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In reply to the discussion: Ralph Nader: 'Cowering' Democrats face defeat [View all]MADem
(135,425 posts)and third wayers and Vichy Dems--if those aren't insults, I would hate to see what passes for one in your world.
You can want, want, want, but you aren't going to get, get, get if you support the likes of Ralph Nader or give him any air to breathe at all. If you're serious, you'll find a Wellstone and back him. You'll help to grow another Harkin. You'll stand inside the tent and piss out. Cheering on Nader? You are standing outside the tent pissing IN. I don't know how many times or ways I can say that.
And the "vast majority" did not want "single payer." You can't throw stuff like that out and be credible. People have no idea what the fuck they want. There's been so much disinformation flying about that it's a miracle we have any sort of Obamacare at all. Stop making the perfect the enemy of the good. We all have to start somewhere.
I just can't give you history lesson after history lesson, here--everyone was on slave wages during the Great Depression--those that had work. We know how unions feel about about wage structures, and in this environment, that's all well and good; but I can promise you if, in these times, Obama proposed massive hirings of union-protected jobs at lower wages, he'd get his ass handed to him.
And FDR didn't have to establish a form of "bank bail out"-- Hoover did it for him, but FDR continued the program.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconstruction_Finance_Corporation
so that comment wasn't really accurate either.
You need to "get over" Clinton, too--he was elected twenty years ago. He's an elder statesman.
Time to move on, eh? Like I said, lead, follow or step to the side.
Look, I'll say it one more time--fuck Ralph Nader. He's a tool of the right wing and anyone who touts him is being conned by a master.