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magical thyme

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6. I've responded to this insinuation elsewhere. Copy below
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 12:41 PM
Jun 2012

First: what the Romney's were involved with -- a horse drugged to mask symptoms -- is grounds for banning from recognized competition and is not in any way, shape or form appropriate to *any* horse discipline, least of all dressage.


My answer to your question here: the purpose of dressage (which is just another word for education) is to create harmony between horse and rider, i.e. to replace abuse with mutual understanding and good communication. I am a lifelong horsewoman, and dressage has been my passion for nearly 50 years.

The historical center of classical dressage training, The Spanish Riding School of Vienna, opens every training session to the public, in front of a full audience. There is no beating, no abuse, not even raising of voice, whatsoever. The arena is silent; trainers and the audience speak in whispers. The young horses *are* outnumbered with 2 trainers to 1 young horse, but that is as much a practical and safety matter as anything, with a dozen or more young stallions learning the basics in close quarters. (I even saw one young horse escape his trainer in the crowded arena! Everything was handled quickly, quietly and calmly...with the other trainers either stopping in place, and adjacent trainers surrounding his horse so he couldn't run loose, which cold have resulted in serious injury to both horses and trainers. It was so quick and quiet I almost missed it, and most of the audience did!)

Do some dressage riders and trainers beat their horses? Yes. Just as with any other horse discipline (western, hunt seat, saddleseat, driving, not to mention racing. haven't you noticed them hitting the horses at the end of each race, trying to get more speed?). Not to mention people beating their dogs, children, spouses, etc.

Are horse people "tough?" Yes, you have to be. Handling horses is not for the feint of heart. There are times when you must make yourself "bigger" than whatever has your horse's attention at the time, for safety's sake.

To put things a little in perspective, if you watch a herd of horses interact, they discipline their young and establish the herd pecking order through nips, bites and kicks. That is language they learn as foals, grow up with and understand.

Also, a 1,000 pound horse kicking another 1,000 pound horse is one thing (but at point blank with full force, can break the other horse's bones). A 1,000 pound horse kicking a 150 pound person is a different thing (can easily break bones). A 150 pound person hitting a 1,000 pound horse is a very different thing (full force with a crop can raise a welt, but not do any real injury except to the psyche. full force with your hand will hurt your hand more than the horse).

Some times a young horse can get frightened and/or out of control, very quickly. However, any hitting *should* be disciplinary, and should not result in injury, or welts, or pain. Just an attention-getting, wake up call, for safety. Say a horse stands on your foot; I promise you will not sweetly ask the horse to move over. You will do what is necessary to free your foot before it's totally squashed. It usually involves yelling and smacking the horse (which makes a lot of noise and hurts your hand, but doesn't hurt the horse).

Unfortunately, there are those who don't get that and do hit for the sake of hitting, hit because they don't know how to guide or teach, hit until they raise welts. That is true in any discipline. They may or may not call themselves dressage trainers, but they are not trainers. They are abusers.

it depends on the trainer and the training methods used. n/t Scout Jun 2012 #1
being around the Romneys likely is, regardless of activity. hlthe2b Jun 2012 #2
They don't need to. They have George W. Bush keep it company in the trailer... JHB Jun 2012 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Turbineguy Jun 2012 #3
Only if the horse isn't into it slackmaster Jun 2012 #4
Good God. Don't put a mirror in front of Heidi Junior Mira Jun 2012 #16
No Tsiyu Jun 2012 #5
Rollkur technique Dalai_1 Jun 2012 #9
I think thats the best ride I've ever seen. Vanje Jun 2012 #10
What a find! Thank you for this post Mira Jun 2012 #15
Thank You Mira Dalai_1 Jun 2012 #24
Looks dreadfully hard on the knees... What kind of long term damage is done 1monster Jun 2012 #19
none magical thyme Jun 2012 #22
Read post 26... and draw your own conclusions. 1monster Jun 2012 #34
my conclusion remains the same magical thyme Jun 2012 #35
The Horse in the Video Dalai_1 Jun 2012 #26
she was retired after falling from a ramp onto paved driveway magical thyme Jun 2012 #41
Less than any sort of running. kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #51
Rollkur technique is not classical dressage magical thyme Jun 2012 #49
Do you really believe Ann Romney is cruel to her horse? Puzzledtraveller Jun 2012 #12
Why not? They were sued (and settled) for selling a horse that was pumped so full of drugs... Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2012 #23
If you want to know how a person will treat an animal Pab Sungenis Jun 2012 #32
I know you are not asking me, but I think both romneys are cruel people. notadmblnd Jun 2012 #46
I've responded to this insinuation elsewhere. Copy below magical thyme Jun 2012 #6
Thank you for a careful reply to what may hedgehog Jun 2012 #8
Anne's horse had a problem with his coffin bone magical thyme Jun 2012 #11
No. But too many practitioners are. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #13
Just curious - does this take a special breed of horse or can any riding horse learn to do that? jwirr Jun 2012 #14
contrary to what some people might say, no, it does not magical thyme Jun 2012 #18
A friend of mine had an appaloosa trained to very high level Vanje Jun 2012 #29
Cool! That Appaloosa probably had lots of Arabian genes Larkspur Jun 2012 #36
Ahhhh, so that explains why so many Appys are batshit crazy like Egyptian Arabians...... kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #52
yup. Appy's can be very good, I learned on t-breds magical thyme Jun 2012 #38
Check out these Clydesdales! KansDem Jun 2012 #33
Thank you for the info. I have always loved horses but had not known much about this sport. jwirr Jun 2012 #55
It is if... lame54 Jun 2012 #17
An odd story from my husband's family - hedgehog Jun 2012 #20
My grandfather was killed by a bad horse. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2012 #25
One of great-grandfathers had a farm in KS at the turn of the 20th century and died kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #53
My dressage cats object to the spurs. And, the dressage goldfish object to the saddles. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2012 #21
yes roody Jun 2012 #27
All captivity is cruelty to horses FarCenter Jun 2012 #28
LOL where the cattle ranchers complain about them Scout Jun 2012 #30
which beats chasing them down with helicopters magical thyme Jun 2012 #39
Ummm... sarcasm smilie? n/t PavePusher Jun 2012 #31
Except that the majority of horse breeds were created by humans Larkspur Jun 2012 #37
my neighbor tried to set my horses free on the "range" magical thyme Jun 2012 #40
The average lifespan of a wild horse is 8 years, usually worm infested riderinthestorm Jun 2012 #44
They are a domesticated species, too far removed from wild living to be successful at it. kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #54
It is in France. deaniac21 Jun 2012 #42
Horses and horse competitions are a passion for many, many people. MissMarple Jun 2012 #43
good post MissMarple sweetapogee Jun 2012 #47
Thank you MissMarple Jun 2012 #50
Dressage moves are natural actions a horse does in the wild riderinthestorm Jun 2012 #45
Again - thank you to all who answered this - i wanted to hedgehog Jun 2012 #48
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