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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
27. Negligence, not hyperbole.
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:27 AM
Nov 2012

1. No, I'm not one of that kind of people.

2. So, people have been building rockets for centuries. In our civilized times, with actual law-enforcement, I hope it should be more difficult to build such a device than it used to be.

3. My "question" - repeated or not - boils down to this:
"Does the government of "Palestine" have the competence or the will to stop people who would force their country into a war with Israel?"
Competence? No.
The palestinians in the Gaza-strip have several work-shops where they build rockets and I have never heard news that the Hamas moved against them. Likewise, those lone-wolves have fired their rockets at Israel regardless of the political circumstances at those times. And I have never heard any news that Hamas disapproved of their attacks or tried to discipline them.
Will? No.
Hamas wants war with Israel. Their followers/constituents have antipathy towards Israel and have been whipped into a frenzy by Hamas. Condemning any attack on Israel would run counter to their very ideals and would be a betrayal on their constituents and therefore political suicide.



I say, that the foundation of Palestinian nation would be a mistake right now. Another war with Israel would just be a matter of time. Unless Israel, Fatah and Hamas agree to some sort of peace-treaty, and give the moods on both sides some time to calm down, the foundation of a palestinian state would be premature.
My advice to Hamas would be to get their house in order: Try to look more like sensible politicians and less like smuggling warlords and build diplomatic pressure on Israel. Violence won't work, Israel has bigger guns, more guns and more modern guns. You are the winners, because Israel was forced to stop kicking your ass! Yeah! Guess what? Your house is still rubbles.
Man up and admit that the viscious cycle of violence works to Israel's advantage.
Your country in ruins, your population becoming more and more addicted to drugs...
Maybe it's time for a dramatic twist and a new narrative: Making Israel look bad by staying peaceful and not giving in to their provocations.

good. SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2012 #1
War crimes.... jaysunb Nov 2012 #2
The truth shouldn't be buried with bargains. rudycantfail Nov 2012 #3
The world is about to hear that Arafat was murdered. rudycantfail Nov 2012 #4
probably not. Mosby Nov 2012 #17
Isn't that what Alexander Litvinenko died from when the Russians poisoned him rudycantfail Nov 2012 #18
you didn't read the link I provided did you? Mosby Nov 2012 #19
I'm not claiming the French hospital did anything. rudycantfail Nov 2012 #20
I'm hardly an expert with radioactive substances Mosby Nov 2012 #21
I did look at what he said. rudycantfail Nov 2012 #22
Good. It's the only sensible and positive choice. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #5
What a ridiculous demand on Britain's part Scootaloo Nov 2012 #6
I was going to bring up the fact that Britain arbitrarily created the Middle Eastern countries lunatica Nov 2012 #7
What happens if "Palestine" starts a war with Israel? DetlefK Nov 2012 #8
Can the Republican or Democratic parties make such promises? Scootaloo Nov 2012 #9
A government should be able to keep WMDs out of unauthorized hands. DetlefK Nov 2012 #11
...Do you even know what a "WMD" is? Scootaloo Nov 2012 #14
Yes. Long-range missiles are considered conventional weapons, not WMDs. Aristus Nov 2012 #16
I would like to repeat my question: DetlefK Nov 2012 #23
USA, UK, Eire, France, Germany, Italy, ... Nihil Nov 2012 #24
Negligence, not hyperbole. DetlefK Nov 2012 #27
Any country that has Internet access. Aristus Nov 2012 #28
If a real Palestinian state isn't founded now... Ken Burch Nov 2012 #10
if it happens then the voters in a Palestinian state hopefully will vote in modern loli phabay Nov 2012 #26
France to back Palestinian bid for UN status dipsydoodle Nov 2012 #12
Deal breaker. War crimes should absolutely be pursued. joanbarnes Nov 2012 #13
Australia to abstain from vote on UN status for Palestine Scurrilous Nov 2012 #15
William Hague says UK set to abstain in Palestinian UN vote muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #25
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