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TahitiNut

(71,611 posts)
15. See... this is what's so fucking annoying about it.
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 09:44 PM
Sep 2012

You just don't GET IT. It's not surprising ... so few do. So, let me try to make it clearer.


I DON'T want "credit" or an "attaboy" or to be treated as some kind of "hero." Never did. Never will.
I don't know any (real) Viet Nam Vet who looks at it that way. It's hard to feel "heroic" when so much of the time in Nam was infuriating Mickey Mose nonsense and utter boredom, punctuated by short times of pants-pissing terror that the incoming is gonna blow you up or leave you without an arm or a leg. I don't know ANYONE I was with that felt particularly "heroic" or "brave." No fucking way. Every damned swinging dick was focused on one thing: counting down their own 365 and getting the fuck out of there. I don't know a single swinging dick that didn't envy guys like you ... or guys that managed to avoid the draft altogether. Even Jody. Everyone did it differently ... but nobody I ever knew was eager for medals or pats on the back. (Least of all... medals.)

That's the WHOLE POINT. It was a matter of survival ... and getting back to the real world.
All I EVER wanted was for my wife, family and friends to be glad I got back alive and in one piece.
The "welcome" I wanted wasn't a parade for "heroes" ... just relief and some expression of love.

Instead, it was a kick in the teeth. That's ESPECIALLY difficult to deal with when, as often happens, I felt some degree of "survivor's guilt." You see, we all went to Nam alone. And we came back alone. In between, we made friends that became closer than we'd ever had. We didn't fuck with each other. Long nights standing guard on some bunker line ... we talked. We shared parts of ourselves we'd never trusted anyone with before. We got drunk together. We trusted each other. Leaving Nam to go back to the world felt like abandoning friends.

For what? Just to survive. That's all.

Then we see all the "Rambos" ... guys claiming some kind of credit that it never even occurred to me to want. There are so fucking many of them that everyone misses the fucking point! Other people form their impressions MOSTLY from such frauds ... and the movies. It, Just. Ain't. That. Way.

For you to equate my annoyance to some "dishonor" for YOUR service is just nuts.

But there's a DIFFERENCE between surviving ... counting down 365 days and hoping you didn't get killed or (worse) maimed for life ... scared ... and doing your time stateside. A BIG difference. It's a difference tht can't be described. No matter how much you THINK maybe you "get it" from what I've said ... you don't.

Spam deleted by Paulie (MIR Team) maratmuradyan Sep 2012 #1
The law needs to also include campaign decorations jmowreader Sep 2012 #2
Which is odd because many posts have a SAL that is pretty inclusive... Earth_First Sep 2012 #6
What happened to the Repeal Obamacare votes? I thought that was all they did. nt valerief Sep 2012 #3
Who were the 3 who voted against it? Archae Sep 2012 #4
30+ did not vote Angry Dragon Sep 2012 #9
Too bad. I guess we'll continue to deal with 3-4 times as many "Viet Nam veterans" ... TahitiNut Sep 2012 #5
I have to agree, I happen to be a Navy Vet. Never been in official war zone. However... Katashi_itto Sep 2012 #7
I, and a LOT of others, did my damnedest to blend in and not be obvious ... TahitiNut Sep 2012 #11
Thank you and your generation Victor_c3 Sep 2012 #16
I appreciate that. TahitiNut Sep 2012 #26
My father was stationed in Okinawa during the tail end of Vietnam Earth_First Sep 2012 #8
Actually... rexcat Sep 2012 #10
Everyone who served, served. Robb Sep 2012 #14
See... this is what's so fucking annoying about it. TahitiNut Sep 2012 #15
I never said that your annoyance dishonored my service... rexcat Sep 2012 #17
Q.E.D. TahitiNut Sep 2012 #25
Different service...but the trust thing is relevant rppper Sep 2012 #18
LOL glacierbay Sep 2012 #12
those who have served fade away icarusxat Sep 2012 #20
Oh I didn't mean for it to sound the way it did glacierbay Sep 2012 #24
yeah, i got a brother like that. mopinko Sep 2012 #13
Because the House is just soooooooooooooo concerned about fraud! MotherPetrie Sep 2012 #19
Isn't fraud already illegal? NYC Liberal Sep 2012 #21
Are they jealous? I'll bet none of them or their kids ever served a day in any military service. judesedit Sep 2012 #22
Lying about fighti in VietNam or any other conflict shows the amount of respect for or guilt someone judesedit Sep 2012 #23
Not often, these days, that I can agree with a Republican panzerfaust Sep 2012 #27
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