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16. Something I've learned in my decades on this planet

Mon Aug 22, 2016, 03:38 PM

Aug 2016

is that it is often possible for more than one party in a dispute to be wrong. Sounds like there's more than enough blame to go around in this case.

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USA TODAY Sports investigation raises questions about Rio cops, Lochte incident [View all] B2G Aug 2016 OP

Maybe one of these days we'll get the whole story. NaturalHigh Aug 2016 #1

I think this report comes pretty close to just that. nt B2G Aug 2016 #2

I agree. A drunk exaggerated but the security guards, police and judge were despicable. anamandujano Aug 2016 #8

So Jimmy Feigen will get his $11,000 back? groundloop Aug 2016 #3

If this report is correct, the Police Chief lied in his presser. B2G Aug 2016 #4

The whole gun pointing to me is a big red flag citood Aug 2016 #7

DUers had it in for Lochte from the get-go. Couldn't wait to pounce on the privileged white guy. zonkers Aug 2016 #9

I agree Lochte does not come out of this as a saint citood Aug 2016 #10

There are three minutes missing from the tape. We won't ever see the missing footage. anneboleyn Aug 2016 #35

I said in one of the threads that I take the Brazilian authorities words with a grain of salt NWCorona Aug 2016 #12

Good. OBenario Aug 2016 #41

I know right? The horror in having pride in your country NWCorona Aug 2016 #52

Yes, too much pride can be dangerous. OBenario Aug 2016 #67

... NWCorona Aug 2016 #72

I believe you don't understand... OBenario Aug 2016 #73

It seems like you don't know what you are talking about actually. NWCorona Aug 2016 #75

I'm talking about Americans... OBenario Aug 2016 #79

Are you American? NWCorona Aug 2016 #84

Nope. n/t OBenario Aug 2016 #87

Then you don't have anything to say about it then hater NWCorona Aug 2016 #88

Of course I do. n/t OBenario Aug 2016 #90

True but it's meaningless as you are obviously an American hater. NWCorona Aug 2016 #91

No, I'm not. OBenario Aug 2016 #94

And they aren't. I understand that you are upset because Brazil is looking bad NWCorona Aug 2016 #96

Actually... OBenario Aug 2016 #97

Maybe because he's an American. Look at how you are twisted into knots because NWCorona Aug 2016 #98

I didn't admit anything. OBenario Aug 2016 #99

Yes you did. Don't try to change the fact that you said that lol NWCorona Aug 2016 #100

Admiting the existence of corruption is not the same of saying Brazilians are corrupted. n/t OBenario Aug 2016 #102

The government? yes. NWCorona Aug 2016 #104

The current federal government is not even legitimate... OBenario Aug 2016 #105

"no moral leg to stand on and call any other country of this planet corrupted" EX500rider Aug 2016 #103

LOL OBenario Aug 2016 #106

Let me guess. You're Brazilian. nt B2G Aug 2016 #92

Bingo. n/t OBenario Aug 2016 #95

I'll say. See post #74, before it gets removed. mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2016 #80

Dang! NWCorona Aug 2016 #85

My thoughts too! The swimmers WERE held at gunpoint, extortion, etc. The Rio officials also lied. anneboleyn Aug 2016 #33

re: the people here. Yes, wrestling with that rabble is like dealing with a condo board. What zonkers Aug 2016 #43

They never even entered a bathroom as far as I can tell. LisaL Aug 2016 #58

Then study Brazilian laws OBenario Aug 2016 #45

That's for sure. LisaL Aug 2016 #59

It sounds like they still intend to scam the same amount from Lochte. Skeeter Barnes Aug 2016 #13

Lochte says he 'over exagerrated'. GeorgeGist Aug 2016 #5

If Lochte hadn't told the exaggerated account to his family, they wouldn't have reported that he Chakab Aug 2016 #6

That's true. However, it seems that there's plenty of blame to go around. groundloop Aug 2016 #11

Even if the police account of their behavior Chakab Aug 2016 #14

I wonder whether, if this bears out, Matt Lauer will publicly apologize for his overkill in his big JudyM Aug 2016 #15

Matt Lauer interviewing Ryan Lochte = milestogo Aug 2016 #46

Yep. It wasn't pretty and it just would.not.end! JudyM Aug 2016 #54

Make gas station owner whole? LisaL Aug 2016 #57

It's just a legal standard, here in the US, anyway... for whatever damage/cost is incurred, JudyM Aug 2016 #107

Something I've learned in my decades on this planet Retrograde Aug 2016 #16

I'd like to know why right wingers like the Lochte guy so much. Kingofalldems Aug 2016 #17

I'd like to know why DU is so quick to take the side of cops with guns. nt B2G Aug 2016 #18

Actually wasn't referring to you in my post Kingofalldems Aug 2016 #27

If a Brazilian cop told me the sky was blue, I would want to go outside to check his statement. Travis_0004 Aug 2016 #28

I say the same thing about cops in Red states, especially Ferguson, MO. tenderfoot Aug 2016 #30

American Exceptionalism leading to revisionism. n/t OBenario Aug 2016 #19

Would you care to explain? B2G Aug 2016 #20

Some Americans simply won't accept the swimmers' mistake... OBenario Aug 2016 #22

I'm not seeing that argument being made. nt B2G Aug 2016 #23

Neither do I. OBenario Aug 2016 #24

Your dislike of him is obviously coloring your objectivity. B2G Aug 2016 #25

Your country arrest foreigners... OBenario Aug 2016 #26

There are over 300,000,000 people in the US, cpwm17 Aug 2016 #34

Nope. OBenario Aug 2016 #38

So there are Americans defending both Ryan Lochte and the treatment of the Brazilian tourist? cpwm17 Aug 2016 #44

That's irrelevant. OBenario Aug 2016 #47

it is LOCHTE'S sense of entitlement Skittles Aug 2016 #49

Then there's no hypocrisy. cpwm17 Aug 2016 #50

LOL Skittles Aug 2016 #36

No, I'm not. I'm referring to a 100% real case. OBenario Aug 2016 #39

HELLO! NOT ALL AMERICANS ARE SAYING THAT! Skittles Aug 2016 #48

Why should he be grateful Travis_0004 Aug 2016 #29

This story makes no sense. n/t OBenario Aug 2016 #37

K & R SunSeeker Aug 2016 #21

This reminds me of how the cops and media treated Richard Jewell alarimer Aug 2016 #31

They brought it upon themselves when they embellished the story PersonNumber503602 Aug 2016 #32

Much public corruption alarimer Aug 2016 #62

Wow OBenario Aug 2016 #40

So a poor American baby was brutalized and extorted in this terrible way... OBenario Aug 2016 #42

"You don't need the FBI or CIA any longer. You got 'USA Today'." mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2016 #53

This is quite an innocent view of the role of media. OBenario Aug 2016 #55

LOL Skittles Aug 2016 #56

I really don't care OBenario Aug 2016 #60

And yet you've posted thirteen replies in this thread as of 9:25 Tuesday morning. mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2016 #64

What can I say... deal with it. Not forcing you to read, am I? n/t OBenario Aug 2016 #70

And USA TODAY is 'head of the class'. (eom) CanSocDem Aug 2016 #63

As newspapers go, it is pretty much News McNuggets. NT mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2016 #65

I was the victim of a shakedown in Rio 15 years ago redstateblues Aug 2016 #51

Both sides acted like fuckwads, here, both the 3 Americans and the Rio cops Odin2005 Aug 2016 #61

They didn't pay anything to cops. You are inventing things. n/t OBenario Aug 2016 #68

Yeah, they did. The security guards were off duty cops. nt B2G Aug 2016 #93

"Civilized countries". Wow. How xenophobic from you. n/t OBenario Aug 2016 #69

You seem to have a thin skin. Odin2005 Aug 2016 #71

Post removed Post removed Aug 2016 #74

Ding-ding-ding! Ladies and gentlemen, we have our Godwin. mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2016 #76

I don't think Godwin applies... OBenario Aug 2016 #78

That still leaves the Klan comment mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2016 #81

Are you denying the links between Democratic Party and KKK in the early 20th century? n/t OBenario Aug 2016 #82

More like immediately following the Civil War. Everyone knows that. mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2016 #83

"Things are very different today" OBenario Aug 2016 #86

I was thinking of the Rolling Stones, mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2016 #89

What did he say? Odin2005 Aug 2016 #109

This is a fair article Meshuga Aug 2016 #66

A 32 year old man stayed up relayerbob Aug 2016 #77

The language barrier hardly helped the situation, Warpy Aug 2016 #101

No jcgoldie Aug 2016 #108