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proverbialwisdom

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73. Substantive pushback comment... "even pro-vaccine parents have a threshold of compliance."
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 09:44 PM
Jan 2015

Just saw this citation filled comment and, overlooking the need for editing, it's definitely worth a read. Check it out for the information. Please ignore any snark or editorializing.

http://www.ageofautism.com/2015/01/losing-every-battle-winning-the-war.html#comments

COMMENT:

...would like to address a statement in this excellent article, “…and see vaccination rates return to historical highs.”

Vaccination rates are at already at historical highs- right now. According to the CDC, from the Measles vaccine licensing in 1963 through 1986 measles coverage never exceeded 70% in the surveyed population (toddlers). Rates only broke 90% in 1996- a convergence of the NVICP indemnifying manufacturers and providers (1986), Vaccines for Children (1994), the funding scheme that provides all “required” vaccines free of charge, and the dusting off and expanding State School attendance small pox requirements to include the routine childhood infections (late 70’s). Only then did rates reached today’s near universal levels. In the case of measles we had 23 years where 30% of the population was not getting vaccinated by 36 months, yet there were not the raging epidemics of the type we are warned will occur if today if the 96% drops to 95.8%. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/G/coverage.pdf
California Rates https://www.scribd.com/doc/107086647/AoA-CA-Slides

The idea that there was a “Golden Age” of vaccination in the past when parents were more rational, less hysterical, and vaccine rates and acceptance was higher than the stupid parents of today are creating is absolutely false.

The “Golden Age” meme was created by the Vaccine Industry to push state legislation to eliminate non-medical exemptions, by pointing to rising exemption rates and misrepresenting that vaccination rates are falling. The rates simply are not falling- the expanding schedule, and the way exemptions measured, (a student who is fully vaccinated for all requirements but one dose of one vaccine, or opts out of chicken pox), is measured as both “vaccinated”, and “exempt”. In Vermont, Washington and California Vaccine Industry proponents lobbied the legislature with CDC 431x314 “only 65% coverage” statistics - an assessment of 35 month old toddlers (not in school therefore not subject to requirements) to a dream, kitchen sink schedule of everything by certain age milestones, so exclusionary that it calls anyone missing a single dose or date as “unvaccinated”. The Vaccine Industry pretended it was the school age rates and vaccines, and implied that 35% of kids are completely unvaccinated. When in reality in all states exceed 90% kindergarten adherence, and 95% 7th grade adherence to school requirements. Fear mongered California and Washington legislators fell for it, Vermont legislators figured it out and rejected the legislation. Anyone without young children has no idea of the schedule today, and that a child borne today will have more vaccines by the time he is two years old than anyone over 30 has had in their whole life.

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Part of the current assault on non-medical exemptions is because of the doubling of the exemption rate from 1-3% to 2-5% caused by adding Chicken Pox. This put the Vaccine Industry on notice that even pro-vaccine parents have a threshold of compliance. I have often heard voiced, “Look, I get Polio, and Diphtheria, but Chicken Pox? Really?” The Vaccine Industry is rushing to create a regulatory framework in which it will be near impossible to opt out of any of the 200 plus vaccines that are in the pipeline, for conditions equally minor as Chicken Pox, or as rare and difficult to contract as Hep B. The Vaccine Industry wants to force you to get your child injected when their common wart vaccine is ready. The number of people exercising exemptions today is within the margin of error of most CDC surveys.

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Posted by: VaccineInformation | January 30, 2015 at 12:30 PM
Poor kid. Old and In the Way Jan 2015 #1
send them into the arms of quacks? maybe they can just start the pray away the sickness thing msongs Jan 2015 #2
If you believe your doctor is pushing harmful chemicals into your child jeff47 Jan 2015 #40
too bad the kid was born to idiot parents ... srican69 Jan 2015 #58
I hope they also don't see children who are not breast-fed. postulater Jan 2015 #3
+1000 DeSwiss Jan 2015 #4
by 6 months of age maternal protection from measles is completely gone Godhumor Jan 2015 #7
There You Go Again..... Sparhawk60 Jan 2015 #14
Selectively ignoring inconvenient science is an unsustainable approach. proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #37
Sense. Arugula Latte Jan 2015 #38
Maternal immune coverage depletes at various rates in babies. davsand Jan 2015 #89
It's s.o.p. to ask the parents about the child's immunizations. DRoseDARs Jan 2015 #8
I hope you are joking. JDPriestly Jan 2015 #9
Huh? That's just a goofy statement. MADem Jan 2015 #12
You are aware that some women can't breastfeed. Elmer S. E. Dump Jan 2015 #61
Terrific, I fully support these doctors. MicaelS Jan 2015 #5
Absolutely agree. SoapBox Jan 2015 #6
Good. Babies won't be infected with measles or whooping cough when they visit that doctor's office. JDPriestly Jan 2015 #10
I wish my pediatrician had the same policy. SunSeeker Jan 2015 #11
mine does AngryAmish Jan 2015 #15
i think if i ran a day care barbtries Jan 2015 #13
The doctor is the idiot blackcrow Jan 2015 #16
If you can't get vaccinated due to health reasons FunkyLeprechaun Jan 2015 #18
I won't let anyone ride in my car who refuses a seatbelt shawn703 Jan 2015 #20
LOL yeah sure you did rjsquirrel Jan 2015 #24
Yes, there is evidence of a flu shot & GBS Paula Sims Jan 2015 #83
Then don't go to that doctor. Demit Jan 2015 #29
not possible you should fire your doctor LOL snooper2 Jan 2015 #39
Well, according to NIH.... Adrahil Jan 2015 #91
Face masks prevent people with infections from spreading the disease. NuclearDem Jan 2015 #50
Hear, hear!!!! n/t Mugu Jan 2015 #84
Good! HappyMe Jan 2015 #17
Related. proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #19
Page 30: "...JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR, with whom JUSTICE GINSBERG joins, dissenting." proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #21
Interview excerpt of Kaiser-Permanente CEO Bernard Tyson on CNBC. proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #22
Ah, Age of Autism. The RT of vaccinations and autism n/t Godhumor Jan 2015 #25
No, Kaiser Permante Chairman Bernard Tyson via CNBC. Watch the video here. proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #35
My daughter is ASD. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2015 #49
Nuance, please. See IACC Transcript: "They are two different things and we call it all autism." proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #60
If you are autistic, you were born with it. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2015 #64
Inaccurate, sorry. proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #69
You, just like the idiots over at AoA Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2015 #70
That is not settled science no matter how many times you repeat yourself. (nt) proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #71
And NOTHING that you send me from AoA Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2015 #85
I love the smell of quote mining in the morning. NuclearDem Jan 2015 #51
There is absolutely zero arguing with this one, is there? Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2015 #87
The woo is strong with this one... Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2015 #44
Find me a single direct link to Natural News. ANS: DOES NOT EXIST. I don't read the site ever. proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #52
Everytime someone talks about vaccines Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2015 #53
AOA posts wouldn't survive the DU jury system if what you claim is true, but it's not. Sorry. (nt) proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #55
Unfortunately, woo is allowed on DU... Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2015 #57
It's science, not woo. Otherwise it would be hidden by the discerning juries on DU. (nt) proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #72
What DU juries do or do not hide doesn't make something science or woo. NuclearDem Jan 2015 #74
It's hard to justify hiding unpopular material when it's clearly fact based science, and DU has not. proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #78
The jury doesn't care if the posts are christx30 Jan 2015 #79
In my experience on this topic, posts with scientific citations stay & op-eds are instantly canned. proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #81
No, Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2015 #86
That's a malicious mischaracterization. I can count my total hidden posts on one hand. (nt) proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #88
By canned I meant attacked... Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2015 #90
Woowoowoowoowoowoowoo! Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2015 #45
Your posts reflect a lack of reading comprehension. (nt) proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #47
No, you keep posting things from Age Of Autism Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2015 #48
You want a food fight; I'm not interested. Get up to speed or don't, your prerogative. proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #54
Fuck Andrew Wakefield Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2015 #56
Good! Those doctors rjsquirrel Jan 2015 #23
Bad For Those Doctors RobinA Jan 2015 #26
But good for his other patients. Demit Jan 2015 #31
You're talking about people who believe their doctor wants to poison their child jeff47 Jan 2015 #41
As a doctor he has a right to protect his patients and their children FLPanhandle Jan 2015 #27
If they stopped seeing every patient who wouldn't follow their advice, they would go bankrupt. livetohike Jan 2015 #28
But those things don't put his *other* patients at risk Cal Carpenter Jan 2015 #36
you are right, would you want someone with measles demigoddess Jan 2015 #62
Not true. My doctor drops patients who don't follow his treatment plans. Xithras Jan 2015 #66
I'd Drop RobinA Jan 2015 #77
Measles in the Age of Reason. CanSocDem Jan 2015 #30
And that killed or permanently maimed children. jeff47 Jan 2015 #43
Exactly. I was born 3 years before the Rubella Vaccine. deafskeptic Jan 2015 #76
Good. (nt) Paladin Jan 2015 #32
I fear the waiting rooms of hospitals and Doctors the most of all. Sunlei Jan 2015 #33
I won't see anti-vaxxers either. Aristus Jan 2015 #34
That's good. HappyMe Jan 2015 #42
I'm over 50 and I am thinking that too. demigoddess Jan 2015 #63
I really don't want or need to get that sick HappyMe Jan 2015 #65
No Arrogance RobinA Jan 2015 #80
I'm not sure who you are talking about. Aristus Jan 2015 #82
Good. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2015 #46
Makes sense. Pay for home visits from immune doctors to protect others on point Jan 2015 #59
I'm all for taunting your T-cells with mashed bacteria husks, but they seem madder at MisterP Jan 2015 #67
One doc I know reserves one day every 2 weeks just to see the unvaccinated kids mainer Jan 2015 #68
Substantive pushback comment... "even pro-vaccine parents have a threshold of compliance." proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #73
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