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johnaries

(9,474 posts)
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 11:43 PM Dec 2011

Let's talk about Glenn Greenwald [View all]

As if we haven’t talked about him enough, already! LOL!

Greenwald is a very emotional writer. I mean this in a disparaging way, since many portray him as an objective reporter. He uses very emotional keywords and phrases which does him credit as a persuasive writer, but he cherry-picks and leaves out important facts or twists the facts to dishonestly portray them in order to “prove” a falsified point. Never mind that the point itself is false - as long as he can twist the facts to make his false point appear true and thus achieve his ultimate purpose.

To anyone who has taken Persuasive Writing, OR participated on High School Debate Teams, OR is familiar with Orwellian and/or Rovian techniques AND has any “Google” skills whatsoever can easily see through his writings and realizes that he is not to be taken seriously and obviously has an alternative agenda.

However, what IS his alternative agenda? If this were a criminal investigation, we would have to establish “motive”.

What is his motivation? He is obviously “smearing” a President that the opposition has painted as being so Liberal/Progressive that they maintain he is a Socialist. Yet, Greenwald paints him as “Conservative” and actually claims that many Conservatives were more Liberal than Obama.

Why?

I have found out that Greenwald is Gay, and I know from a lot of posts here at DU that many of the LGBT community here at DU are disenchanted with Obama. I find that interesting, because all of the LGBT community outside of DU strongly - and I mean STRONGLY - support him! I have many friends and co-workers who are LGB ( I had two friends who were T in the past, but we have lost touch as happens so often with friends) and they are appalled at Greenwald’s portrayals of Obama’s policies.

Upon further investigation, I found that was married to a South American man. Wonderful for him! Under current American law, if he were married to a woman, she would automatically be a US citizen. However, because the US doesn’t recognize Same Sex marriage, his Mate is not privy to the same privileges.

This is a violation of Civil Rights! This is absolutely WRONG! It is unConstitutional!

BUT it was so before Obama took office. To BLAME Obama for it is, well, stupid!

To all my LGBT friends, remember that DADT was a victory at the time! Before that, anyone who was just accused of being Gay could be expelled. Obama worked diligently to make sure that LGBTs could serve OPENLY! He not only issued an XO that could easily be repealed by the next POTUS, he worked hard and long and with great PATIENCE to make sure that it was preserved forever IN LAW. He could’ve taken the easy way out and just done an XO - but he didn’t. He worked hard to make sure it was an irrevocable LAW.

Now, as for DOMA. OK, Obama originally said he was for Civil Unions but opposed to “Same-Sex Marriage” because of his religion, but he admitted that his views were “evolving”. He has also admitted since then that he believed that DOMA was a violation of Civil Rights.

Please, pay attention, because this is VERY IMPORTANT. The Justice Department is REQUIRED BY LAW to prosecute laws passed by the Congress. But, when pressed to support DOMA laws, the Obama Administration read INTO THE RECORD that this Administration believed that the DOMA law was unconstitutional and in violation of Civil Rights.

So, Obama is working towards equal rights for all, including LGBT civil rights. Obama is not concerned with “quick fixes” that can be easily over-turned, but with fixing the issue once and for all.

Yet, some people are not satisfied with that. Obama’s crusade would eliminate Greenwald’s concerns once and for all.

It appears that some people would rather have their cake now, and run the risk of losing it forever later.

I don’t have any evidence that this is what drives Greenwald’s vitriol - but nothing else makes sense. Frankly, it makes more sense than any of Greenwald’s accusations which have been all over the place and full of Rovian “spin”.

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Let's talk about Glenn Greenwald [View all] johnaries Dec 2011 OP
I agree, but let's tone down the "stupid" remarks RandySF Dec 2011 #1
Thanks for the advice, but johnaries Jan 2012 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Jan 2012 #30
Waiting for the answer Cameron27 Jan 2012 #59
You agree? IT is a gay fucking conspiracy? dbackjon Jun 2013 #184
Just fyi, while in the Senate, the President did vote against the Uniting American Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #2
The correct answer is that the previous Senator johnaries Jan 2012 #8
actually it should be noted that the justice department refused dsc Jan 2012 #3
Please don't put words in my mouth. I am your friend, not your enemy. johnaries Jan 2012 #5
Oh really? dsc Jan 2012 #6
Oh, Puh-leezE! johnaries Jan 2012 #10
Read here. Learn that the President, while in the Senate, voted against the bill that Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #160
I apologize to all on behalf of DSC. johnaries Jan 2012 #15
Take your apology on behalf of dsc and MNBrewer Jan 2012 #24
I always thought he was an asshole--since he called the victims of Matt Hale 'odious and repugnant.' msanthrope Jan 2012 #42
What was the outcome of that particular case? MNBrewer Jan 2012 #54
You have nothing to say about his calling teenagers 'odious and repugnant?' msanthrope Jan 2012 #73
You're doing what Greenwald has been accused of doing by the OP. MNBrewer Jan 2012 #100
Um, what? msanthrope Jan 2012 #174
I'm not a lawyer Cameron27 Jan 2012 #57
Tell me--can you recall the ACLU calling a plaintiff 'odious and repugnant' because they wanted msanthrope Jan 2012 #68
I need to know a lot more Cameron27 Jan 2012 #71
Seriously? You think that 'context' might provide cover for calling teenage shooting victims msanthrope Jan 2012 #74
If I have time today, Cameron27 Jan 2012 #77
Try the case where he wiretapped for Matt Hale--159 F. Supp. 2d 1116; 2001 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 13001 msanthrope Jan 2012 #87
Apparently he did wiretap, Cameron27 Jan 2012 #97
CCR repped the Plaintiff in the Anderson case, Michael Ian Bender repped the teens. msanthrope Jan 2012 #98
Did Hale shoot the "teenagers"? MNBrewer Jan 2012 #101
no. Benjamin Smith shot them RainDog Jan 2012 #137
I find a lot of people using that quote who hate Greenwald MNBrewer Jan 2012 #102
ditto Cameron27 Jan 2012 #104
You couldn't be more wrong. Greenwald was honored this year by FAIR, EFerrari Jan 2012 #46
It's a shame that someone who wiretapped for Matt Hale would get any award. msanthrope Jan 2012 #89
You do not need to apologize on behalf of DSC... jumptheshadow Jan 2012 #62
That's a really obnoxious post. Union Scribe Jan 2012 #125
You are clearly not familiar with Greenwald's writing. This description of him, as being 'emotional' sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #148
Oops, this post was intended for the OP. Apologies to dsc. n/t sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #151
It's called propaganda noise Jan 2012 #4
As I point out, Greenwald does not rely on REALITY johnaries Jan 2012 #12
So the tea party noise Jan 2012 #13
Just as much as the lables of him as a Corporatist are. johnaries Jan 2012 #14
Why don't YOU take a look at reality, then? MNBrewer Jan 2012 #25
Um... look who he has in his admin and what how he has helped corporate America fascisthunter Jan 2012 #44
Have you ever noted the irony of a Wachtell litigator accusing Obama of msanthrope Jan 2012 #85
I'm more interested in the motivations behind all the hyperbolic and dishonest attacks quinnox Jan 2012 #9
Maybe it's because Greenwald himself indulges in "over the top" johnaries Jan 2012 #11
Greenwald is not a reporter. EFerrari Jan 2012 #40
A civil rights attorney cited for unethical behavior for recording witnesses. msanthrope Jan 2012 #92
as I have asked below, would you please edit your post RainDog Jan 2012 #138
"You would think he personally choked a bunch of peoples favorite pets" JVS Jan 2012 #123
Greenwald's paragraphs are poorly linked to each other Kolesar Jan 2012 #128
+1. You nailed him perfectly. He's bitter. Kahuna Jan 2012 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Jan 2012 #29
Don't try to pysch me out. It won't work. Kahuna Jan 2012 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Jan 2012 #75
I don't owe you an explanation but if you want.. Kahuna Jan 2012 #90
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Jan 2012 #91
let me guess, quinnox Jan 2012 #32
No I do not. But I have a lot of gay relatives, and they still support the pres. Kahuna Jan 2012 #65
Bitter? About what? sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #149
i find this OP exemplary of the anti-lgbtiq bigotry that's allowed on DU. nt xchrom Jan 2012 #17
How is it bigotry? I ask that in all seriousness. msanthrope Jan 2012 #19
this xchrom Jan 2012 #21
But how is that bigotry? msanthrope Jan 2012 #33
perhaps you could provide a link on LGBT poll numbers taken for the president? xchrom Jan 2012 #41
He's at 82% among Democrats. And his approval rating with gays continues to rise. msanthrope Jan 2012 #47
so no specific links to lgbt people xchrom Jan 2012 #53
Substitute "black" or "a woman" in that post and see if you still think it's not offensive. girl gone mad Jan 2012 #94
+1000 G_j Jan 2012 #129
I see your point. msanthrope Jan 2012 #165
It is obvious you don't have a clue dbackjon Jun 2013 #185
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Jan 2012 #20
the OP even has LGB friends! nt xchrom Jan 2012 #23
No shit. Puglover Jan 2012 #26
I think that if someone is gay, they do have a vested, personal interest in the DOMA policy. msanthrope Jan 2012 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Jan 2012 #38
Well, I'm not dismissing him because he's gay, but because he's unpersuasive. nt msanthrope Jan 2012 #164
And yet, no one ever accused him of being bitter when he was writing about these sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #150
I'm not the poster who used the word 'bitter.' Perhaps you could direct your msanthrope Jan 2012 #167
I directed my comment to you because you have agreed with the OP and despite all the comments sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #178
I think you should direct questions about comments to the posters who make them. msanthrope Jan 2012 #180
No, I do not. It is what it is. The OP is no longer here, and I think most questions have been sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #182
Agreed. This is disgusting. EFerrari Jan 2012 #37
He is an enemy of the State! kenny blankenship Jan 2012 #39
You are kidding but I have zero doubt that his name is on The List EFerrari Jan 2012 #48
thank you. nt xchrom Jan 2012 #43
Happy New Year, xchrom. EFerrari Jan 2012 #50
Maybe it's not just DU. Remember he was a target of HB Gary/BOA before Anonymous took them down. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #152
But a jury voted 1-5 to keep it. QC Jan 2012 #67
+1 xchrom Jan 2012 #70
Good grief. EFerrari Jan 2012 #88
But don't you dare suggest that DU has a homophobia problem! QC Jan 2012 #95
Agree with you xchrom suffragette Jan 2012 #146
Totally agreed, though this more blatant than usual. Puregonzo1188 Jan 2012 #170
Wait a second--is he actually married??? When did Brazil get same sex marriages? msanthrope Jan 2012 #18
Probably because Cameron27 Jan 2012 #60
He can do better in Massachusetts or NY State, or DC. msanthrope Jan 2012 #64
Ahhh, gotcha Cameron27 Jan 2012 #66
Brazil is a nation. NY, MA are States. The US is a nation. It does not allow gay couples Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #155
I thought Jerry Seinfeld's taking up with a teenager rather pathetic. msanthrope Jan 2012 #166
Thank you, Cameron27 Jan 2012 #176
Another OP ad hominem attack TomClash Jan 2012 #22
I didn't even think about that, great point quinnox Jan 2012 #28
You are conflating two different things-- msanthrope Jan 2012 #34
No TomClash Jan 2012 #76
Again, you are conflating prosecutorial discretion with the constitutional mandate to msanthrope Jan 2012 #81
I read and answered your post the first time nt TomClash Jan 2012 #84
Please provide some examples of cases in which MNBrewer Jan 2012 #27
Oh, that was easy-I did this one without breaking a sweat... msanthrope Jan 2012 #36
perfectly legal is debatable. MNBrewer Jan 2012 #55
Perhaps you could show us the statute you think debatable? On edit-- msanthrope Jan 2012 #61
Perhaps you could show all the behavior that led to the economic meltdown MNBrewer Jan 2012 #103
Maybe the President should read the Bi-Partisan Senate Committee's two year findings on whether or sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #153
Do you have a cite for that report? Did it reccommend certain prosecutions? msanthrope Jan 2012 #168
classic got root Jan 2012 #31
Attacking the Messenger based on his Sexual Orientation fascisthunter Jan 2012 #45
What a disgusting, fucking thread Oilwellian Jan 2012 #49
And this thread is a prime example of why the unrec is needed. PA Democrat Jan 2012 #69
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Jan 2012 #82
Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #96
No surprises on that list. n/t QC Jan 2012 #105
I would like to know why I was added to that list. tabatha Jan 2012 #106
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Jan 2012 #111
For reasons other than you assumed. tabatha Jan 2012 #116
Reasons that you refuse to state? What are they, national security issues? Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #156
It's 17 now. And while this is thread is allowed to stand, a post calling out people who support Puregonzo1188 Jan 2012 #173
It's indeed a disgusting thread! Wind Dancer Jan 2012 #79
Anatomy Of A Glenn Greenwald Smear Job! One of the 99 Jan 2012 #51
Too bad Johnaires didn't use this analysis to make his case that Greenwald Old and In the Way Jan 2012 #183
Incoherent, just like all of the attacks against Greenwald. ronnie624 Jan 2012 #52
Greenwald feeds his own ego. MjolnirTime Jan 2012 #56
Funny that, most people do. n/t HangOnKids Jan 2012 #80
Greenwald has gotten awards from all kinds of human rights EFerrari Jan 2012 #93
I'm glad that I'm not the only DUer disgusted by this post. PA Democrat Jan 2012 #58
+1 RainDog Jan 2012 #141
My beef with Greenwald is that he is a Libertarian pretending to be a Leftist. Ikonoklast Jan 2012 #72
+100 boxman15 Jan 2012 #99
the funny thing about Greenwald... Enrique Jan 2012 #78
Oh no--as I noted above, I always thought he was an asshole-- msanthrope Jan 2012 #83
Your problems with Greenwald have been construed as anti-gay bigotry, tabatha Jan 2012 #107
I have the same question. Bobbie Jo Jan 2012 #109
I was on that jury and could not believe it when I saw my name. tabatha Jan 2012 #110
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Jan 2012 #114
Nope, only those who rush to the incorrect judgement. tabatha Jan 2012 #115
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Jan 2012 #118
You don't have to. tabatha Jan 2012 #120
you were on a jury for a post that was about you? RainDog Jan 2012 #142
It was a list of people, tabatha Jan 2012 #144
you're wrong RainDog Jan 2012 #147
What reasons? If you demand to do nasty stuff for 'reasons of my own' then just Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #157
WAIT--You were on that jury and did not see the need to recuse yourself? Puregonzo1188 Jan 2012 #175
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Jan 2012 #112
No, I did not recommend that sentiment. tabatha Jan 2012 #113
Well, you need to consider that that is how it will be interpreted by many- me included. PA Democrat Jan 2012 #154
Oh, yes. I've noticed. nt msanthrope Jan 2012 #172
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Jan 2012 #108
HE (Greenwald) only objects to Obama policies because he's GAY--where does johnaires say that? Kolesar Jan 2012 #126
So what if I recommended a thread? Are you suggesting DUers now msanthrope Jan 2012 #171
let's not. t3 spanone Jan 2012 #86
Alternate thread title: Let's Change The Subject Away From Obama's Sell-Out Presidency brentspeak Jan 2012 #117
R#10 & K for, thanks for the research and color commentary n/t UTUSN Jan 2012 #119
All on the front page of GD right now. Do you see the futility? DeathToTheOil Jan 2012 #121
. DeathToTheOil Jan 2012 #122
"I have found out that Greenwald is Gay..." Nice hard-hitting investigative journalism. JVS Jan 2012 #124
Greenwald's beef with Obama's policies are because he is gay? really? piratefish08 Jan 2012 #127
HE (Greenwald) only objects to Obama policies because he's GAY--where does johnaires say that? Kolesar Jan 2012 #130
Right here in plain English: EFerrari Jan 2012 #131
I realize you are quoting someone else's thread, but there's factual inaccuracy in the assertion MADem Jan 2012 #132
Fun fact- Straight Couples get to make use of that process, and we don't. Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #159
I think you are trying to put words and attitudes in my mouth that I don't hold. MADem Jan 2012 #163
He is the Pepsi to his detractors Coke. Rex Jan 2012 #133
wow. fishwax Jan 2012 #134
I would like to make a suggestion RainDog Jan 2012 #135
Some of my best friends are gay! Iggo Jan 2012 #136
You're about to get burned alive. MjolnirTime Jan 2012 #139
Let's not Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2012 #140
Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #143
He's Gay. He's totally gay gay gay gay. Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #145
It's a witch hunt! Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #158
Learn more here: Immigration Equality.org Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #161
Excellent. Cameron27 Jan 2012 #177
EarlG took care of this Catherina Jan 2012 #162
Thanks for that Catherina. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #179
Glad to see this update suffragette Jan 2012 #181
Are you serious? Is this a joke? This is just homophobic and deeply disgusting. Puregonzo1188 Jan 2012 #169
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