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seaglass

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7. You forgot this part:

Wed Dec 21, 2016, 09:36 AM

Dec 2016

“The painful truth is that despite President Obama's strong victories in 2008 and 2012, the Democratic Party has lost enormous political ground over the last eight years.”

“That's just the truth. Running against the most unpopular presidential candidate in history, the Republicans have just won the White House.”

https://www.c-span.org/video/?420110-1/representative-keith-ellison-discusses-agenda-dnc

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Bernie, still dead to me.

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Keith Ellison and Bernie Sanders: How To Remake the Democratic Party [View all] portlander23 Dec 2016 OP

Bernie is not even a Democrat, so no thanks Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #1

Agreed. If Sanders can't step up and join the D Party, then screw him. stopbush Dec 2016 #26

Maybe the PARTY is the problem... not Bernie eniwetok Dec 2016 #50

If Bernie joined, we'd be one step closer to the party you want. tinrobot Dec 2016 #61

Sanders himself eschews the "democratic" label. lapucelle Dec 2016 #126

Yeah, screw the Independents in this country! Beartracks Dec 2016 #54

I'm an Independent but some here want me to bugger off. n/t eniwetok Dec 2016 #55

Please go start "Independent Underground". Maybe that would help. KittyWampus Dec 2016 #62

thanks for being obnoxious... eniwetok Dec 2016 #69

Eh? I'm a Democrat. Beartracks Dec 2016 #73

well they don't get to remake the party treestar Dec 2016 #123

no one gives a rat's as about labels. they want to know if they are going to be helped or hurt yurbud Dec 2016 #57

Bernie trashed Hillary with a RW meme: "That's just the truth. Running against the most unpopular Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #65

his opinions are not welcome by you G_j Dec 2016 #120

For fucks sake, let the Bernie bashing go already! RiverStone Dec 2016 #129

I am simply calling him out on HIS actions and words. Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #131

When people stop saying things like "Well, Bernie would have won, so we should listen to his plans" ehrnst Dec 2016 #133

Try addressing the substance of the article G_j Dec 2016 #137

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt HopeAgain Dec 2016 #76

What am I in denial about? Bernie cut and ran as soon as the elections were over, but now he Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #78

Definition of Insanity HopeAgain Dec 2016 #87

we need to double, triple, quadruple down on the base,not go chasing some "never coming back" Reagan Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #93

So people like me (white males) are just the past? HopeAgain Dec 2016 #121

Not that you are the past at all, but our base is simply not Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #130

Cut this OUT! elleng Dec 2016 #77

No, I will not Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #79

You FIRST! Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #98

One thing the Democrats can afford to do right now is alienate potential supporters, AMIRITE? Act_of_Reparation Dec 2016 #81

You are right IF :sarcasm: elleng Dec 2016 #82

You can pretty much assume everything I say is sarcastic unless otherwise stated. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2016 #84

Gotcha! elleng Dec 2016 #86

Oh. You mean "listen to Bernie, cos people who weren't Democrats liked him?" ehrnst Dec 2016 #134

+1. What you said. Bernie did immeasurable damage to a party he doesn't even belong to. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #89

You know you wouldn't be saying that if he had won. lindysalsagal Dec 2016 #112

He didn't even win the primary of a party he is now not a member of. Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #115

Ignore the issues and continue to lose, then. alarimer Dec 2016 #118

Bernie has a stake in dividing the party, and benefits from portraying it as "a failure" ehrnst Dec 2016 #135

Give them something real! Dulcinea Dec 2016 #2

Obama is the perfect example of what we need more of: dynamism and smarts. randome Dec 2016 #3

Obama is 'old' and 'establishment' by the standards of many in that camp. ehrnst Dec 2016 #6

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #10

Obama is my age and I would prefer someone younger. randome Dec 2016 #16

you can no doubt provide peer-reviewed evidence to support your allegation, yes? LanternWaste Dec 2016 #21

Most of DU is based on observation. randome Dec 2016 #29

I think Clinton has the mastery of detail. Ace Rothstein Dec 2016 #36

She did and does have the mastery of detail. randome Dec 2016 #85

Better believe it!...nt SidDithers Dec 2016 #4

When Bernie lowers himself to become a Democrat, he can have a say ehrnst Dec 2016 #5

You forgot this part: seaglass Dec 2016 #7

Yup. Fuck him. nt Maven Dec 2016 #15

Ditto n/t otohara Dec 2016 #51

+ a million. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #90

I agree with that assessment Skittles Dec 2016 #104

Seaglass's assessment or Bernies? (nt) ehrnst Dec 2016 #106

Maven's Skittles Dec 2016 #109

Fuck him... after that deviive comment he's at the bottom of my list uponit7771 Dec 2016 #23

This from the guy who wasn't popular enough with Ds to win the nomination. stopbush Dec 2016 #30

Is Trump NOT the most unpopular candidate in history? think Dec 2016 #31

That's NOT what Ellison said in context, the republicans weren't running a candidate against trump uponit7771 Dec 2016 #38

Sanders has repeatedly called Trump the most unpopular candidate and Ellison think Dec 2016 #42

uponit - Bernie is the one quoted, not Ellison. Just want to make sure there is no seaglass Dec 2016 #48

Dead to me too bravenak Dec 2016 #32

I don't think he was calling Hillary the least popular candidate in history. Ace Rothstein Dec 2016 #39

I don't see any other way to interpret it. Please explain. n/t seaglass Dec 2016 #49

I think he's saying the Republicans ran the least popular candidate in history and still won. Ace Rothstein Dec 2016 #88

Holy Mackerel. First I watched Sanders redefine "political correctness" and now he flat out lies KittyWampus Dec 2016 #63

Not hardly the most unpopular according to her vote tally. Lil Missy Dec 2016 #91

Yeah, he's going to push that as long as he can. ehrnst Dec 2016 #105

when she won the popular vote that was treestar Dec 2016 #124

I agree: Until Bernie's an actual Democrat, to hell with his advice. (nt) Paladin Dec 2016 #8

Tough crowd here this morning. Dustlawyer Dec 2016 #9

well said.. n/t BREMPRO Dec 2016 #18

Some are willing to cling to a losing strategy because that strategy props up the kind of candidates PatsFan87 Dec 2016 #22

Wouldn't that logic apply to both camps? Sanders didn't win either. mythology Dec 2016 #111

I think that we don't agree on what a "losing strategy" is. Bernie lost. ehrnst Dec 2016 #117

read psot 7...that's why...fuck him uponit7771 Dec 2016 #24

Its pretty much true, maybe off by 1... (just an observation) funny how you can (and often do) jack_krass Dec 2016 #44

She isn't trying to use Bernie's loss of the primary to get emails to raise money or sell a book. ehrnst Dec 2016 #119

Its not something I'd ever say about him or her, just pointing out the hypocrisy, and jack_krass Dec 2016 #122

Bernie knows that discrediting Hillary pushes his agenda. ehrnst Dec 2016 #132

Er, at its very base, Party IS policy and policy is party. stopbush Dec 2016 #35

And yet Sanders doesn't know the meaning of "political correctness", said Obama was unpopular KittyWampus Dec 2016 #64

But we didn't have our asses handed to us nini Dec 2016 #108

First time I've seen anything written by Ellison BREMPRO Dec 2016 #11

well, I hear you - but we got beat.... Locrian Dec 2016 #12

Both parties do much better when running somebody charismatic NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #14

very good observation..seems obvious Charisma seem to be more important to most voters than policy. BREMPRO Dec 2016 #17

Thanks NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #19

Of course it is IronLionZion Dec 2016 #136

You forgot Elizabeth Warren Caliman73 Dec 2016 #20

Er, the non-charismatic Poppy Bush won the presidency. stopbush Dec 2016 #37

Yes, but NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #45

Splitting hairs on who was less charismatic, are we not? stopbush Dec 2016 #46

Lost the nomination running against the charismatic Reagan. Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #114

1984, my first election. Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #110

I missed 1984 by a few weeks NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #113

This is gonna sound lame, but I found Dukakis fairly charismatic LeftInTX Dec 2016 #127

I like Keith and his message, but it wont be popular here. jack_krass Dec 2016 #47

Bullshit Emilybemily Dec 2016 #13

Amen... Sanders leaving out Comey and voter suppression sounds like sour grapes uponit7771 Dec 2016 #25

Yep Gothmog Dec 2016 #34

So the party must be remade in one man's image and likeness... JHan Dec 2016 #27

If Keith and Bernie are the future of the party then count me in! white_wolf Dec 2016 #28

Count Me Out otohara Dec 2016 #52

The only ones spreading hate and divsion here are hardcore Clinton supporters. white_wolf Dec 2016 #67

We Were In Hiding otohara Dec 2016 #70

The fact is the vast majority of Sanders supporters voted for Clinton. white_wolf Dec 2016 #71

Not Enough Of Them Did otohara Dec 2016 #75

Too bad you didn't work on the Bernie people who threw protest votes away nini Dec 2016 #95

I have met and like Keith Ellison but I do not support his bid for DNC chair Gothmog Dec 2016 #33

Bernie...how many seats does your party hold? Fresh_Start Dec 2016 #40

This sounds like Ellison and Sanders is not happy with the Democratic Party and wants their own Thinkingabout Dec 2016 #41

Shouldn't "we got to" be "we've got to"? masmdu Dec 2016 #43

That distinction is what contributes to the negative description of Democrats by Obama HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #53

By "latte sipping grammar" do you mean clear and understandable? masmdu Dec 2016 #58

I felt that both were clear and understandable HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #59

Or perhaps it is off putting to potential voters who think clear and understandable communication is masmdu Dec 2016 #60

We would lose some things. HassleCat Dec 2016 #56

As an African American, I want the Dem party underthematrix Dec 2016 #68

Sanders is going to be a boat anchor on Eliison. Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #66

Well said. Justice Dec 2016 #74

YES! Ellison should be smart enough to know that there are hard feelings from traditional Democrats, Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #96

I agree. Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #97

I must be psychic-- Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #138

The Hillary haters won't brook dissent, and Hillary supporters won't tolerate the haters, so Ellison Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #139

Glad to see some forward thinking Progressives rising in the ranks. jalan48 Dec 2016 #72

UGH ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #80

I feel like 2016 has been one massive jedi mind trick JHan Dec 2016 #125

Thanks, portlander23. elleng Dec 2016 #83

DU Rec. SixString Dec 2016 #92

This article spells it out.. nini Dec 2016 #94

Agreed Gothmog Dec 2016 #100

that's my favorite bit too. The whole thing is brilliant. n/t JHan Dec 2016 #102

I called all of his offices and left word for him WhiteTara Dec 2016 #99

New questions complicate Ellison's bid for DNC chair Gothmog Dec 2016 #101

Hillary's "baggage" is all that matters for some folks. n/t JHan Dec 2016 #103

Yessssss. azmom Dec 2016 #107

Read it. Not impressed. SharonClark Dec 2016 #116

reading the comments is exactly why we loose. okieinpain Dec 2016 #128