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MADem

(135,425 posts)
86. I don't think she was whistle blowing.
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 11:31 PM
Jul 2016

Whistle blowing involves vetting the material one blows that whistle about. She didn't do that at ALL.

She just ripped off stuff wholesale and sent it to wikileaks, without a care for interpreters, civilian contract employees, and operatives named in the traffic.

She got an appropriate sentence. It's a shame her unhappiness caused her to act out in such a consequential way for her, but she's a cautionary tale.

When you join the military, you take an oath--and those orders are orders, they're not invitations and they sure as hell aren't suggestions. No one is drafted, it is their choice to serve--and if one makes the choice, one needs to take it seriously. This is pounded into recruits in boot camp and in advanced training, particularly to those in the intel-related fields.

She knew what she was doing was wrong, she knew her actions had extreme repercussions, particularly during wartime, yet she did it anyway--it's almost like she was knowingly committing suicide-by-cop, but in her case, it was suicide-by-UCMJ. JMO, of course, YMMV.

Poor Chelsea! Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #1
Manning deserves a pardon and a medal and a statue on the Washington Mall. Scuba Jul 2016 #3
...!100++++ 840high Jul 2016 #13
Scuba - I totally agree with you.... Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #37
+1000 LuvNewcastle Jul 2016 #78
I wish her well; but/and ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #2
Manning is not a nice person OKNancy Jul 2016 #4
Details? I'm not always a nice person either, Ilsa Jul 2016 #81
While I am grateful that I'm more aware of what we did because of the document dump NWCorona Jul 2016 #6
And I suspect that was the reason for the 35 year term. ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #7
She was hiding her true self when she joined the military. MADem Jul 2016 #21
Are we sure we can attribute it to her being trans? DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #83
We are not sure of anything, really. MADem Jul 2016 #84
Whistle blowing is an honorable tradition DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #85
I don't think she was whistle blowing. MADem Jul 2016 #86
She did read some of it and claimed to sickened by it Ash_F Jul 2016 #63
there was no evidence presented at her trial that anyone was harmed and yurbud Jul 2016 #90
The crime she was convicted of was not ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #91
her crime was against those with financial power not us yurbud Jul 2016 #92
Okay ... unresponsive; but, okay. 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #95
to the hypocrites:  The General Who Lost 2 Wars, Leaked Classified Information to His Lover— askeptic Jul 2016 #5
I know this will ring hollow, as most of reality does ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #9
True. forest444 Jul 2016 #12
Yes ... The way the world actually works can be reprehensible at times. 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #24
He provided his biographer--a LCOL in the Army--with material to which she MADem Jul 2016 #22
Comey said the materials were in his desk at home, BTW. nt Ilsa Jul 2016 #82
More evidence that we have a class of people virtually above the law! Dustlawyer Jul 2016 #76
35 years is ridiculous alcibiades_mystery Jul 2016 #8
No. It isn't/wasn't. 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #10
Explain yourself - this is a discussion board. askeptic Jul 2016 #11
Tone matters, you know. Demands are unlikely to produce civil conversation. MADem Jul 2016 #16
What does that mean? christx30 Jul 2016 #25
The sentence was imposed. That means it is supported. MADem Jul 2016 #26
^^^ This, right here MohRokTah Jul 2016 #40
She did not do "the right thing" metalbot Jul 2016 #79
It is a harsh sentence. Is it unmerited? I'm of two minds on this. nt msanthrope Jul 2016 #18
Counterpoint: Yes it is Ash_F Jul 2016 #65
Yes it is. 840high Jul 2016 #14
Military Times is calling it a suicide attempt. MADem Jul 2016 #15
That is extremely sad. I do remember the restrictions imposed in the Quantico msanthrope Jul 2016 #19
Leavenworth is accustomed to hospitalizing individuals if needs must. MADem Jul 2016 #20
My understanding is that she is currently involved in attempting msanthrope Jul 2016 #27
Not sure what the protocol is, but she is receiving the hormones, from what I understand. MADem Jul 2016 #36
Remember the complaints about that? jberryhill Jul 2016 #61
Yes....I remember the complaints about her not having a pillow. nt msanthrope Jul 2016 #80
The Network that Must Not be Named B2G Jul 2016 #17
They all have it--print and video outlets. nt MADem Jul 2016 #29
And yet General Petraeus is a free man, even though he gave classified documents Rex Jul 2016 #23
His mistress had clearance (though she wasn't on the access list). MADem Jul 2016 #28
But they could have released secrets to the world, that is the point. Rex Jul 2016 #31
They were both career military, engaged in a clandestine relationship. MADem Jul 2016 #34
They kept and passed along classified information that they had no business having. Rex Jul 2016 #38
That is simply not true. eom MohRokTah Jul 2016 #41
Wrong. Rex Jul 2016 #42
I'm sorry, but you are just plain wrong. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #43
So that is a no, who cares what harm he might have done? Rex Jul 2016 #44
The actions were full adjudicated. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #45
Right you buy that I don't. He is a traitor to his country, proven in court. Rex Jul 2016 #46
Again, you put forth an opinion unsupported by both the facts... MohRokTah Jul 2016 #48
Wrong the court proved he was a traitor, make up whatever you want to. Rex Jul 2016 #50
There was no finding of treason MohRokTah Jul 2016 #51
See post #23. Rex Jul 2016 #52
See post #51. eom MohRokTah Jul 2016 #54
See post #23. Rex Jul 2016 #55
See post #51 MohRokTah Jul 2016 #56
Glad you agree with me now. Rex Jul 2016 #57
Post #51 stands completely in opposition to your invalid opinion. eom MohRokTah Jul 2016 #58
See post #23. Rex Jul 2016 #59
Buh bye. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #60
Right. Rex Jul 2016 #62
I read all your replies uhnope Jul 2016 #89
This message was self-deleted by its author Rex Jul 2016 #93
No, they did not. That book she wrote was scrubbed before it was published. MADem Jul 2016 #49
Exactly see post #23, glad people get it now. Rex Jul 2016 #53
The only thing Petraeus and Manning have in common is as follows. MADem Jul 2016 #69
Oh right all two of you. Rex Jul 2016 #71
Its ok to be careless with classified info if you are a general or running for president. Travis_0004 Jul 2016 #32
How do we know what he and his mistress released into the world? We have their word for it? Rex Jul 2016 #33
Chelsea Manning cut off from lawyers amid hospitalization rumors Eugene Jul 2016 #30
If the prison didn't allow access to Manning, I would suggest the reason for that was MEDICAL. MADem Jul 2016 #35
Good On you 4Q2u2 Jul 2016 #75
Developing: Convicted Spy Chelsea Manning Taken to Hospital MohRokTah Jul 2016 #39
WikiLeaks: Texas Company Helped Pimp Little Boys To Stoned Afghan Cops Ash_F Jul 2016 #66
... Chelsea Manning was taken to a hospital near Fort Leavenworth early Tuesday and returned struggle4progress Jul 2016 #47
Reading this thread G_j Jul 2016 #64
Agreed. nt LostOne4Ever Jul 2016 #68
Must be nice to be government C-level employees, get all kinds of benefits. Rex Jul 2016 #72
And it's a clear message that the war on whistleblowers will get worse under the next president. nt bananas Jul 2016 #73
With all the Liberals gone to Greener pastures -- Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2016 #88
Just release her already. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #67
She had a legal alternative hack89 Jul 2016 #74
This message was self-deleted by its author NobodyHere Jul 2016 #70
Suicide attempt or not, the timing is interesting. merrily Jul 2016 #77
Why is the timing interesting? NobodyHere Jul 2016 #87
I hate it when people try to prop Manning up as some sort of hero. NaturalHigh Jul 2016 #94
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