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pampango

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28. Interesting that you consider the far-right candidate the most "anti-capitalist" candidate
Mon Apr 23, 2012, 06:33 AM
Apr 2012

"in her own twisted way".

You apparently consider the EU to be a "neoliberal, anti-sovereignty project". I'm sure Ms. Le Pen agrees with you (as do many other far-right politicians on the continent), but not liberals in France. The anti-EU (and anti-Schengen) movement is a right-wing phenomenon stoked by nationalists who play on the fears that many people have of "others".

Are you saying that in order to defeat the "foul, fascist, "national-conservative" radicalism" represented by the National Front, the French left should become more like them by adopting some of their policies? Kind of become a "National Front-lite"? My guess is that this notion has occurred to French liberals but they have apparently rejected it. I conclude from this that liberals there are too committed to an open society and the "neoliberal, anti-sovereignty project" (code for the EU, I assume) to sacrifice them on the altar of "adopting whatever policies will get us elected" politics.

"Marine Le Pen has a clear lead among workers, with 30% of their votes went to him. Follow Francois Hollande to 27%, 18% to Nicolas Sarkozy, Jean-Luc Melenchon to 12% and 8% Francois Bayrou."

I congratulate Ms. Le Pen for her success in scaring 30% of workers (thus "winning" the worker vote by 3%) with her anti-immigrant (particularly Muslims), anti-EU scare tactics. ("Our problems are caused by "others". If we just get rid of them, we will be fine.&quot

Our republicans have had similar success winning workers' votes with fear-based, "us vs them" campaigning. I wouldn't be surprised if tea party candidates didn't get more than 30% of the worker vote in 2010. That doesn't mean that Democrats should adopt more "tea party-lite" policies in order to keep them out of power.

"... that use the euro to maintain a coveted AAA credit rating" DJ13 Apr 2012 #1
In a rational world tama Apr 2012 #2
Is it just me or does the move to "austerity" mean "sacrifice by the lower classes?" KansDem Apr 2012 #3
'How much is the "ruling class" sacrificing for "austerity?"' 0 they are benefitting from it. Vincardog Apr 2012 #5
In the USA, the top one percent has never seen such increased gains. truedelphi Apr 2012 #7
A trully well stated post FreakinDJ Apr 2012 #9
The collapse of the Euro and the EU would be a good thing for Europeans. David__77 Apr 2012 #4
Ironically the French National Front would agree with you, while their Socialist Party pampango Apr 2012 #13
The Left Front disagrees with the Socialists. David__77 Apr 2012 #15
I haven't seen any polls that show the "working class in France would vote for the National Front pampango Apr 2012 #17
Of course the polls said this, as have the results David__77 Apr 2012 #24
Interesting that you consider the far-right candidate the most "anti-capitalist" candidate pampango Apr 2012 #28
Europeans reject the neoliberal model. David__77 Apr 2012 #29
I would agree that the EU has been a liberal project and that it involves pampango Apr 2012 #30
No... David__77 Apr 2012 #31
The Dutch are loyal members of the Reich. LetTimmySmoke Apr 2012 #6
The Dutch would not appreciate that comment. dipsydoodle Apr 2012 #8
Thanks for your post Bigmack Apr 2012 #14
One of my closest friends is Dutch also. She is wonderfully kind. glinda Apr 2012 #21
Sad to end up in a position where the racist Freedom Party seems to be making sense muriel_volestrangler Apr 2012 #10
Very Informative DallasNE Apr 2012 #20
They are following our lead got root Apr 2012 #22
The EU is looking more and more like a tool of Corporatist oppression and control. Odin2005 Apr 2012 #11
wish I was a banker... dtom67 Apr 2012 #12
This Dutch government is a right-wing nightmare frazzled Apr 2012 #16
The Netherlands will have an election soon as a result of this. Might the right-wing nightmare pampango Apr 2012 #19
Our extreme right libertarian government in Canada is doing exactly the same thing. arikara Apr 2012 #25
Targets for the budget deficit, laid down by the European Union, were missed? fasttense Apr 2012 #18
It seems as if 911 was some kind of cue to the corporate facists to got root Apr 2012 #23
Sort of like it was planned arikara Apr 2012 #26
This fellow is a right wing jerk DonCoquixote Apr 2012 #27
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