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In reply to the discussion: Risks of Harm from Spanking Confirmed by Analysis of Five Decades of Research [View all]uponit7771
(90,348 posts)71. A parent that needs to. Also teenager that is 14 and 6'2 and 200 lbs isn't a man at all...
... that's a strawman.
They're teenagers, period and need to go through a corrective action process to make sure they know they're out of bounds
Also, people are conflating and making the term spanking nebulous ... its not
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Risks of Harm from Spanking Confirmed by Analysis of Five Decades of Research [View all]
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
OP
not really, discipline is personal preference and alot of huffy arguing not worth my time
swhisper1
Jun 2016
#1
The evidence suggests that it would be counterproductive, are you saying its actually effective....
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#50
True, but why risk it at all, particularly since its counterproductive...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#90
That's like saying molesting your little daughter is just personal preference.
jtuck004
Jun 2016
#18
+1, and the lack of empathy or even progressive solutions to a child who's threatening and defiant
uponit7771
Jun 2016
#23
I agree, hitting anyone TO cause pain isnt productive.. spanking a child with the intentions and the
uponit7771
Jun 2016
#31
Ah, didn't read the non-consensual so no... its not ok to hit anyone and we agree that one size does
uponit7771
Jun 2016
#37
So basically you are disregarding the study because it contradicts your preconceived notions...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#51
No, I'm not disregarding the data at all Just HOF hyperbole and my way great your way sucks mentali
uponit7771
Jun 2016
#69
RIGHT!! And SOMETIMES... there needs to be an instant negative reaction and it doesn't have
uponit7771
Jun 2016
#70
A parent that needs to. Also teenager that is 14 and 6'2 and 200 lbs isn't a man at all...
uponit7771
Jun 2016
#71
Who the fuck spanks teenagers at all? That's definitely not normal. n/t
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#77
Again, a parent that needs to... what is your perspective of what a spanking is? tia
uponit7771
Jun 2016
#81
No, even if I conceded that spanking is something parents should be allowed to do, if they are...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#82
I know, I couldn't even fathom trying to get a teenager to cooperate with a spanking...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#89
Not in front of the cops it's not, they'll oversee and make sure its not taking
uponit7771
Jun 2016
#95
You know, when you have to lie to defend your argument, you lost that argument.
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#103
Could you link and quote were they did outline an escalated progressive action process then...
uponit7771
Jun 2016
#107
Its behind a paywall, if you want to pay the 12 bucks, read it yourself, otherwise stop...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#115
Precisely, don't let survivor bias cloud your thinking, the outcomes of the majority matter...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#9
My father in law believes an adult spanking a small child IS physical abuse and he convinced me.
merrily
Jun 2016
#10
You may be able to raise a child less than optimally by indulging every whim instantly.
merrily
Jun 2016
#19
wait, so letting a kid 'run wild' as in physically abuse people and their parents, destroy property
uponit7771
Jun 2016
#29
No, spanking is part of the corrective action process that could be used but usually is the last...
uponit7771
Jun 2016
#72
"by then it may be too late for a parent who caused the problem to rein it in" giving up on a kid is
uponit7771
Jun 2016
#109
So is enforcing the idea that there is little consequence to stepping out of bounds which in some...
uponit7771
Jun 2016
#73
"You broke it, you fix it" is a much tougher expectation than "you might get punished."
hunter
Jun 2016
#91
Not given a relatively instant negative reaction to detrimental behavior is more abusive than doing
uponit7771
Jun 2016
#24
FIVE DECADES of research? How many decades of research with no legislative action would it have
merrily
Jun 2016
#6
It's was an analysis of 50 years of original research. I'm not getting your point.
merrily
Jun 2016
#116
sophistry, "specific to the effects of spanking ALONE" they did no study on escalated corrective..
uponit7771
Jun 2016
#25
No, you've misread that. "Alone" IS opposed to "other types of physical punishment"
muriel_volestrangler
Jun 2016
#114
+1, and the study said this ..."specific to the effects of spanking ALONE"... well yeah....
uponit7771
Jun 2016
#32
Yes of course because they said ..."SPANKING ALONE" which is at the least confusing cause of
uponit7771
Jun 2016
#75
I like how you take two words out of context and add your own definition to it...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#76
That's their words, not mine... also in the study they don't say whether or not there was any other
uponit7771
Jun 2016
#80
Its a meta-analysis of other studies where they try to isolate the variables, what they found is...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#83
And yet, the social impact of excluding these "bad" fathers from households
lumberjack_jeff
Jun 2016
#59
Maybe they wouldn't be abusive drug-addict husbands if they had fathers. n/t
lumberjack_jeff
Jun 2016
#61
The fatherless kids that are nearly 300% more likely to carry a gun didn't learn that from dad.
lumberjack_jeff
Jun 2016
#66
Not sure how that is even relevant to the thread, many times the status of single parenthood...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#49
for one thing, it teaches a child that it is okay for someone bigger to physically assault someone
niyad
Jun 2016
#55
If you want your kids to despise you, hit them. They will wish you were dead.
Skeeter Barnes
Jun 2016
#101
This is false on its face, my parents generation as an example... which these studies don't address
uponit7771
Jun 2016
#110
I guess today's kids are just too mentally weak to not be able to stand a spanking or two...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#117
Very sorry you went through that but appreciate you sharing your story.
Skeeter Barnes
Jun 2016
#121