General Discussion

elleng

(131,372 posts)

82. You are right IF :sarcasm:

Reply to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #81)

Wed Dec 21, 2016, 05:10 PM

Dec 2016

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

139 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Keith Ellison and Bernie Sanders: How To Remake the Democratic Party [View all] portlander23 Dec 2016 OP

Bernie is not even a Democrat, so no thanks Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #1

Agreed. If Sanders can't step up and join the D Party, then screw him. stopbush Dec 2016 #26

Maybe the PARTY is the problem... not Bernie eniwetok Dec 2016 #50

If Bernie joined, we'd be one step closer to the party you want. tinrobot Dec 2016 #61

Sanders himself eschews the "democratic" label. lapucelle Dec 2016 #126

Yeah, screw the Independents in this country! Beartracks Dec 2016 #54

I'm an Independent but some here want me to bugger off. n/t eniwetok Dec 2016 #55

Please go start "Independent Underground". Maybe that would help. KittyWampus Dec 2016 #62

thanks for being obnoxious... eniwetok Dec 2016 #69

Eh? I'm a Democrat. Beartracks Dec 2016 #73

well they don't get to remake the party treestar Dec 2016 #123

no one gives a rat's as about labels. they want to know if they are going to be helped or hurt yurbud Dec 2016 #57

Bernie trashed Hillary with a RW meme: "That's just the truth. Running against the most unpopular Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #65

his opinions are not welcome by you G_j Dec 2016 #120

For fucks sake, let the Bernie bashing go already! RiverStone Dec 2016 #129

I am simply calling him out on HIS actions and words. Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #131

When people stop saying things like "Well, Bernie would have won, so we should listen to his plans" ehrnst Dec 2016 #133

Try addressing the substance of the article G_j Dec 2016 #137

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt HopeAgain Dec 2016 #76

What am I in denial about? Bernie cut and ran as soon as the elections were over, but now he Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #78

Definition of Insanity HopeAgain Dec 2016 #87

we need to double, triple, quadruple down on the base,not go chasing some "never coming back" Reagan Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #93

So people like me (white males) are just the past? HopeAgain Dec 2016 #121

Not that you are the past at all, but our base is simply not Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #130

Cut this OUT! elleng Dec 2016 #77

No, I will not Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #79

You FIRST! Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #98

One thing the Democrats can afford to do right now is alienate potential supporters, AMIRITE? Act_of_Reparation Dec 2016 #81

You are right IF :sarcasm: elleng Dec 2016 #82

You can pretty much assume everything I say is sarcastic unless otherwise stated. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2016 #84

Gotcha! elleng Dec 2016 #86

Oh. You mean "listen to Bernie, cos people who weren't Democrats liked him?" ehrnst Dec 2016 #134

+1. What you said. Bernie did immeasurable damage to a party he doesn't even belong to. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #89

You know you wouldn't be saying that if he had won. lindysalsagal Dec 2016 #112

He didn't even win the primary of a party he is now not a member of. Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #115

Ignore the issues and continue to lose, then. alarimer Dec 2016 #118

Bernie has a stake in dividing the party, and benefits from portraying it as "a failure" ehrnst Dec 2016 #135

Give them something real! Dulcinea Dec 2016 #2

Obama is the perfect example of what we need more of: dynamism and smarts. randome Dec 2016 #3

Obama is 'old' and 'establishment' by the standards of many in that camp. ehrnst Dec 2016 #6

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #10

Obama is my age and I would prefer someone younger. randome Dec 2016 #16

you can no doubt provide peer-reviewed evidence to support your allegation, yes? LanternWaste Dec 2016 #21

Most of DU is based on observation. randome Dec 2016 #29

I think Clinton has the mastery of detail. Ace Rothstein Dec 2016 #36

She did and does have the mastery of detail. randome Dec 2016 #85

Better believe it!...nt SidDithers Dec 2016 #4

When Bernie lowers himself to become a Democrat, he can have a say ehrnst Dec 2016 #5

You forgot this part: seaglass Dec 2016 #7

Yup. Fuck him. nt Maven Dec 2016 #15

Ditto n/t otohara Dec 2016 #51

+ a million. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #90

I agree with that assessment Skittles Dec 2016 #104

Seaglass's assessment or Bernies? (nt) ehrnst Dec 2016 #106

Maven's Skittles Dec 2016 #109

Fuck him... after that deviive comment he's at the bottom of my list uponit7771 Dec 2016 #23

This from the guy who wasn't popular enough with Ds to win the nomination. stopbush Dec 2016 #30

Is Trump NOT the most unpopular candidate in history? think Dec 2016 #31

That's NOT what Ellison said in context, the republicans weren't running a candidate against trump uponit7771 Dec 2016 #38

Sanders has repeatedly called Trump the most unpopular candidate and Ellison think Dec 2016 #42

uponit - Bernie is the one quoted, not Ellison. Just want to make sure there is no seaglass Dec 2016 #48

Dead to me too bravenak Dec 2016 #32

I don't think he was calling Hillary the least popular candidate in history. Ace Rothstein Dec 2016 #39

I don't see any other way to interpret it. Please explain. n/t seaglass Dec 2016 #49

I think he's saying the Republicans ran the least popular candidate in history and still won. Ace Rothstein Dec 2016 #88

Holy Mackerel. First I watched Sanders redefine "political correctness" and now he flat out lies KittyWampus Dec 2016 #63

Not hardly the most unpopular according to her vote tally. Lil Missy Dec 2016 #91

Yeah, he's going to push that as long as he can. ehrnst Dec 2016 #105

when she won the popular vote that was treestar Dec 2016 #124

I agree: Until Bernie's an actual Democrat, to hell with his advice. (nt) Paladin Dec 2016 #8

Tough crowd here this morning. Dustlawyer Dec 2016 #9

well said.. n/t BREMPRO Dec 2016 #18

Some are willing to cling to a losing strategy because that strategy props up the kind of candidates PatsFan87 Dec 2016 #22

Wouldn't that logic apply to both camps? Sanders didn't win either. mythology Dec 2016 #111

I think that we don't agree on what a "losing strategy" is. Bernie lost. ehrnst Dec 2016 #117

read psot 7...that's why...fuck him uponit7771 Dec 2016 #24

Its pretty much true, maybe off by 1... (just an observation) funny how you can (and often do) jack_krass Dec 2016 #44

She isn't trying to use Bernie's loss of the primary to get emails to raise money or sell a book. ehrnst Dec 2016 #119

Its not something I'd ever say about him or her, just pointing out the hypocrisy, and jack_krass Dec 2016 #122

Bernie knows that discrediting Hillary pushes his agenda. ehrnst Dec 2016 #132

Er, at its very base, Party IS policy and policy is party. stopbush Dec 2016 #35

And yet Sanders doesn't know the meaning of "political correctness", said Obama was unpopular KittyWampus Dec 2016 #64

But we didn't have our asses handed to us nini Dec 2016 #108

First time I've seen anything written by Ellison BREMPRO Dec 2016 #11

well, I hear you - but we got beat.... Locrian Dec 2016 #12

Both parties do much better when running somebody charismatic NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #14

very good observation..seems obvious Charisma seem to be more important to most voters than policy. BREMPRO Dec 2016 #17

Thanks NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #19

Of course it is IronLionZion Dec 2016 #136

You forgot Elizabeth Warren Caliman73 Dec 2016 #20

Er, the non-charismatic Poppy Bush won the presidency. stopbush Dec 2016 #37

Yes, but NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #45

Splitting hairs on who was less charismatic, are we not? stopbush Dec 2016 #46

Lost the nomination running against the charismatic Reagan. Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #114

1984, my first election. Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #110

I missed 1984 by a few weeks NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #113

This is gonna sound lame, but I found Dukakis fairly charismatic LeftInTX Dec 2016 #127

I like Keith and his message, but it wont be popular here. jack_krass Dec 2016 #47

Bullshit Emilybemily Dec 2016 #13

Amen... Sanders leaving out Comey and voter suppression sounds like sour grapes uponit7771 Dec 2016 #25

Yep Gothmog Dec 2016 #34

So the party must be remade in one man's image and likeness... JHan Dec 2016 #27

If Keith and Bernie are the future of the party then count me in! white_wolf Dec 2016 #28

Count Me Out otohara Dec 2016 #52

The only ones spreading hate and divsion here are hardcore Clinton supporters. white_wolf Dec 2016 #67

We Were In Hiding otohara Dec 2016 #70

The fact is the vast majority of Sanders supporters voted for Clinton. white_wolf Dec 2016 #71

Not Enough Of Them Did otohara Dec 2016 #75

Too bad you didn't work on the Bernie people who threw protest votes away nini Dec 2016 #95

I have met and like Keith Ellison but I do not support his bid for DNC chair Gothmog Dec 2016 #33

Bernie...how many seats does your party hold? Fresh_Start Dec 2016 #40

This sounds like Ellison and Sanders is not happy with the Democratic Party and wants their own Thinkingabout Dec 2016 #41

Shouldn't "we got to" be "we've got to"? masmdu Dec 2016 #43

That distinction is what contributes to the negative description of Democrats by Obama HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #53

By "latte sipping grammar" do you mean clear and understandable? masmdu Dec 2016 #58

I felt that both were clear and understandable HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #59

Or perhaps it is off putting to potential voters who think clear and understandable communication is masmdu Dec 2016 #60

We would lose some things. HassleCat Dec 2016 #56

As an African American, I want the Dem party underthematrix Dec 2016 #68

Sanders is going to be a boat anchor on Eliison. Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #66

Well said. Justice Dec 2016 #74

YES! Ellison should be smart enough to know that there are hard feelings from traditional Democrats, Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #96

I agree. Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #97

I must be psychic-- Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #138

The Hillary haters won't brook dissent, and Hillary supporters won't tolerate the haters, so Ellison Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #139

Glad to see some forward thinking Progressives rising in the ranks. jalan48 Dec 2016 #72

UGH ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #80

I feel like 2016 has been one massive jedi mind trick JHan Dec 2016 #125

Thanks, portlander23. elleng Dec 2016 #83

DU Rec. SixString Dec 2016 #92

This article spells it out.. nini Dec 2016 #94

Agreed Gothmog Dec 2016 #100

that's my favorite bit too. The whole thing is brilliant. n/t JHan Dec 2016 #102

I called all of his offices and left word for him WhiteTara Dec 2016 #99

New questions complicate Ellison's bid for DNC chair Gothmog Dec 2016 #101

Hillary's "baggage" is all that matters for some folks. n/t JHan Dec 2016 #103

Yessssss. azmom Dec 2016 #107

Read it. Not impressed. SharonClark Dec 2016 #116

reading the comments is exactly why we loose. okieinpain Dec 2016 #128