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In reply to the discussion: I don't think the Health Insurance Reform Act was a great progressive achievement. [View all]Leopolds Ghost
(12,875 posts)117. Requiring them to carry PRIVATE health insurance, mind you.
The "public options" were MATHEMATICALLY set up to succeed only if a tiny percentage of people refused to purchase private insurance.
The goal was to save the private insurance industry from bankruptcy, not to provide universal health coverage.
The Washington Monthly reported on this for years before some folks here even became aware of the HCR bill.
About what the motives were, what stage of the process the public option would be dispensed with, and the rest.
Insurance cos weren't "at the table". They WROTE the fucking bill. And lawmakers like Edwards, Romney, Gingrich and the rest prided themselves on the fact that this would "save private health insurance."
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I don't think the Health Insurance Reform Act was a great progressive achievement. [View all]
boston bean
Dec 2011
OP
Obama had insurance and facilities at the table instead of doctors and patients.
SugarShack
Dec 2011
#66
If you seen two people drowning but could only help one would you let them both drown?
NNN0LHI
Dec 2011
#12
It's not President Obama's fault you didn't know you could change the rules in midstream.
A Simple Game
Dec 2011
#132
I notice the article you linked to doesn't say what the maximum allowable out of pocket expense is.
dflprincess
Dec 2011
#149
After you pay your $500 or $600 payment per month that you can't afford,
A Simple Game
Dec 2011
#156
Do you know what kind of health care the chronically ill get from Medicaid?
unapatriciated
Jan 2012
#191
What makes you think I haven't read this. In fact I have read every part of this very long piece....
unapatriciated
Jan 2012
#210
medicaid and medical are two different animals did you even read what I wrote.
unapatriciated
Jan 2012
#215
They are "now insured" because Obama passed a law REQUIRING them to have health insurance.
Leopolds Ghost
Dec 2011
#116
Insurance execs who wrote the bill said "the goal is to create a captive pool of young, low-risk"
Leopolds Ghost
Dec 2011
#118
what a truly screwed up country we are. This just does NOT happen anywhere else in the civilized wo
inna
Dec 2011
#113
Do you understand that there will be subsidies for premiums, based on income?
Ikonoklast
Dec 2011
#38
I can not believe that anyone on DU would defend that mandated bs. Blows my mind.
SammyWinstonJack
Dec 2011
#93
When the offer of coverage is so high you can't afford it -- will you still be fined?
Donnachaidh
Dec 2011
#141
The subsidy is to keep premiums to 10% of gross income. Deductibles and out of pockets are another
TheKentuckian
Jan 2012
#190
It turned out fairly well for Connecticut's insurance oligarchy thanks to their boy Joe Lieberman.
phasma ex machina
Dec 2011
#4
That's for sure. But I guess that doesn't matter to a great many here.
SammyWinstonJack
Dec 2011
#94
According to Rahm Emanuel one of the biggest pluses of the Profit Protection Act is that it
dflprincess
Dec 2011
#39
It's NOT a Republican Lie. I was reading about this bill in the Washington Monthly at the THINK TANK
Leopolds Ghost
Dec 2011
#121
Please do not equate health insurance with health care. They are worlds apart. n/t
A Simple Game
Dec 2011
#136
I see. So if we apply your 'logic' to the republican or libertarian platform, what do we get?
Edweird
Dec 2011
#74
Bowing to the political clout of insurance companies is NOT progressive nor progress.
Edweird
Jan 2012
#182
"Insurance is how we avoid getting ourselves into situations where we need expensive healthcare"
girl gone mad
Jan 2012
#198
What makes you think having Health Insurance will keep you from losing everything?
unapatriciated
Jan 2012
#212
not very affordable for many people, myself included... but VERY VERY progressive.
Schema Thing
Dec 2011
#41
It's hardly progressive to expect people to pay for a product they can't afford to use
dflprincess
Dec 2011
#47
Sorry but the Insurance Companies were more than willing to engage in "criminal" behavior.
unapatriciated
Jan 2012
#213
Consider yourself sued. Millions are better off now, and very few are worse off...
TreasonousBastard
Dec 2011
#18
a gallup in november actually had the highest number rating quality of healthcare
Tiggeroshii
Dec 2011
#143
Actually, it does nothing for me at all. I'm sorry it does nothing for you, either...
TreasonousBastard
Dec 2011
#73
Yup, pay to play features to grease the wheels for rehash from the Heritage Foundation, Dole, Newt,
TheKentuckian
Dec 2011
#22
Highest insurance premiums in the country are in Massachusetts. That's how well it works.
kenny blankenship
Dec 2011
#95
Private health insurance companies, just in the state of Michigan alone, have to rebate 80+ million
phleshdef
Dec 2011
#30
I don't think I've heard anyone describe it as a great progressive achievement.
subterranean
Dec 2011
#32
Ok. My 2 kids and 2 step kids are healthier cause they're insured where they wouldn't be...
cry baby
Dec 2011
#33
YES- Preventing the insurance companies from denying coverage based on pre-existing conditions SUCKS
Nye Bevan
Dec 2011
#37
I believe 90% of the Progressive Caucus voted for it, so it was a "progressive" achievement if not
pampango
Dec 2011
#78
What health insurance reform? I call it the Health Insurance Industry and Big Pharma Protection Act
Better Believe It
Dec 2011
#85
My newborn sons would have no insurance if it weren't for AMA. Think a little harder.
MjolnirTime
Dec 2011
#99
As I remember it neither was Social Security when it was first introduced. The program was still
jwirr
Dec 2011
#111
It was a step forward because it got the government more involved in health care. Was it..
mvd
Dec 2011
#125
until last year, all my money was going to healthcare and i couldnt afford a lawyer
Tiggeroshii
Dec 2011
#142