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oberliner

(58,724 posts)
82. Unfortunately the information presented is entirely inaccurate
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 09:18 PM
Jun 2012

The reality is as follows:

In the first round, a total of five candidates received over 90 percent of the vote.

Morsi and Shafik, the two who would eventually have the runoff, had a little under 50 percent between them.

In third place was Sabahi, who could be identified as the "liberal" candidate. He got about 20 percent of the vote.

In fourth was another Islamist who was formerly head of the Muslim Brotherhood. He got a little under 20 percent.

In fifth was Amr Moussa who was Mubarak's Foreign Minister and later the Secretary General of the Arab League. He got a little over 10 percent.

What the poster above does not realize is the extent to which the population of Egypt leans towards religious fundamentalism and away from secularism.

The Muslim Brotherhood candidate did not win because he pretended to be something he wasn't or because there was some large group of liberals who were split between dozens of candidates.

The Muslim Brotherhood candidate won because the Muslim Brotherhood is most reflective of the Egyptian population at large.

51 to 48 Viva_La_Revolution Jun 2012 #1
I was afraid this would happen B2G Jun 2012 #8
Go Fundies! snooper2 Jun 2012 #2
Bomb 'em. nt onehandle Jun 2012 #3
CNN banner link deminks Jun 2012 #4
There may still be hope for Egypt. The military was unable to stop the vote nor could they cheat. nanabugg Jun 2012 #84
The Egyptian Military could have done ANYTHING they wish clang1 Jun 2012 #109
That is the problem with a Draftee Army, it takes a professional army to do a proper coup happyslug Jun 2012 #111
This message was self-deleted by its author clang1 Jun 2012 #117
AP link maddezmom Jun 2012 #5
And the barbarianism continues. unreadierLizard Jun 2012 #6
When bushie started the 2 wars they talked about how this was going to result in a lot of ME states jwirr Jun 2012 #36
Nebraska? What the hell was wrong with EAST GERMANY? MADem Jun 2012 #88
He was thinking that Nebraska is in the center of the USA. Protected on all sides. However given the jwirr Jun 2012 #105
Well, we had--still have--plenty of forces stationed in Germany since WW2... MADem Jun 2012 #118
There hasn't been any "barbarism" -- there has been an election, and that's what democracy is about. The Stranger Jun 2012 #135
It was Morsi or a return to the old policies. MineralMan Jun 2012 #7
very true but it is a setback for women in that country nt Windy Jun 2012 #9
You're probably right. It's still not something MineralMan Jun 2012 #12
Sure it is, but we get what we vote for. Now, it'll be hell trying to vote those fundamentallist demosincebirth Jun 2012 #49
Sharia is not that different than what the Fundies want to do here. PostCapitalist Jun 2012 #69
nope but their 'murikans n/t clang1 Jun 2012 #77
Oh, come on. Quite a bit of difference, I would say. demosincebirth Jun 2012 #116
Under sharia law in Iran, homosexual teens are hanged in town squares from drott cranes. MADem Jun 2012 #134
Unfortunate it was choice between two bad choices. DCBob Jun 2012 #10
Nobody is sure how it will turn out. MineralMan Jun 2012 #13
Change is better dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #11
You're right. Time will tell how MineralMan Jun 2012 #15
I guess Europe felt that way about the U.S. when W "won" KakistocracyHater Jun 2012 #31
"Europe" doesn't feel anything. It's a continent. MineralMan Jun 2012 #43
Do you know anything about Europe? clang1 Jun 2012 #50
No, I haven't lived in Europe. MineralMan Jun 2012 #53
re: it is still a place, and places don't feel things. It's a place full of people clang1 Jun 2012 #54
How you find my views is of little concern to me, thanks. MineralMan Jun 2012 #56
You have no idea n/t clang1 Jun 2012 #57
So true."Europe" is often used here as a stand-in for all that is good and worthy of emulation entanglement Jun 2012 #90
As regards reality, Your post is absurd so you know. n/t clang1 Jun 2012 #52
Oh, OK. Thanks for letting me know. MineralMan Jun 2012 #55
What I was really commenting on was your narrow view of the OPs post clang1 Jun 2012 #58
Europe isn't as Lefty-Peacenik as some Americans think. MADem Jun 2012 #92
+1000 n/t clang1 Jun 2012 #19
Many just still don't get it Dipsy.... n/t clang1 Jun 2012 #21
No it isn't. If they step over the line, there's a lot we can do about it. Our opinion is not MADem Jun 2012 #91
Could mean a balance of power between him and the military muriel_volestrangler Jun 2012 #14
Yeah the civil war implications are concerning. Very worrisome for women, glbts, Copts riderinthestorm Jun 2012 #59
It all a balancing act isn't it clang1 Jun 2012 #62
The military will be running the country. UnrepentantLiberal Jun 2012 #16
You write truth. MineralMan Jun 2012 #17
Let's hope. jwirr Jun 2012 #38
There's gonna be a whole lot of "Those People don't *deserve* democracy" around here for awhile.. nt Posteritatis Jun 2012 #18
I see very few advocates of Democracy lately harun Jun 2012 #112
Egypt has chosen the lesser of two evils CrazyBob Jun 2012 #20
Exactly!! Just like we do over here, every damn election day ourselves. clang1 Jun 2012 #22
President Obama will handle it diplomatically. MineralMan Jun 2012 #24
He has a lot of options CrazyBob Jun 2012 #70
The biggest option that he has is to close the American WALLET. We give them a fortune every year. MADem Jun 2012 #93
Hurray, I guess. nt Deep13 Jun 2012 #23
A lot of people on DU were really excited about the MineralMan Jun 2012 #25
re: Those DUers who are disappointed in this result are missing something here clang1 Jun 2012 #26
Well they didn't have much of a choice. Deep13 Jun 2012 #65
There was a choice in the first election, who was a liberal. MineralMan Jun 2012 #66
Disagreeing intellectually and interfering are not the same thing. Deep13 Jun 2012 #104
Shame really SnakeEyes Jun 2012 #27
Illogical clang1 Jun 2012 #28
"no way we could have known"... bhikkhu Jun 2012 #60
Actually more than a few DUers saw this coming. riderinthestorm Jun 2012 #61
Totally agree -nt CrazyBob Jun 2012 #71
"Nobody saw this coming." Speak for yourself NickB79 Jun 2012 #63
so are they going to destroy Ancient Egyptian artifacts? KakistocracyHater Jun 2012 #29
Like in Iraq and in Afganistan? clang1 Jun 2012 #30
Yeah. Pretty telling look into attitudes though, isn't it? Ugh. (nt) Posteritatis Jun 2012 #33
People are their own worse enemies sometimes clang1 Jun 2012 #34
Further along this dynamic clang1 Jun 2012 #46
You know now that I sit here and think about it clang1 Jun 2012 #37
It definitely is. (nt) Posteritatis Jun 2012 #40
Oddly enough there's a whole continuum of Muslims, of which the Taliban are just one extreme. (nt) Posteritatis Jun 2012 #32
Why would they do that? MineralMan Jun 2012 #45
The pharonic culture has historically colored the lives of ALL Egyptians. MADem Jun 2012 #94
Might be wise for any Egyptian women who have the means to do so 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #35
Total overreaction - nt CrazyBob Jun 2012 #72
Many of the people here care little for Egypt n/t clang1 Jun 2012 #75
Yeah? That's what people said about Iran in 79. nt MADem Jun 2012 #95
Probably best to just assume that the religious fundamentalists taking charge will be a *good* 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #107
The Mubarak government had years in which to make the transition JDPriestly Jun 2012 #39
So just who are you blaming here? clang1 Jun 2012 #47
We shall see what chance women have. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #106
Perhaps you should consult with Aliaa Magda Elmahdy. n/t Psephos Jun 2012 #130
The neo-cons say they want democracy and elections bluestateguy Jun 2012 #41
Wrong re: The neo-cons say they want democracy and elections clang1 Jun 2012 #51
Totally agree CrazyBob Jun 2012 #73
Neocons’ Tepid Reaction to the Egyptian Democratic Revolution clang1 Jun 2012 #80
The Calm Before the Storm solarman350 Jun 2012 #42
Pfffft Give me a break clang1 Jun 2012 #48
What? CrazyBob Jun 2012 #74
It was reported onMSNBC that Morsi said he might drop out of Auntie Bush Jun 2012 #44
Don't get your hopes too far up. MADem Jun 2012 #97
The "secular" Mubarak state banned women from the presidency. David__77 Jun 2012 #98
Who here is making the argument that the dictatorship of Mubarak was "better?" MADem Jun 2012 #101
Well that was predictable, I'm sure the Coptic Christians are thrilled. crimson77 Jun 2012 #64
I feel very deeply for the Copts. Bad_Ronald Jun 2012 #67
Perhaps this will be the time for positive change for them as well n/t clang1 Jun 2012 #68
I grab dinner on my way home from this pizza place, the owner and his wife are from Alexandria. crimson77 Jun 2012 #81
All of you need to realize how this happened. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2012 #76
+1 on breaking it down clang1 Jun 2012 #79
Unfortunately the information presented is entirely inaccurate oberliner Jun 2012 #82
He just did it highlevel is how I interpreted it (thought it was rough reading that post) clang1 Jun 2012 #83
The first round results? oberliner Jun 2012 #85
Thanks much clang1 Jun 2012 #86
Whether you were a Shafik supporter or Morsi supporter, in the end, the real winner is the military. AJTheMan Jun 2012 #78
I'm guessing the few Jews in Cairo are packing. MADem Jun 2012 #87
This message was self-deleted by its author clang1 Jun 2012 #89
If you do not understand the history and culture, you do not understand the people. MADem Jun 2012 #96
Lol sure all that is relevant clang1 Jun 2012 #99
It is as relevant as the work of our founding fathers is to our national character. MADem Jun 2012 #100
Fair enough clang1 Jun 2012 #102
No problem! nt MADem Jun 2012 #103
My friend's daughter is studying abroad in Cairo revolution breeze Jun 2012 #120
I'd send a shipment home if I were her... MADem Jun 2012 #124
Very good advice clang1 Jun 2012 #128
I copied your post and forwarded it to my friend. revolution breeze Jun 2012 #129
Oh dear. She's lucky to not be on the doggone No Fly list. MADem Jun 2012 #132
I almost wish she were on the no-fly list. revolution breeze Jun 2012 #138
Her mother has my deepest sympathies. You just can't tell 'em when they Know It All. MADem Jun 2012 #139
And the Arab Spring gives way to a harsh theocratic winter KamaAina Jun 2012 #108
He still has to govern a diverse population Robb Jun 2012 #110
So many open Islamophobes on DU, give them a chance. harun Jun 2012 #113
You don't have to be an Islamophobe to fear something called the "Muslim Brotherhood" KamaAina Jun 2012 #114
Last President was a member of "Skull and Bones", didn't scare me a bit. harun Jun 2012 #119
It should have JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2012 #136
The Brethren are a bifucated entity. MADem Jun 2012 #125
Your first paragraph seemed to describe Santorum JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2012 #137
How many people here would complain if there were? I seriously wonder that myself n/t clang1 Jun 2012 #126
If it were a Christian nation and an overtly Christian organization took control 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #115
BUT TOO MANY PROBABLY WOULD NOT clang1 Jun 2012 #121
Egypt to see first female, Coptic vice-presidents: Morsi team Scurrilous Jun 2012 #122
More good news clang1 Jun 2012 #123
That's quite a turnaround from Morsi's statement that the Coptic Christians should either totodeinhere Jun 2012 #131
He's been watching Mitt Romney's reels--no one flip-flops better~! nt MADem Jun 2012 #133
This we be a fight for awhile sandyshoes17 Jun 2012 #127
Congratulations to the Mohamed Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood, rule wisely and respect democracy. Uncle Joe Jun 2012 #140
All that we can say, and we need to support them and the clang1 Jun 2012 #141
Egyptian peace being sabotaged clang1 Jun 2012 #142
NO TRUTH HERE EXCEPT FOR THIS clang1 Jun 2012 #143
BBC is debunking, not endorsing the false Persian report. MADem Jun 2012 #144
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