
I've had it. I'VE HAD IT. I wish we would enact the strictest gun laws in the WORLD. nolabear Dec 2012 #64
You know what would have prevented this? More people shooting wildly into a crowded area. name not needed Dec 2012 #68
+1,000 - n/t primavera Dec 2012 #74
That's bound to happen someday. n/t godai Dec 2012 #79
It's the human cost of living with our laws. The death toll of 'Freedom'. Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #70
When the fuck is our government going to step up to the fucking plate here? 47of74 Dec 2012 #71
What? And risk upsetting the NRA and their ilk? TheCowsCameHome Dec 2012 #77
They will not interfere as long as gun violence is at historic lows and declining. hack89 Dec 2012 #88
That day is coming, trust me, my friend, as the country turns Blue: apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #102
Speaking of living in a fantasy world... Dr_Scholl Dec 2012 #112
Go for it, culture warrior! Demonize a large chunk of the voting population! friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #117
Except, they haven't: the Democratic Party controls the White House and the Senate. apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #124
And that explains why gun control was so prominent in the campaign ... oh wait. hack89 Dec 2012 #166
Keep cutting and pasting your own posts, they're quite convincing... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #173
Of course they are "quite convincing": the facts have a liberal bias. apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #174
I note you do not dispute the accuracy of that, instead choosing to carp about the messenger. apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #175
You can not be serious. beevul Dec 2012 #192
That's what would happen if the US was a developed nation primavera Dec 2012 #177
Why limit it to gun laws. Remmah2 Dec 2012 #147
is it resolved yet? Liberal_in_LA Dec 2012 #84
A quick review of the "rules" about when it's okay to discuss gun policy might be in order: TygrBright Dec 2012 #85
"Clackistan" Oregon-Tea bagger heaven. ErikJ Dec 2012 #89
Clackamas County went Obama hugo_from_TN Dec 2012 #92
Yes, 3% margin--but neighboring Multnomah County 75% Obama. ErikJ Dec 2012 #96
I live in Clackamas County, actually really close to this mall. This county is a swing county neverforget Dec 2012 #97
The most conservative part of the Metro area by far. ErikJ Dec 2012 #105
I'm no expert on gun-related issues, but I do know this much: Brigid Dec 2012 #94
So what do you suggest? WinniSkipper Dec 2012 #222
I thought these things only happened in Colorado and Texas Rocknrule Dec 2012 #99
Stand on Zanzibar Zorro Dec 2012 #103
Yes, a mucker slackmaster Dec 2012 #123
This mass murder kind of kills the NRA meme that an assault doc03 Dec 2012 #107
Not really. Dr_Scholl Dec 2012 #113
Weren't something like sixty rounds fired though? Fumesucker Dec 2012 #119
Or he could have just carried more magazines. Dr_Scholl Dec 2012 #125
Maybe when everyone is armed all the time these sorts of incidents will taper off Fumesucker Dec 2012 #126
I read somewhere the gun jammed after 50-60? shots. The shooter ran off into a store. Sunlei Dec 2012 #213
How you figure that? Maybe he was just a bad shot and if he was limited to a 10 round magazine doc03 Dec 2012 #162
Just like cho? N/T beevul Dec 2012 #193
The Virginia Tech massacre proves that you are wrong hack89 Dec 2012 #167
I guess I'll be first. My heart goes out to those involved. flvegan Dec 2012 #109
It doesn't matter whether it was Portland or Clackamas. fun n serious Dec 2012 #115
Hmmm, Unusual Iggy Dec 2012 #122
A Thread On This Incident Has Opened In Gun Control/RKBA..... Paladin Dec 2012 #129
A thread started by one of your fellow Prohibitionists. PavePusher Dec 2012 #138
Like jpak said: Paladin Dec 2012 #143
The only difference between a "prohibitionist" and a "fudd" is... beevul Dec 2012 #194
Don't Get Me Started About Whitman. Paladin Dec 2012 #199
I'll note you characterize my comments as "snotty", not "untrue". N/T beevul Dec 2012 #202
Need Some Help, There? Paladin Dec 2012 #219
Over in the gungeon they are very concerned. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #132
Does the truth matter? Remmah2 Dec 2012 #134
You And Your Gun Enthusiast Pals Can't Handle The Truth. (nt) Paladin Dec 2012 #135
Intellectual dishonesty at it's best. Remmah2 Dec 2012 #148
in this case technical accuracy is pretty much beside the point. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #142
Well now, that changes everything, doesn't it? TheCowsCameHome Dec 2012 #136
A thread started by one of your fellow Prohibitionists. PavePusher Dec 2012 #139
And the greek chorus joined in on cue. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #145
This is the most likely scenario for most Dirty Harry wannabes... onehandle Dec 2012 #152
This message was self-deleted by its author Hoyt Dec 2012 #153
They're always concerned about nomenclature. Such obfuscation helps protect their access to guns. Hoyt Dec 2012 #154
You heard it here first folks. beevul Dec 2012 #195
They are now reporting that the gun jammed???? condoleeza Dec 2012 #155
modern times are not more dangerous... Blackhawk44 Dec 2012 #156
Guns make you SAFER! bongbong Dec 2012 #159
Clearly a hollow point. Remmah2 Dec 2012 #161
Yes! bongbong Dec 2012 #165
"orders"? You truly are paranoid. LOL hack89 Dec 2012 #168
Not paranoid bongbong Dec 2012 #182
I love a good CT hack89 Dec 2012 #183
LOL bongbong Dec 2012 #185
You realize only a tiny fraction of gun owners carry in public? hack89 Dec 2012 #190
LOL bongbong Dec 2012 #228
So what percentage of gun owners carry in public? hack89 Dec 2012 #230
HO HO HO bongbong Dec 2012 #231
You dismissed it - I thought you actual had some evidence hack89 Dec 2012 #232
Gun nuts bongbong Dec 2012 #233
Gun grabbers hack89 Dec 2012 #234
Keep it up! bongbong Dec 2012 #235
I think it funny that proof is not needed to support gun control hack89 Dec 2012 #236
Still batting .00000 bongbong Dec 2012 #241
Thats just the tip of the iceberg. beevul Dec 2012 #196
LOL bongbong Dec 2012 #229
I can only imagine that in their last moments of life, the victims were comforted LanternWaste Dec 2012 #169
Updated: 1:45 PM Oregon mall shooter identified; used stolen rifle Wernothelpless Dec 2012 #171
Apparently you haven't hear the latest update Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #200
Actually I noticed it was a stolen rifle ... Wernothelpless Dec 2012 #220
More martyrs on the second amendment alter. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2012 #178
Thank god he didn't have a bow and arrow. Remmah2 Dec 2012 #180
No, Hawkeye, Green Arrow, and Robin Hood are the patron saints of the arrow. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2012 #181
Not a proud week for us Portlanders - what can we do? condoleeza Dec 2012 #201
I don't text- any other way of contributing? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #205
Yes, here is a link to her Facebook Support page condoleeza Dec 2012 #223
did he just pull the trigger and close his eyes? underoath Dec 2012 #221
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