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63. Do you remember how republican spin doctors

Wed Jul 20, 2016, 06:03 PM

Jul 2016

used to take words like "liberal" and turn it into something very bad? Right-wing media personalities would say "Nancy Pelosi" or "Hillary Clinton" in such a way that it evoked a negative response, though they rarely explained why. Democrats started calling themselves "progressives" because "liberal" became synonymous with "scum".

Well now I see an attempt to do the same thing with the word "organic" - make something most people perceive as positive into a marketing scam. Just repeat it over and over again until it takes hold.

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Monsanto Fingerprints Found all Over Attack on Organic Food [View all] PatSeg Jul 2016 OP

And the surprise here would be....? villager Jul 2016 #1

Well PatSeg Jul 2016 #5

They like to keep their faxed-in talking points short n' sweet. nt villager Jul 2016 #7

Before they resort to insults and ridicule PatSeg Jul 2016 #8

I was just about to add that! They are constitutionally incapable of civil discussion. villager Jul 2016 #9

Holy crap PatSeg Jul 2016 #10

The PMing aspect kept getting stranger and stranger.... villager Jul 2016 #12

Perhaps it was PMer PatSeg Jul 2016 #13

Here we go, "Mama Monsanto" PatSeg Jul 2016 #153

Sorry PatSeg Jul 2016 #154

When Cheney said food is a weapon, this now reveals the large corporate dark world he spoke for. ancianita Jul 2016 #2

Like some futuristic dystopia PatSeg Jul 2016 #4

Well.... HuckleB Jul 2016 #29

Organic means no glyphosate womanofthehills Jul 2016 #53

You keep making unsupported claims about glyphosate being carcinogenic... Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #56

They are not unsupported - and the lawsuits are coming big time and Monsanto is going to pay womanofthehills Jul 2016 #60

Do you remember how republican spin doctors PatSeg Jul 2016 #63

Hogwash. HuckleB Jul 2016 #81

The way John Kerry's heroism was "swiftboated" womanofthehills Jul 2016 #91

ACA = Obamacare PatSeg Jul 2016 #95

People standing up to pseudoscience fictions is not like swift boating at all. HuckleB Jul 2016 #96

Thanks. So much goes by so fast around here that it's good to get as many reposts as possible. ancianita Jul 2016 #69

If the posts contain good information, yes. HuckleB Jul 2016 #143

True RapSoDee Jul 2016 #61

Welcome to DU PatSeg Jul 2016 #64

Thank you PatSeg. Glad to be here RapSoDee Jul 2016 #66

Some aren't always PatSeg Jul 2016 #70

Corporate trolls employ routine Republican techniques RapSoDee Jul 2016 #76

Yes PatSeg Jul 2016 #78

We've had decades of useless belief in spite of evidence that petitions are asking-nicely useless. ancianita Jul 2016 #71

NSS niyad Jul 2016 #3

Monsanto sells organic seeds. It makes plenty of money on the organic industry scam, too. HuckleB Jul 2016 #6

Why repost this shit again? What next? Chemtrails controlling our thoughts? Your tinfoil hat is... Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #11

Sorry PatSeg Jul 2016 #14

It's not new to you, nor to "the others." HuckleB Jul 2016 #15

Ell Oh Ell TransitJohn Jul 2016 #17

Are you following me about? PatSeg Jul 2016 #18

I merely knew that this piece had already been posted. HuckleB Jul 2016 #19

I did not pretend PatSeg Jul 2016 #24

Oh, please. HuckleB Jul 2016 #25

Unfortunately it is typical for some here BuddhaGirl Jul 2016 #54

I could think of far PatSeg Jul 2016 #65

Indeed! There are way more important BuddhaGirl Jul 2016 #100

Thanks for the bit of sanity!!! PatSeg Jul 2016 #108

You win most ironic post of the day on several counts. HuckleB Jul 2016 #111

And yet, every day, you waste time trying to convince others of the same fictions. HuckleB Jul 2016 #101

Showing you caught in a bald-faced lie is not "stalking". cleanhippie Jul 2016 #26

Busted, patseg. Don't dig yourself into a deeper hole by denying it and deflecting. Nitram Jul 2016 #147

The fact is that Monsanto makes organic seed, why would they attack a part of the market they... Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #16

Because GM and organic are not mutually exclusive Lithos Jul 2016 #32

The Big O organic industry is not for transparency, but spreading FUD, Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #35

Meh Lithos Jul 2016 #110

Very well said PatSeg Jul 2016 #114

It is really a trilogy Lithos Jul 2016 #116

I see Deathworld I PatSeg Jul 2016 #117

See: Lithos Jul 2016 #120

Thank you! PatSeg Jul 2016 #142

None of the claims you made are even factual, much less matching reality... Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #126

Start here Lithos Jul 2016 #127

That's one study, what do the meta-analysis say? Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #129

Gosh Lithos Jul 2016 #132

Its downplayed because you are just spouting a word salad of nonsense... Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #133

An opinion piece from an open-source journal that publishes Seralini & has almost no impact factor? HuckleB Jul 2016 #135

National institute of health is an open source journal Lithos Jul 2016 #137

Wow! You just showed a level of ignorance way beyond what I would have even imagined. HuckleB Jul 2016 #138

Do not recall PLOS-ONE Lithos Jul 2016 #140

And then you double down, and mention a completely different source than the one you used. HuckleB Jul 2016 #141

I still wait for your contribution Lithos Jul 2016 #145

You still don't even know how to respond. HuckleB Jul 2016 #146

Interesting overview PatSeg Jul 2016 #67

Because the growing organic market does not use Roundup womanofthehills Jul 2016 #88

You don't know why that doesn't even make sense, do you? HuckleB Jul 2016 #97

Of course it doesn't, instead it uses much more toxic chemicals, such as Copper Sulfate. n/t Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #124

It is indeed, conspiratorial thinking to believe a market force would look to its own profit LanternWaste Jul 2016 #20

Oh, it goes far beyond that, the premise here is that the entire scientific establishment is owned.. Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #21

. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #30

It's strange to see the pride shown by the marks. HuckleB Jul 2016 #31

bah... Lithos Jul 2016 #33

+1! tecelote Jul 2016 #37

Nonsense Major Nikon Jul 2016 #38

Tastes better too PatSeg Jul 2016 #72

Citations showing a consensus of science supporting this claim needed. HuckleB Jul 2016 #113

Not sure which citations you need Lithos Jul 2016 #115

So your assuming a cause when you have no evidence to support your assumed cause. HuckleB Jul 2016 #118

LOL Lithos Jul 2016 #119

No you're not. HuckleB Jul 2016 #121

How so? Lithos Jul 2016 #122

You made a claim. You have no support for it. HuckleB Jul 2016 #123

This was what I provided: Lithos Jul 2016 #125

You really don't get it, do you? HuckleB Jul 2016 #128

Would say the same to you Lithos Jul 2016 #130

Of course you would. HuckleB Jul 2016 #131

Lol Lithos Jul 2016 #134

It's reality. You made claims, sans evidence. HuckleB Jul 2016 #136

Well, don't forget PatSeg Jul 2016 #148

So asking for the guy to justify his claims is ridicule and derision? HuckleB Jul 2016 #149

Actually been asking you to do the same Lithos Jul 2016 #150

Ah, so you think that asking you to support your claims is derision and ridicule. HuckleB Jul 2016 #151

There was nothing "ugly or personal or ludicrous" in what I said PatSeg Jul 2016 #152

As usual, you refuse to acknowledge your own foibles. HuckleB Jul 2016 #155

Sigh PatSeg Jul 2016 #156

You have never tried to be reasonable. HuckleB Jul 2016 #157

If you think organic is a scam, just go ahead and eat your food loaded with glyphsate womanofthehills Jul 2016 #89

OFFS MohRokTah Jul 2016 #92

Repeatedly throw shit against the wall to see if any of it sticks Major Nikon Jul 2016 #40

Wow! I knew they peddled nonsense, but, yeah, again, WOW! HuckleB Jul 2016 #43

This message was self-deleted by its author Major Nikon Jul 2016 #41

You always say that anyone who disagrees with you believes in chemtails. womanofthehills Jul 2016 #44

No, they just display the same paranoid tendencies and display a lack of... Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #50

The 9/11 truthers, anti-vaxxers, and chemtrail nutbags have gone the way of the dodo around here Major Nikon Jul 2016 #73

Kind of like your favorite source Major Nikon Jul 2016 #52

What? What? What? PatSeg Jul 2016 #74

We will keep reposting this "shit" until Monsanto takes the glyphosate out of our food womanofthehills Jul 2016 #87

I'm in my local Rainbow Grocery co-op four times a week. I know I pay more, but I support the store NBachers Jul 2016 #22

Also better to pay more PatSeg Jul 2016 #27

There is no evidence that the food is healthier, where do you get your information? n/t Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #39

Any foodout with the cancer causing glyphosate is healthier to me womanofthehills Jul 2016 #45

Glyphosate doesn't cause cancer, so try again. n/t Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #48

All sorts of foods contain formaldehyde Major Nikon Jul 2016 #55

Sure, like organic wine, right? Major Nikon Jul 2016 #49

At one time, PatSeg Jul 2016 #58

More evidence the scam works, though Major Nikon Jul 2016 #46

to me the whole "anti-organic" argument is laid waste mdbl Jul 2016 #23

Too much money in politics PatSeg Jul 2016 #28

The organic industry pushed for "Certified Organic" labels, then immediately went in to try to... Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #34

And if their "organic" food is so great, why do they need to demonize the competition? HuckleB Jul 2016 #36

A few months ago I read several Opening Posts, which claimed Monsanto had paid Trolls working at DU. Jeffersons Ghost Jul 2016 #42

Really? Where are these paid trolls, and where is my fucking check? Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #47

What "conspiracy theory?" I simply reported that reasonable sounding OPs reported monsanto trolls Jeffersons Ghost Jul 2016 #62

It is common knowledge PatSeg Jul 2016 #75

There's also people who promote nonsense bought and paid for by Big-Organic® Major Nikon Jul 2016 #84

I really, really wasn't going to respond PatSeg Jul 2016 #86

What's really funny is your source is a paid tool of OCA Major Nikon Jul 2016 #94

Their trolls are all over the internet on every Dem site womanofthehills Jul 2016 #51

Several? Link us to them. HuckleB Jul 2016 #83

Guessing that Republicans could care less. ozone_man Jul 2016 #104

i'm shocked! Shocked I say! Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #57

Good luck with that Major Nikon Jul 2016 #68

No doubt. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #77

Actually appeal is nature is a fallacy Major Nikon Jul 2016 #79

Fine. I don't spray anything on my tomatoes to kill bugs. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #80

Organic doesn't mean no chemicals, which is a well debunked myth Major Nikon Jul 2016 #82

Well, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that "more nutritious" makes no sense. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #85

Nor does it take much grey matter to figure out the other claims make no sense Major Nikon Jul 2016 #90

Im not anti-GMO, by the way. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #99

Isn't increased production and lower food cost isn't a net positive? Major Nikon Jul 2016 #102

it is. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #103

The farmers themselves seem quite convinced Major Nikon Jul 2016 #105

Well again, I make a distinction between GMO technology itself and one specific use case Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #106

The potential is undoubtedly greater Major Nikon Jul 2016 #107

Well, in 2014 hippie crunchy granola Oregon -defeated- a GMO labeling initiative. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #109

The more information people get, the less the fear mongering holds sway. HuckleB Jul 2016 #112

Again, I don't put all organic food and anti-GMO hysteria in the same bucket. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #139

The marketing utilized by organic companies is quite obvious. HuckleB Jul 2016 #144

I've shot down a few of these @DU & got one to self delete ..links are hardly independent sources Person 2713 Jul 2016 #59

No, you haven't. HuckleB Jul 2016 #93

Why couldn't the organic-industry hack debunk the content of the actual paper? HuckleB Jul 2016 #98