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Furbug

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73. Very Discouraging!
Wed May 11, 2016, 02:23 PM
May 2016

The vitriol directed at Hillary Clinton from some Bernie Sanders supporters is very discouraging to me, and I fear that in a Clinton-versus-Trump campaign, it might result in a Trump victory. Is that really what Democrats would prefer?! I'm not suggesting that Hillary's critics muzzle themselves; only that they stick to facts, not invective and exaggerations of her positions, or insults directed at those who support her over Bernie. It's all well and good to never budge because you feel that you occupy the high moral ground, as Bernie does, but little if anything is accomplished that way in a representative democracy. You have to be able to reach compromises with those who strongly disagree with you, and the Republican race for the nomination shows that there are many of them out there. Consequently, the resulting progress almost always is incremental, rather than transformative.

The Clintons--and she played a major role--attempted, clumsily and unsuccessfully, to advance a single-payer health care solution more than 20 years ago, so to charge her with "suddenly" changing her position is inaccurate. Similarly, analyses of her actual voting in the Senate have shown no basis for accusations of her of being in the pocket of "Wall Street".

So let's get realistic. Bernie is not going to get the nomination, but he can influence the party platform, and he's already doing it. Hillary has demonstrated long-standing support for most of the ideals that Bernie has expressed, and, as President, I believe that she would work toward achieving such success as is possible, given that she may well have to deal with a Republican House and perhaps a Republican Senate, too. She would accomplish a lot more if, after the convention at least, Democrats would enthusiastically support her and the down-ballot races so that she'd have Congress behind her, instead of opposing her, as they've opposed President Obama for the last six years.

So, please, let's not remain so focused on the "perfect" that we are unable to achieve the "good".

Post removed Post removed May 2016 #1
Don't care what her reasoning, but Public Option is fastest way to single payer, at this point. Hoyt May 2016 #2
What a joke she is pangaia May 2016 #3
Damned if she does and damned if she doesn't. Chicago1980 May 2016 #17
She should of evolved on this when it was Hillarycare Omaha Steve May 2016 #21
Well, we HAVE seen her spin like a pinwheel on just about every issue. Maedhros May 2016 #25
so that people can buy into Medicare at a certain age erlewyne May 2016 #52
Quit the 'you people' shit. pangaia May 2016 #48
Like I said.... Chicago1980 May 2016 #50
and that's all you got... Javaman May 2016 #54
There should be an intelligence test for voting.. pangaia May 2016 #55
Listen up, you prick. RiverNoord May 2016 #70
Oh no. Duckfan May 2016 #4
Hasn't the Public Option Always Been Part of Her Proposals? TomCADem May 2016 #9
goggle It will never ever happen (said this year) Omaha Steve May 2016 #23
didn't answer his question. apnu May 2016 #71
Radical, lol. nt thereismore May 2016 #78
You can laugh but to most Americans it is radical. apnu May 2016 #80
The public option is not the medicare buy-in after age 50 JonLeibowitz May 2016 #5
There are a number of possible public options. This is one of them. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #7
"I support a Medicare buy-in for those over 59" --JonLeibowitz JonLeibowitz May 2016 #8
I Think Bernie Sanders and Sherrod Brown Were Very Rational TomCADem May 2016 #13
I support the public option as envisioned 6-8 years ago which Brown and Sanders supported JonLeibowitz May 2016 #14
What we DO need- To protect the RIGHT TO HAVE PUBLIC SERVICES-like healthcare Urgently needed- Baobab May 2016 #83
Good. We can convert the whole system to Medicare, one age group at a time. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #6
wets thumb, holds it up in the air, for but a day tomm2thumbs May 2016 #10
She said that just to get that headline, and then immediately backed off. She reversed. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #11
She was so close... GummyBearz May 2016 #69
It's funny. So many justify Bernie's continued presence in the race by saying he needed to push her pnwmom May 2016 #12
+1 Chicago1980 May 2016 #18
What's funny is you implying that a move to the left is "progress." truebluegreen May 2016 #32
Yes. She moved. And she moved to the left. So that's progress. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #33
I Would Be Satisfied if I Could Trust Her McKim May 2016 #57
Key phrasing here is "buy in" Geronimoe May 2016 #15
It could be handled as it is with the ACA marketplace -- if there was the Congressional support. pnwmom May 2016 #27
Medicare is not being run by the government zalinda May 2016 #65
That is so believable. Skwmom May 2016 #16
If I had a dollar for every flip flop, I could Doctor_J May 2016 #19
Only because she was cornered by a voter AgingAmerican May 2016 #20
Hard to take a candidate seriously, when they've been on literally every side of an issue... AzDar May 2016 #22
A step? Or a jump to the left? AgerolanAmerican May 2016 #24
Bravo DebbieCDC May 2016 #26
LOLOL, huge thums up!!! AntiBank May 2016 #47
So glad I'm not the only one Liz_Estrada May 2016 #61
I think it depends on what the meaning of "is", is tularetom May 2016 #28
Thanks. Now I have "Let's Do the Time Warp Again" as an earworm... n/t TygrBright May 2016 #29
Four Sticks by the mighty Zeppelin! Glamrock May 2016 #43
Actually, the "no-fail" earworm dismissal technique I use... TygrBright May 2016 #44
That's freaking great! Glamrock May 2016 #45
You're a genius. beerandjesus May 2016 #67
Funny, the "public option" is not and never was truebluegreen May 2016 #30
This article from 2009 shows that an age-related Medicare buy-in has been discussed pnwmom May 2016 #34
UUUMMMM Omaha Steve May 2016 #36
Ummm . . . Bernie has a completely different single payer plan. nt pnwmom May 2016 #37
So Hillarycare from 1993 SUDDENLY changes and that is your retort? Omaha Steve May 2016 #38
1993 was 23 years ago. Doesn't seem sudden to me. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #39
Today after 23 years is sudden in my book Omaha Steve May 2016 #40
From your own quote: truebluegreen May 2016 #42
Seems she has backed off of this story already Omaha Steve May 2016 #72
And Hillarians wonder why we are unappreciative truebluegreen May 2016 #77
Oh, bullshit. The only thing that takes a step left is her rhetoric. If she becomes Gene Debs May 2016 #31
She should campaign hard for single payer, then we might GET the Public Option. yodermon May 2016 #35
Ughh. The time to get the Public Option or a Medicare Buy In was when the Democrats had a majority andym May 2016 #41
Don't panic; Hillary's fake leftward won't last past July. Vote2016 May 2016 #46
Medicare has to be fixed. There is no eye care and there is no dental care ... FIX IT. YOHABLO May 2016 #49
"... buy into Medicare at a certain age" area51 May 2016 #51
Medicare needs FlaGranny May 2016 #63
[cough] bullshit EdwardBernays May 2016 #53
And as always: she only takes it after all other steps have been tried and tested first Betty Karlson May 2016 #56
"Step to the Left...Step to the Right, drag your parnter all Around...!" Katashi_itto May 2016 #58
Oh, I believe her now! Kip Humphrey May 2016 #59
typical Hill and friends...she "says" something left of her previously stated position(s)... islandmkl May 2016 #60
projected cost: $600/month back in 2009 jman0war May 2016 #62
Why bother? Nobody believes her. fbc May 2016 #64
K&R. Glad to hear it. Overseas May 2016 #66
Colorado and Alberta Canada turbinetree May 2016 #68
Very Discouraging! Furbug May 2016 #73
This message was self-deleted by its author NRaleighLiberal May 2016 #74
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service eggplant May 2016 #75
Jury Decision Furbug May 2016 #79
Very Encouraging! Furbug May 2016 #76
Clinton's positions continue to evolve left-of-center2012 May 2016 #81
Why would I have to buy in to something I have already paid for? Agony May 2016 #82
“Bernie Sanders’s campaign is having an effect on Hillary Clinton’s policies,” sendero May 2016 #84
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