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merrily

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108. Yes and no. The law was in place since 1950 (actually much, much earlier, but we are now working
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 11:20 PM
Mar 2015

off the 1950 statute, as amended). That would be the Federal Records Act.

The Federal Records Act statute covers federal "records," regardless of the form in which the "records" are embodied. That is the main concept. However, the statute also gives some specific examples, such as books, maps, etc. These are only examples, though. The main concept is bolded below.

As used in this chapter, “records” includes all books, papers, maps, photographs, machine readable materials, or other documentary materials, regardless of physical form or characteristics, made or received by an agency of the United States Government under Federal law or in connection with the transaction of public business and preserved or appropriate for preservation by that agency or its legitimate successor as evidence of the organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, operations, or other activities of the Government or because of the informational value of data in them. Library and museum material made or acquired and preserved solely for reference or exhibition purposes, extra copies of documents preserved only for convenience of reference, and stocks of publications and of processed documents are not included.


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/44/3301

In 1976, an additional example was added, namely machine readable materials (that term is in the section quoted above.) That certainly covers emails. However, even without that additional example, the language of the statute that is bolded above would cover emails.

Other provisions of the statute specify that federal records are to be preserved, etc.

This act is within the province of the National Archives.

In 2014, a group of amendments was passed to specify that emails were federal records. However, that does not mean that emails were not covered by the above bolded language anyway. The amendments also made other changes to the 1950 law. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_and_Federal_Records_Act_Amendments_of_2014

However, one cannot simply say that those amendments passed in 2014, so Hillary had no responsibilities at all with respect to her emails. She had all the responsibilities the Act contained at the time she was Secretary. To know exactly what those responsibilities were, you have to go back and read the Act as it existed while she was in office.

Or, you could just take the world of Jason R. Baron, now of the law firm Drinker Biddle, est. in 1849, which now employs over 600 attorneys. More on Drinkeer Biddle: http://www.drinkerbiddle.com/about-us Baron is the one who said Hillary violated the Federal Records Act.

Here are just the first bits of his cv.

Jason R. Baron is a member of Drinker Biddle’s Information Governance and eDiscovery practice.

An internationally recognized speaker and author on the preservation of electronic documents, Jason previously served as Director of Litigation for the U.S. National Archives and Records Administration and as trial lawyer and senior counsel at the Department of Justice. In those roles, Jason helped drive the government’s adoption of electronic recordkeeping practices and defended the government’s interests in complex federal court litigation.

As NARA’s Director of Litigation, Jason led NARA’s efforts to provide responsive White House email and other records in the massive U.S. v. Philip Morris RICO lawsuit, and assisted in the defense of lawsuits filed against the Archivist of the United States under the Freedom of Information Act, the Federal Records Act, and the Presidential Records Act in a wide variety of high-profile cases. As a trial lawyer and senior counsel for the DOJ, he appeared as counsel of record in landmark cases involving the preservation of White House email, statistical adjustment of the U.S. census, and early attempts to regulate the Internet.

Thought Leadership. Jason was a founding co-coordinator of the National Institute of Standards and Technology TREC Legal Track, a multi-year international information retrieval project devoted to evaluating search issues in a legal context, and served as track coordinator for the first four years of the track (2006-2009). He also founded the international DESI (Discovery of Electronically Stored Information) workshop series, bringing together lawyers and academics to discuss cutting-edge issues in eDiscovery. Since 2007, past DESI workshops have been held in Palo Alto, London, Barcelona, Pittsburgh and Rome, with a related workshop held in Beijing.

Jason is the current Vice-Chair and Chair-elect of the E-Discovery Committee of the D.C. Bar Litigation Section. He is an active member of The Sedona Conference, having served as a Co-Chair of the WG1 Steering Committee and as a member of the Steering Committee from 2008 to 2012. He has also served as an Editor-in-Chief of three Sedona publications: The Sedona Conference Best Practices Commentary on the Use of Search and Information Retrieval Methods in E-Discovery (2007 & 2013 editions), The Sedona Conference Commentary on Achieving Quality in the E-Discovery Process (2009 & 2013 editions), and The Sedona Conference Commentary on Finding the Hidden ROI in Information Assets (2011); and also as Drafting Team editor on The Sedona Conference Commentary on Information Governance (2013). Additionally, Jason serves on the advisory board of the Georgetown Advanced Institute on E-Discovery, on the board of advisors for the Cardozo Data Law Initiative, and on ARMA’s governance board for the Information Governance Professional Certification Program.


That is not all of it. More at http://www.drinkerbiddle.com/people/attorneys/baron-jason-r

I think he knows the Act as it existed when Hillary was in office well enough to know if she violated it. And probably knows it a hell of a lot better than anyone discussing this in media this week. And if he doesn't know, probably no one does.

Out of tens of thousands of emails, only 55 000 were job related? Interesting. merrily Mar 2015 #1
But 55,000 *is* tens of thousands starroute Mar 2015 #29
It was a big deal here when the Bush administration was caught using personal email addresses. arcane1 Mar 2015 #2
Yes, but that's VERY different. merrily Mar 2015 #5
Seems as if there are a lot of things that were a big deal when they were done by the Bush admin ... markpkessinger Mar 2015 #56
OF COURSE THIS IS GOING TO BE A BIG DEAL! cynzke Mar 2015 #73
Might have been what they did with them. aquart Mar 2015 #57
Everyone in the Bush administration had YAHOO accounts. They don't have ANY of that stuff. MADem Mar 2015 #3
Her people? What? She never heard about the Bush thing or the law? merrily Mar 2015 #4
The Clintons are above the law, everybody knows that krawhitham Mar 2015 #6
Yup yup, nothing to see here - be a good Democrat now and move along. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2015 #38
Palin did this and we crucified her. Clinton doesn't roguevalley Mar 2015 #47
I don't think this will make her toast. merrily Mar 2015 #50
I don't know about that brush Mar 2015 #61
Republicans and media hammered Benghazi without affecting either her desire to run or her anointing. merrily Mar 2015 #71
I'm definitely open to others throwing their hats in the ring. brush Mar 2015 #77
Did you happen to read the story at the link? merrily Mar 2015 #83
I did read it but went back . . . brush Mar 2015 #97
Wasn't it an article in which Schumer was saying Democratic primaries are undesirable? Only his pic? merrily Mar 2015 #98
Yeah, that was the one brush Mar 2015 #99
Really?? I didn't see any slide show of pics of Dem Presidential hopefuls at that link. merrily Mar 2015 #100
There's a link in the middle of the copy to click on. nt brush Mar 2015 #104
And there's the problem. How much leeway will the press give her as more of this happens? 7962 Mar 2015 #68
If she remains the anointed, she will be the nominee regardless of what the press says because merrily Mar 2015 #87
isn't that the truth, merrily roguevalley Mar 2015 #91
The GOP will make a big deal, but it will just look like politics to the general public 7962 Mar 2015 #90
The media has a way of riling up the general public, esp. rw radio and it's internet counterparts. merrily Mar 2015 #94
So sick of this shady crap no matter who does it. Sheelanagig Mar 2015 #7
Well, when you're putting pressure on the Haitian government OnyxCollie Mar 2015 #8
+1 whereisjustice Mar 2015 #40
Isn't that how they nailed Petraeus? leveymg Mar 2015 #9
NASA? Kelvin Mace Mar 2015 #23
Damn auto correct. NSA it is. leveymg Mar 2015 #48
Payola will be the bigger issue... nt quadrature Mar 2015 #10
i hope it irritates the right into an eye-bulging spittle-flying tic-riddled frenzy Romeo.lima333 Mar 2015 #11
This is what the Walker John Doe was about. He set up a private router system in his office. postulater Mar 2015 #12
So you're assuming criminal activity? uberblonde Mar 2015 #32
You know, violating the "rules of the job" is at least unethical (corrupt) Demeter Mar 2015 #64
Scott Wankers activities were all on persoonal E-Mails warrant46 Mar 2015 #75
Has it occurred to anyone.. uberblonde Mar 2015 #13
Yes, the Obama administration knew about it. They would have to, in order TwilightGardener Mar 2015 #14
One reporter said his Chuck Hagel FOIA request was kicked back. uberblonde Mar 2015 #31
Then they all need to figure out why, and look into it. TwilightGardener Mar 2015 #35
The POTUS' gov't email account CANDO Mar 2015 #17
If she needs a Presidential pardon, she'll probably get one. merrily Mar 2015 #51
.... DeSwiss Mar 2015 #45
Just because a President agrees with something, or doesn't raise objection Demeter Mar 2015 #65
More tempests, more teapots...better put in another order. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #15
Put a fork in her political career... CANDO Mar 2015 #16
How do you conduct State Dept. business on non-government, unsecured TwilightGardener Mar 2015 #18
I don't know but Lawrence O seems to think that this is big. jwirr Mar 2015 #19
Yeah, I'm watching Lawrence also. CANDO Mar 2015 #21
No offense... uberblonde Mar 2015 #33
My, my, my what a quick little evidence-free bunny of condemnation you are. aquart Mar 2015 #58
My my my.... CANDO Mar 2015 #70
"Innocent until proven guilty" here on DU? Oh please Lurks Often Mar 2015 #72
Time to get someone else to run Adenoid_Hynkel Mar 2015 #85
Something is off ... sunnystarr Mar 2015 #20
Apparently HRC used private acct exclusively. CANDO Mar 2015 #22
WHEN did the "current regulations" go into effect? aquart Mar 2015 #59
2 years after she left thelordofhell Mar 2015 #62
BS - the gov't email for official biz requirement predates the Bush Admin. It's a law. leveymg Mar 2015 #76
The law did not get updated to include e-mails until after Clinton left thelordofhell Mar 2015 #82
The 1950 Act has been interpreted to include machine readable messages since the 1970s. leveymg Mar 2015 #86
The statute has covered federal records since the 1950s. The definition was probably broad enough merrily Mar 2015 #88
Thanks. leveymg Mar 2015 #92
You are welcome. merrily Mar 2015 #95
Who thought this was a good idea? nt geek tragedy Mar 2015 #24
Clearly... uberblonde Mar 2015 #34
We don't need this ripcord Mar 2015 #25
I want to wait to hear more before making a judgement but you can see the glee of some. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #26
Mind you, she has not been my favorite sadoldgirl Mar 2015 #27
Senators all have official emails. Reps, too. merrily Mar 2015 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Mar 2015 #28
"I was expecting it to be [email protected]" CrispyQ Mar 2015 #79
You care about this if Old and In the Way Mar 2015 #30
Please note. uberblonde Mar 2015 #36
Didn't give his stupidity a second thought. That was his problem with his constituents. Old and In the Way Mar 2015 #37
Actually, there was a lot of outrage from Democrats when similar news about Bushco hit. Palin, too. merrily Mar 2015 #53
The latest is that the law governing this... uberblonde Mar 2015 #39
Doubtful. Official emails = federal record. The Federal Records Act was signed in 1950. merrily Mar 2015 #54
this is not fatal DonCoquixote Mar 2015 #41
She is a lawyer and I am sure new federal hires get notice of this. merrily Mar 2015 #55
16 Benghazi hearings Nuh Uh Mar 2015 #42
That's because they all use private email. apnu Mar 2015 #69
What really chaps my ass is the whole "One rule for thee and another for me" Big_Mike Mar 2015 #43
Manning did almost the opposite of what Berger did. karynnj Mar 2015 #80
You people just don't understand! DeSwiss Mar 2015 #44
That's a funny graphic. merrily Mar 2015 #60
Oh, man, thats gonna piss off a few folks!! 7962 Mar 2015 #93
You win the US Internet! MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #109
This went on for years. Mz Pip Mar 2015 #46
I think it would be proper to ask if it's the Obama administration who prefers TwilightGardener Mar 2015 #49
Gee, a warmongering corporate schill fails to comply Android3.14 Mar 2015 #63
Well said. CrispyQ Mar 2015 #81
You did know those weren't the laws in place when she was in office? brooklynite Mar 2015 #89
Do you know when someone is manipulating you? Android3.14 Mar 2015 #96
Yes and no. The law was in place since 1950 (actually much, much earlier, but we are now working merrily Mar 2015 #108
Benghazi, Benghazi!! Sancho Mar 2015 #66
moring joe hasbeen talking most of the hour about this. Many riversedge Mar 2015 #67
This looks bad for her, State Dept IT, and the administration KeepItReal Mar 2015 #74
For a Candidate in waiting this has the appearance of some serious baggage. Ford_Prefect Mar 2015 #78
We're on track to get a seriously, seriously flawed candidate Adenoid_Hynkel Mar 2015 #84
Daily Beast proves this story is false. See links below. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #101
except for the facts set out by a state dept employee: elleng Mar 2015 #102
HRC broke No Laws fredamae Mar 2015 #103
Wrong Android3.14 Mar 2015 #105
Do we know they were Not fredamae Mar 2015 #106
will the 55K emails have a 'sequence' number ? ...nt quadrature Mar 2015 #107
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