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101. Not at all. I said "they" referring to specific posters in this thread.

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Mon Apr 13, 2015, 06:16 PM

Apr 2015

And where does desperation enter in to this?

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Russia lifts ban on S-300 missile system delivery to Iran [View all] Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 OP

This is a deliberate attempt to scuttle the peace deal by handing critics here in the US something stevenleser Apr 2015 #1

Exactly iandhr Apr 2015 #2

Vlad needs some TLC from one of the rebellious Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #5

Do you guys advocate for war here? rainmaker21 Apr 2015 #58

No, but some internal dissent to take Vlad off his bare-backed high horse, sure, why not? Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #59

And what of people who will die due to the violence that may follow? rainmaker21 Apr 2015 #79

Collateral damage? Talk to Vlad about collateral damage Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #80

You do realize the Chechnya insurgents killed 380 people at Beslan I hope. rainmaker21 Apr 2015 #85

You do realize that Vlad and Cie have their jack boot on the throat of Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #88

So you want Chechnyan terrorists to reign him in? rainmaker21 Apr 2015 #99

Once again: Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #103

It is acknowledgment that Republicans and Mullahs do not hold all the cards and Iran has abided by the interim Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #6

My understanding is that the S-300 system is defensive TexasProgresive Apr 2015 #3

The question is why would Putin do this and why specifically NOW. And there is only one reason stevenleser Apr 2015 #4

Delivery of the S-300s was cancelled in 2010 after the UN imposed sanctions on Iran over its nuclear TexasProgresive Apr 2015 #7

You're repeating stuff that everyone knows. The question is why Putin would do this NOW. stevenleser Apr 2015 #11

Yes, sanctions are to be lifted after Iran gets down to 6,000 centrifuges and an agreed upon okaawhatever Apr 2015 #90

The deal hasn't been agreed to yet. Calista241 Apr 2015 #104

either that or a signal that the consequences to walking away from a deal with Iran geek tragedy Apr 2015 #9

I don't think the US counts on Russia to uphold any agreements at this point. Russia has already stevenleser Apr 2015 #21

Defensive capabilities against Bibi and the Bombers is logical, as is lifting sanctions now. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #8

It's logical three months from now after the peace agreement is complete. Now, its transparently a stevenleser Apr 2015 #14

I think you have it backwards, it is a signal that Russia, a negotiator, agrees that Iran sanctions should be Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #19

No, I don't. And it's obvious what this is about. nt stevenleser Apr 2015 #22

What's obvious is whose hair is on fire. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #36

No. What you just wrote makes sense once the deal is done in two months. Not now. stevenleser Apr 2015 #49

Correct. The logic train of "Russia, a negotiater in the deal, suddenly killing the deal" is a wreck. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #105

Why would France & Germany follow suit? They're honest negotiators, unlike Putin. They will stick okaawhatever Apr 2015 #92

Why should they be lifted now. What incentive would Iran have to sign the deal? Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2015 #38

Was it absolutely imperative to get this arms deal back on track Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #10

Exactly. All it would have taken was to wait 3 months. Amazing how some are desperately trying stevenleser Apr 2015 #12

Economics may be a factor TexasProgresive Apr 2015 #13

There is a simple answer. You seem to be throwing everything at this to try to obscure it. stevenleser Apr 2015 #15

OK- make your case that it is only Putie-poot TexasProgresive Apr 2015 #20

The timing makes my case. It's the only thing that makes sense. In two months this is a non-issue. stevenleser Apr 2015 #24

You ain't got nothing but your opinion and that's OK TexasProgresive Apr 2015 #37

Nope, I've got much more than that. I've got a theory that accounts for all the facts stevenleser Apr 2015 #45

So you say, you win, I'm out of this thread. TexasProgresive Apr 2015 #48

Leser is absolutely right. Why, he told us so himself. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #50

I provided you the reasons. If you don't want to accept them, that's up to you. The facts are with stevenleser Apr 2015 #52

You have an opinion. Talk trash all you want, that's all it is. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #57

I'm confident that reasonable people see I am right. nt stevenleser Apr 2015 #64

I was wrong- I'm baaaakkkk! for one more TexasProgresive Apr 2015 #70

That's because you have your fingers firmly planted in your ears and are shouting jeff47 Apr 2015 #86

No one has provided a reason why Russia would do this now and not two months from now. stevenleser Apr 2015 #94

Actually, several people have. They even provided the same one. jeff47 Apr 2015 #96

No, they haven't. Any response works the same two months from now except what I suggest. nt stevenleser Apr 2015 #97

No, because two months from now there's an explicit ban on military goods. jeff47 Apr 2015 #98

No, no-one has provided *your* reasoning. You may not recognize it but you are newthinking Apr 2015 #102

Strange ripcord Apr 2015 #74

One of many, many inconvenient facts those wanting to believe something other than the truth here stevenleser Apr 2015 #95

Russia needs money. Iran needs missile defenses. bemildred Apr 2015 #16

+(the cost of an S-300 missile system) jeff47 Apr 2015 #23

Oh the critics in the USA are going to have a lot to say about it. The question is will it be stevenleser Apr 2015 #26

You know what I meant. bemildred Apr 2015 #30

It is another brilliant move by Putin cosmicone Apr 2015 #34

I wouldn't say brilliant. I would say transparent and anti-peace. And your military analysis is stevenleser Apr 2015 #51

It actually does the opposite of what you speculate. cosmicone Apr 2015 #63

No, it doesn't, and the proof with links is downthread. Opponents of the peace deal are all over stevenleser Apr 2015 #65

This is right on Abouttime Apr 2015 #106

Would Russia have made this move safeinOhio Apr 2015 #17

Good question. nt bemildred Apr 2015 #18

Probably not. This move by Putin is aimed at them and senators who might be persuade-able stevenleser Apr 2015 #29

"Vlad" is getting desperate for money. jeff47 Apr 2015 #25

And he could have the money in two months without threatening the deal. stevenleser Apr 2015 #27

Only if "the deal" doesn't block the sale of these missiles. jeff47 Apr 2015 #28

Putin cares nothing for international agreements. If he did, Ukraine would be intact stevenleser Apr 2015 #31

So in your world, we would scuttle a deal with Iran because we're not happy with Russia? jeff47 Apr 2015 #32

Nope, thats not what I said. Not even close. nt stevenleser Apr 2015 #33

:eyes: jeff47 Apr 2015 #35

I'm sorry you are meeting with such craziness. Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2015 #42

I expect it where Putin/Russia is concerned. Some folks here are heavily invested in the idea stevenleser Apr 2015 #47

Right, everybody else is obsessed with Putin, but not you. bemildred Apr 2015 #56

Because he has the courtesy to reply to peoples questions/statements he's obsessed? Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2015 #60

Just think about it. Folks who claim to be anti-war, are cheering missile sales. stevenleser Apr 2015 #62

Putin is an asshole. That is not news. bemildred Apr 2015 #66

They are obsessed too, the one does not prevent the other? bemildred Apr 2015 #68

Clever straw man. Again, not what I said. I never said others were or were not obsessed with Putin. stevenleser Apr 2015 #61

Please see post #66. bemildred Apr 2015 #67

Crazy is believing that Russia resorting to arms dealing jeff47 Apr 2015 #87

He's not a hero to me. Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2015 #89

Yet you are claiming he is a hero to anyone who disagrees with you. jeff47 Apr 2015 #91

Not at all. I said "they" referring to specific posters in this thread. Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2015 #101

Israel: Russian missile sale 'direct result' of nuclear deal bemildred Apr 2015 #39

Well, THAT didn't take long... Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #40

Well it is correct as far as it goes, that's the thing. bemildred Apr 2015 #41

Yes, bring Iran in from the cold. But, before that can happen, Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #43

Right, the future is uncertain. nt bemildred Apr 2015 #44

Which is exactly what I said would be the result and that is Putin's intent. This is just the stevenleser Apr 2015 #53

A curse that many Russians just love 'cause he's Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #54

Have you seen this, steven? Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #69

Part of the Executive branch - it's the rogue Rep legislators that want to kill the deal. Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2015 #73

Yes, and Vlad looks determined to give them their wish list. Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #75

Yep, Everyone who doesn't want this deal finalized will pounce on this news. stevenleser Apr 2015 #77

24 responses to this... MattSh Apr 2015 #84

Well, if you didn't want posts by me, engaging me and asking me for a response is a curious way stevenleser Apr 2015 #93

What? They've been trying to kill it since day 1. Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2015 #71

I am glad to see that we can agree. nt bemildred Apr 2015 #72

Do you side with Russia/Israel or the United States? Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2015 #76

Please try to reformulate that into a coherent question and I'll try to answer. bemildred Apr 2015 #78

That's OK. This thread is dead to me. Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2015 #81

Cheerio. bemildred Apr 2015 #82

Pip, pip! Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2015 #83

Pentagon opposes Russian move to sell missiles to Iran Bosonic Apr 2015 #46

Thanks for adding this to the mix, Bosonic. Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #55

Right. It's only US weapons sales that are "helpful." Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #100