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summer_in_TX

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Wed Aug 16, 2017, 12:34 AM Aug 2017

Non-violent tactics and moral high-ground [View all]

I've been imagining what the discussion after the tragedy in Charlottesville would have been like today if the counter-protestors had been only those committed to using the moral authority (satyagraha or soul-force) of non-violence.

The starkness of the contrast between good and evil would have had a shining clarity that would have overwhelmed the RW media's ability to twist what happened into the appearance of a false equivalency.

Would it have helped hasten the end of this monstrous regime?

I grew up in a family that held Martin Luther King in the highest reverence. We watched the news anytime he and the Civil Rights Movement were covered. He stirred my moral imagination as a teenager like none other. I read his writings and watched documentaries after his death, as well as biographies about his life.

He took nonviolent methods into the heart of the racist South and to pockets of racism in the North as well. He and his cohorts in the Civil Rights Movement were spit upon, beaten by police, pepper-sprayed, jailed. A bomb was thrown into the front window of his house (luckily he and the family were in the back of the house). King was stabbed and later assassinated. Others in the Civil Rights Movement suffered the same fate.

Some mistook the tactics of the Civil Rights Movement as weakness, especially those who didn't grow up observing it. They were wrong.

Those nonviolent protesters were warriors. They placed themselves constantly in the situations where the evil of violence and racism would be rained down on their heads and those of their children who sometimes protested with them.

As the nation watched the news night after night and witnessed the bravery, the peacefulness, and the innocence of the protesters, the tide of public opinion turned. What once was the status quo became disturbing and then anathema to large swathes of the country.

LBJ helped force the transformation by numerous pieces of legislation that he worked to get passed: legislation outlawing discrimination in public housing, denying federal funding for schools that refused to integrate, the Voting Rights Act, and more. If the Civil Rights Movement had been one of violence, those pieces of legislation would never have passed. Some of those members of Congress who had inherited racist views that they'd never questioned, came to question them because of the clear moral authority of the Civil Rights Movement under the leadership of the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King and many other civil rights leaders of the time.

The number of racists in the country were reduced, because many of them had never thought about what they were doing until their eyes were opened. They had enough decency in them that they were capable of conversion. It's possible some of these current racists and Trump supporters do too.

Violent tactics justify a violent response. Hate begets hate.

While I understand the very human emotions that might lead someone to participate in Antifa, I'm convinced it is counterproductive, a mistake that will create a backlash.

In 1968 after the assassinations of Martin Luther King and Bobby Kennedy, riots broke out. That summer the Democratic National Convention was marred by days of violence and rioting. Those who were not paying attention to the causes and did not understand the forces behind the violence were appalled and afraid. Fear suppressed rational thought and brought out the lizard part of the brain in many people and fueled the conservative backlash.

Bad behavior (can we agree that violence, vandalism, and threats are bad behavior?) does not inspire anyone or bring out the good in anyone else. There certainly was no conversion of hearts or minds, quite the opposite.

Those who don't learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them. And unfortunately those of us who do learn those lessons are not always able to prevail and we too have to live with the consequences.





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Yes, lets learn the lessons of history. Eko Aug 2017 #1
There was considerable violence in Germany before Hitler marylandblue Aug 2017 #2
No. They didn't do the same thing. If, when 100 nazis show up, we show up with 5000, and Squinch Aug 2017 #5
Showing up with 65,853,516 against their 62,984,825 put a Nazi sympathizer in the Whitehouse Orrex Aug 2017 #12
You know that is a silly analogy. Squinch Aug 2017 #13
Yes, because I know that dogmatic insistence upon non-violence is silly Orrex Aug 2017 #14
So I guess Dr. King was just a silly guy. And Ghandi was a joke, huh? Squinch Aug 2017 #16
That is your claim, not mine Orrex Aug 2017 #20
You keep saying that King was not non-violent. He never acted against his non-violence message. Squinch Aug 2017 #21
Why did he maintain an arsenal? For hunting? Orrex Aug 2017 #24
Did Dr. King ever shoot anyone? Did he ever stray from his message of non-violence? Squinch Aug 2017 #26
The question is not "did he" but rather "would he have?" Orrex Aug 2017 #30
So, you seem to be saying that King's non-violence was a show, and Squinch Aug 2017 #31
That's clearly and certainly not what I'm saying. Orrex Aug 2017 #34
You know MLK and Malcolm moved closer together in their views. brush Aug 2017 #29
You don't turn the other cheek to Nazis who are determined to kill you dalton99a Aug 2017 #3
That all sounds wonderful but it's not the same Phoenix61 Aug 2017 #4
What you are describing about the image of liberals is a good description of the image of Squinch Aug 2017 #6
Martin Luther King Jr. maintained a substantial arsenal of firearms Orrex Aug 2017 #7
+1 dalton99a Aug 2017 #10
Did he ever violently defend himself? Did he pull one of those guns in Selma? Did they Squinch Aug 2017 #15
I agree wholeheartedly. kentuck Aug 2017 #8
While I can appreciate the sentiment leftynyc Aug 2017 #9
Exactly. If you advocate non-violent protests at all times against Nazis KitSileya Aug 2017 #36
Yup... Adrahil Aug 2017 #38
That's why they were so happy with leftynyc Aug 2017 #41
To quote Stokely Carmichael, Nonviolence only works if your enemy has a conscience. backscatter712 Aug 2017 #11
Who turned the tide? Was it Charmichael or King? There is no question that violence is justified Squinch Aug 2017 #17
"Nonviolence only works if your enemy has a conscience." workinclasszero Aug 2017 #19
We aren't talking about the Nazi's conscience, we are trying to get HopeAgain Aug 2017 #27
Exactly. summer_in_TX Aug 2017 #42
No offense, but you sound like Trump leftstreet Aug 2017 #18
That is a horribly offensive thing to say to that poster. "No offense but" makes it all the Squinch Aug 2017 #23
No, it's not leftstreet Aug 2017 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author jmg257 Aug 2017 #22
Don't confuse nonviolence with refusal to defend yourself Lee-Lee Aug 2017 #28
The tide of public opinion is already against these fucksticks Egnever Aug 2017 #32
Non-violence is a POLITICAL tactic and only for the brave marylandblue Aug 2017 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author jmg257 Aug 2017 #35
Of course its tragic, and I am not brave enough marylandblue Aug 2017 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author jmg257 Aug 2017 #39
Non-violence is an outstanding principle, when used by masses MineralMan Aug 2017 #40
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