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15. Why this tablet should be returned.
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 11:41 AM
Jun 2012

Hi all! I'm an Assyriologist in training and just saw this and thought I'd put my two cents in. This tablet was excavated in 1913 by the German Oriental Society with official permission from the Ottoman Empire at the time from the site of Kar Tukulti Ninurta, just north of the ancient Assyrian capital, Ashshur (pronounced ahsh-shur). Tukulti Ninurta was a king right at the end of the Bronze Age who defeated the formerly great Hittite empire and was subsequently killed by his sons in a coup plot. This tablet was a dedication inscription to the high god Ashshur, whose cult Tukulti Ninurta transferred from the ancient capital to his new city. So it is historically a very important text.

Going back to the agreement, foreign excavators had the right to take back a certain amount of the find as "partage" with the rest going to the Archaeology Museum that's now in modern day Istanbul. As WWI broke out, this tablet didn't make it's way to the Vorderasiatisches Museum until 1926; at which time the Ottoman Empire no longer existed, but the Mandate government recognized the legally binding agreement from 1913. This is the norm in international antiquity's law; to recognize any legal agreements made at the time of excavation of the artifact as legally standing. So, since the Turkish government is the successor to the Ottoman government, if it were to be returned, it would go to Istanbul.

However, the Ushak scandal created a lot of mistrust towards Turkish museum practices. This scandal was where the Turkish Government sued the New York Met to return the treasure of the Lydian king Croesus, who was famously wealthy. The Met lost and the treasure was returned to Turkey; however, sometime in the 2000's, the director of the museum replaced some of these priceless artifacts with fakes and sold the real ones on the blackmarket. The scandal broke in 2006 and since that time courts and museums have often refused to loan or return items to Turkey.

Now, as for this item going to Iraq; that would be even more problematic. Iraq is still a very unstable country, and recall as I said, that this tablet was legally excavated and exported. There was no theft here; although it may seem that way from a certain jaundiced perspective, legal contracts are legal contracts.

Mention was made of returning it to the people to whom it belonged. Interestingly enough, this would not be the people of Iraq as a whole, but the modern Assyrians. They still exist as a minority in Northern Iraq/de facto Kurdistan now; however, since the war *cough thanks a lot Bush cough* they and other Christian minorities in the country have been severely persecuted even though Kurdistan has been relatively more peaceful for Christians than Baghdad or elsewhere in Iraq, and when the Iraq Museum in Baghdad was looted, the looters almost wholly focused on the pre-Islamic antiquities. So there is no guarantee if it is returned to Iraq or the Kurdish regional government, it would be protected. Interestingly enough, there is a large Assyrian diaspora population in Michigan and California.

So, now to the specific situation as to how it got into Flamenbaum's possession. Legally, I understand that the courts of New York first found the Vorderasiatisches Museum's claim to it had lapsed due to the law of laches, in that they hadn't published post-WWII that it had been stolen. I think we can all agree that the situation in Berlin post-WWII, with the city occupied by Russia then split between the allies was sheer chaos at best. Some may be swayed by the fact that Mr. Flamenbaum was a Holocaust survivor; however, in the original ruling and in this one, that was not found to be relevant legally in any sense; and in my own way, I have to agree with that. I think the media shouldn't have put the issue of him being a Holocaust survivor in the headline, as that was not what the Museum was disputing. The dispute was that this tablet was looted from Berlin sometime in 1945-6 and thus rightfully belongs to the Museum under their agreement of partage, see above. Mr. Flamenbaum or his descendants aren't being accused of theft but merely possessing property that under current international antiquities law, the 1970 UNESCO Convention, belongs to the museum. The relevant wording is "property stolen from a museum or a religious or secular public monument or similar institutions provided that such property is documented as appertaining to the inventory of that institution," should be repatriated and that is definitely the case here.

These are just my thoughts and some of the background information on this story that I think is relevant to understanding this specific case.

Figures, the family is unhappy Confusious Jun 2012 #1
But shouldn't it actually go back to Iraq? The Germans, after all, took what 1monster Jun 2012 #5
I agree: it belongs in Iraq from where it was origionaly looted .... I mean 'collected'. marble falls Jun 2012 #11
Now see reply #15 below. dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #22
"it was all he had left" ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #13
Seems to me, if that were so, Confusious Jun 2012 #24
how do you know what his choices were? ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #27
Well, Confusious Jun 2012 #28
it seems to me ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #30
How he got it doesn't matter Confusious Jun 2012 #32
I don't presume ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #33
There are a lot of things I wouldn't presume either Confusious Jun 2012 #34
including ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #41
Nothing that has happened to you Ken Burch Jun 2012 #80
You seem to want to blame entire countries Confusious Jun 2012 #83
If you took something that had once been in a U.S. military museum Ken Burch Jun 2012 #86
The museum should have left it at a polite respect for the artifact's return Ken Burch Jun 2012 #54
Your argument about the "humanity" is bull Confusious Jun 2012 #64
If Germany is pay MORE reparations. it shouldn't pay them just to Israel Ken Burch Jun 2012 #67
The reason the museum found out is because Confusious Jun 2012 #69
It goes without saying that when the family called Ken Burch Jun 2012 #79
If you look it up on the web Confusious Jun 2012 #81
So it was the Russian soldier that was the thief...NOT Mr. Flamenbaum. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #85
As I said before Confusious Jun 2012 #87
I hope when they return the tablet Ken Burch Jun 2012 #2
Why? Confusious Jun 2012 #35
Why are you so seemingly pissed off at the holocaust survivors? Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #38
You completely missread everything Confusious Jun 2012 #39
I think your indignancy is overblown, and missplaced. Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #40
Just out of curiousity Confusious Jun 2012 #44
Yes. Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #45
You said below that they should keep it Confusious Jun 2012 #47
I'm not claiming to be Walt Whitman, but I reserve the right to contradict myself from time to time. Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #50
Yea, and I noticed you didn't quote the part Confusious Jun 2012 #65
So is saying, as that poster was saying that "it's property theft and that's all that matters". Ken Burch Jun 2012 #53
I'm just not feeling the outrage. Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #57
There's a difference between stealing from the oppressed Ken Burch Jun 2012 #52
There was no oppresser in this Confusious Jun 2012 #66
And if they'd asked the Flamenbaums politely and respecfully, with an acknowledgment Ken Burch Jun 2012 #68
They did. The family didn't want to give it up Confusious Jun 2012 #70
I thought "cultural patrimony" was essentially what YOU were talking about. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #71
There wasn't. The museum owns the piece. Confusious Jun 2012 #72
The bad behavior was the Ottomans stealing the damn thing from the Assyrians in the first place. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #73
Like I said, being informed isn't your forte is it? Confusious Jun 2012 #75
In any case, the Ottomans themselves just stole the damn thing. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #76
Can't really steal something that's in your own territory Confusious Jun 2012 #78
The point stands, though Ken Burch Jun 2012 #82
So nobody ever owns anything Confusious Jun 2012 #84
I'll try this again so you understand. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #88
It's scary that you don't see the difference Ken Burch Jun 2012 #42
What I see Confusious Jun 2012 #43
If it's about returning it to the rightful owners Ken Burch Jun 2012 #46
If you had read below Confusious Jun 2012 #48
The OTTOMAN EMPIRE? Ken Burch Jun 2012 #51
No, it seems you are Confusious Jun 2012 #63
"my family was put into camps, starved & murdered... and all I got was this lousy gold tablet" Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #3
theft is theft dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #4
According to the article, the artifact was found in Iraq. Wasn't it stealing for the Germans 1monster Jun 2012 #6
That could be said dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #7
the Assyrians? ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #14
I agree. It should be returned to Assyria immediately. Canuckistanian Jun 2012 #19
How did the museum come to know that this guy had it? Wabbajack_ Jun 2012 #8
How they knew is immaterial. What is material is if the item was stolen from the museam then it cstanleytech Jun 2012 #9
Why wasn't it their business? marble falls Jun 2012 #12
Cause it's not Wabbajack_ Jun 2012 #89
situational ethics? marble falls Jun 2012 #91
So what are you hiding in your closet snooper2 Jun 2012 #16
The family wanted a price check and called the museum. Confusious Jun 2012 #49
So, all the talk about "sentiment" and "surviving" was just about money? boppers Jun 2012 #56
If I were the family, I'd pull a PR stunt that would probably get them in the good graces of zbdent Jun 2012 #10
There was no iraq at the time it was discovered Confusious Jun 2012 #37
Property uber alles. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #55
What a blowhard! MjolnirTime Jun 2012 #59
Why this tablet should be returned. Assyriologisticks Jun 2012 #15
Thanks for enlightening us.. virgdem Jun 2012 #17
Wow...excellent background info. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2012 #18
Thanks for the very informative post and welcome to DU.... xocet Jun 2012 #20
Much appreciated. dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #21
Welcome to DU lunatica Jun 2012 #23
Thanks but I see a hink in the court ruling azurnoir Jun 2012 #26
Actual Opinion happyslug Jun 2012 #92
Why does the first world get to decide who is stable enough to return mational treasures or have ... marble falls Jun 2012 #29
The problem is Confusious Jun 2012 #36
This was an INHERITANCE case, the court had to decide who gets the tablet happyslug Jun 2012 #95
great info! frylock Jun 2012 #31
Very well put, thank you for such a well written post! now for my 2 cents in response to subject. AmericanGI Jun 2012 #58
uh oh, looks like we have another Nazi appeaser in the house! MjolnirTime Jun 2012 #60
You win the thread! Welcome to DU. freshwest Jun 2012 #62
Beautiful first post! Xipe Totec Jun 2012 #77
I agree that the issue of his being a Holocaust survivor is irrelevant to the case. Prometheus Bound Jun 2012 #90
See my post below for the actual opinion of the Court happyslug Jun 2012 #94
Interesting case will be awaiting the final outcome azurnoir Jun 2012 #25
Why wouldn't they have to return it? It never belonged to them. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #61
It never truly belonged to the Germans or the Ottomans, either. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #74
So do you want the Daughter or the Son to get the tablet???? happyslug Jun 2012 #93
I don't care which of them gets it. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #96
Under US Law, theft NEVER gives good title happyslug Jun 2012 #98
They should probably just cut it into three pieces. bluedigger Jun 2012 #97
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