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Violet_Crumble

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39. As bad as Australia's been, we seem to be miles ahead of the US...
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 02:59 AM
Jan 2012

btw, like Tony, I'm Australian. I doubt any country settled by the British Empire can claim purity, but it's how we try to make atones for the genocide and undo what damage we can that makes a difference. Australia under a Labor government has taken big steps to try to do that, but there's still a long way to go.

Has the US recognised native title when it comes to indigenous Americans? Australia has. In 1992 the High Court accepted native title and struck down the concept of terra nullis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mabo_v_Queensland_(No_2)

Has the US govt ever issued an official apology to indigenous Americans for what was done to them? Australia has.

http://australia.gov.au/about-australia/our-country/our-people/apology-to-australias-indigenous-peoples

I work in a large organisation, and that apology was the only thing I've seen where everyone's stopped working and stood in front of the TVs in our breakout areas watching. Nothing's done that before, not 9/11 or Julia Gillard becoming PM. Our former conservative PM, true to form, refused to attend the sitting of Parliament, and the Liberal leader gave a speech afterwards making excuses for the treatment of Aboriginal Australians.

On the down-side, and it's interesting to note that the example I'm going to use is from when John Howard was PM, there was a call back in the late '90's for a Royal Commission examining the issue of government funding to our indigenous population. What abysmal funding there was wasn't being pointed in the right directions, but because the Liberals were in power, instead of it being a Royal Commission, they duck shoved it to a very small government agency I was working in, where they hoped no-one would take any interest in the inquiry or its findings. And they got it right. The findings of the inquiry was that there needed to be better and more focused funding to indigenous communities, and the government of the time totally ignored it. So, yes, we have a long way to go yet...

I'm totally disgusted and disillusioned by Julia Gillard, but I'm glad when she comes out with something I agree with for a change. But knowing the history of referendum results here, I've got grave doubts that any referendum on removing racist stuff from the constitution will succeed, mainly because how referendums are run means that unless there's a vast majority supporting change it's not going to get across the line....

They hadn't before? Did they miss the memo on what "aboriginal" means? (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2012 #1
I know Australia has been trying to give due recognition/respect to the aboriginals for a long time, Demit Jan 2012 #2
You beat me to it, Demit. They've been there at least 40,000 years and I suppose Ecumenist Jan 2012 #4
True but you won't find one ReTHUG who will acknowledge malaise Jan 2012 #9
'that's mighty white of them' Number23 Jan 2012 #33
I guess living in a country for 10,000 years isn't enough. I didn't realize the Ozzies Monk06 Jan 2012 #3
Monk06, if you are an American, you might want to consider the phrase that combines SwissTony Jan 2012 #7
SwissTony, if you are Swiss, you might want to consider that phrase too. whathehell Jan 2012 #12
WTH, I'm not Swiss, I'm Australian SwissTony Jan 2012 #16
Okay, Tony! whathehell Jan 2012 #18
No argument from me on your statement that SwissTony Jan 2012 #22
Then I guess whathehell Jan 2012 #24
I'll get the beers. Dutch Heiniken is acceptable? nt SwissTony Jan 2012 #26
You betcha! whathehell Jan 2012 #27
LOL. I can't spell Heineken!!!! SwissTony Jan 2012 #28
Neither can I...Fear not! whathehell Jan 2012 #29
LOL! EFerrari Jan 2012 #21
There's plenty of stuff on the intertubes SwissTony Jan 2012 #23
As bad as Australia's been, we seem to be miles ahead of the US... Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #39
Wrong..Legal precedents granting Native American sovereignty go back to the 19th century whathehell Jan 2012 #46
Actually I'm Canadian and until recently we were almost as bad as the Ozzies Monk06 Jan 2012 #42
You do realise we have native title here? Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #44
Here is another change that was made earlier.... xocet Jan 2012 #14
It's a good example of how long it takes to reverse destructive and unfair legislation lunatica Jan 2012 #5
"Racist majority"? Not quite. A very vocal and influential minority can do the trick. AverageJoe90 Jan 2012 #8
I think you are very optimistic. EFerrari Jan 2012 #11
I grew up in a city that was more than 99% white. hunter Jan 2012 #15
Apartment owners and landlords simply didn't rent to "Negroes or Mexicans" - Oz parallel. SwissTony Jan 2012 #17
That happens here all the time although it is illegal. EFerrari Jan 2012 #19
Maybe, but legal recourse should not be shrugged off...I know because whathehell Jan 2012 #25
Good for you! EFerrari Jan 2012 #30
Thanks! whathehell Jan 2012 #36
I tried to buy a house in Albany, CA, in the late 80s. EFerrari Jan 2012 #20
Yeah, things did happen, and there were some who did perpetuate some of the B.S...... AverageJoe90 Jan 2012 #32
That's how powerful they were. AverageJoe90 Jan 2012 #31
A few years ago I realized I was born in the second week of the Montgomery bus boycott EFerrari Jan 2012 #34
There's definitely some truth to that. AverageJoe90 Jan 2012 #38
good to see some (slow) progress being made on the issue Blue_Tires Jan 2012 #6
Good. nt bemildred Jan 2012 #10
Oh!, my nanabugg Jan 2012 #13
Fabulous Aboriginal Art & Music tabatha Jan 2012 #35
That music was kind of a bit boring. Here's some good stuff... Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #40
Thanks tabatha Jan 2012 #41
Geoffrey Gurrumul, perhaps? SwissTony Jan 2012 #43
Setting an example for the United States L. Coyote Jan 2012 #37
Old thread, but... mojowork_n Jan 2012 #45
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