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110. So, other than for bells and whistles, no substantial difference in ballistic performance?

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Thu Jun 16, 2016, 10:17 PM

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Remington does in fact sell, quite literally "military-issue weapons of war" to civilians. (GUN PIC) [View all] sir pball Jun 2016 OP

This is going to be a semi-drive-by.. sir pball Jun 2016 #1

Congrats, chef! aikoaiko Jun 2016 #8

Congratulations!!! Odin2005 Jun 2016 #52

Congratulations. Buddy of mine was a sous chef at a big oe in Baton Rouge... Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #57

Thanks guys! sir pball Jun 2016 #133

People who spend $11,000 on a rifle don't usually shoot up schools with them. dilby Jun 2016 #2

So why the persistent calls for bans on .50s? sir pball Jun 2016 #5

Probably because the bullet from one can travel over four miles jmowreader Jun 2016 #6

Ballistically, yeah. sir pball Jun 2016 #7

I shot a bullet into the air... malthaussen Jun 2016 #155

A .338 RUM is my Alaskan rifle Drahthaardogs Jun 2016 #13

Outshoot, not outperform. sir pball Jun 2016 #131

Contollers are compelled to control...nt jonno99 Jun 2016 #45

I have no issue with .50 cal rifle, they weigh 30 lbs and cost an insane amount of money. dilby Jun 2016 #90

This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Jun 2016 #47

I would guess he paid with a credit card! The_Casual_Observer Jun 2016 #83

Quite possibly. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #125

Still a fraction of the price on a rifle that is not designed for mass casualties. dilby Jun 2016 #91

a song to guns: aint no corpse pile high enough to keep me from getting to you (sorry Diana) nt msongs Jun 2016 #3

For the record, I love me some guns but they're power and demand great responsibility. sir pball Jun 2016 #4

+1 Odin2005 Jun 2016 #16

I get nothing but positive responses for this... fleabiscuit Jun 2016 #86

Um...well, how about German gun laws instead? sir pball Jun 2016 #132

When ever you say never to high technology it comes back to haunt you. ~ Dean Kamen fleabiscuit Jun 2016 #175

Aaaaaaaaaand there it is. linuxman Jun 2016 #9

The problem is that a lot of urban liberals don't know much about guns. Odin2005 Jun 2016 #20

Speaking of ignorant: jonno99 Jun 2016 #29

Wow DashOneBravo Jun 2016 #38

Wow, what an insult to vets, rape survivors, and others with actual PTSD. Odin2005 Jun 2016 #50

Strange. I fired an AK-47 several times. Hardly any kick. Complete destruction... Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #63

That's what I call good, clean fun. jonno99 Jun 2016 #78

The can stood right there, thought I had missed. Hit it 4 times. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #87

I understand the kick is more brutal on full rock and roll. malthaussen Jun 2016 #156

I only fired semi, but it was nicely set up and it fit me well. Not bad Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #176

Shooting a Lone Star can seems just ... wrong. JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2016 #174

Agree on the bottles, but when on a deer hunt, and charged with clean-up... Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #177

Understood, cans are easier to pick up than broken glass... JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2016 #178

I learned to put about 90% of shots on a man sized target at 500 meters with iron sights Fumesucker Jun 2016 #30

Same, only it was an m16. linuxman Jun 2016 #32

You are asking the wrong question. Aerows Jun 2016 #60

I'd rather nobody take a shot at me, personally. linuxman Jun 2016 #70

Again, you aren't asking the right question. n/t Aerows Jun 2016 #71

Which is what, this time? linuxman Jun 2016 #74

It's clearly pointless Aerows Jun 2016 #75

Irony, thy name is aerows. linuxman Jun 2016 #80

And, once again ... Aerows Jun 2016 #81

Should cops be allowed to have these? A HERETIC I AM Jun 2016 #10

Ask Orlando. jmg257 Jun 2016 #12

I'm asking the OP A HERETIC I AM Jun 2016 #14

Out of curiosity metalbot Jun 2016 #21

I think it's a rifle equipped to kill people from a long distance A HERETIC I AM Jun 2016 #22

That makes it clearer metalbot Jun 2016 #25

Nonsense A HERETIC I AM Jun 2016 #33

I have to agree to this but would like to add... Matt_R Jun 2016 #119

To kill citizens in case the cops lost the upper hand? FuzzyRabbit Jun 2016 #129

Many police departments have sniper teams Matrosov Jun 2016 #34

"What the ever living fuck does a police department need with such a weapon?" EX500rider Jun 2016 #76

What -- ARs? Or tripods? Or scopes? Straw Man Jun 2016 #124

Bolt action with 5 rounds? Not a big deal. When 30 round mags come out, then worry. nt jmg257 Jun 2016 #11

This is what I don't get about the gun debate... Odin2005 Jun 2016 #15

There's a greater irony about the concern over civilian weapons being military grade metalbot Jun 2016 #27

IIRC one of the "robber barons" purposefully sold the Union army shoddy guns... Odin2005 Jun 2016 #49

During the Civil War the (limited) adoption of repeaters was because Lincoln overrode the Army. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #128

The Model 700 is designed for killing game animals. Paladin Jun 2016 #17

They're functionally the same gun. Odin2005 Jun 2016 #18

The fantasies attached to each style of firearm are markedly different. Paladin Jun 2016 #24

hopefully not literally in the closet, you should store them securely Amishman Jun 2016 #26

I'm not getting your point DashOneBravo Jun 2016 #37

The vast majority of people are capable of differentiating fantasy from reality. Odin2005 Jun 2016 #51

So products should be banned based on the fantasies they inspire? n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #53

I guess we should ban Call of Duty and Grand Theft Auto, too, based on that logic. Odin2005 Jun 2016 #54

Or place an $11,000 price tag on it to make it even more of a public threat. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #61

If you are talking about THIS Model 2010 for hunting deer... Ghost in the Machine Jun 2016 #41

Has anyone advocated for more then 5 rounds when hunting? I get your concern, jmg257 Jun 2016 #42

No, I was just pointing out that the statement that you could deer hunt with this gun was wrong, at Ghost in the Machine Jun 2016 #48

So few places have that shotgun-only restriction ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #136

In some States, the "Shotgun Only" restriction wouldn't work, either... Ghost in the Machine Jun 2016 #166

You missed my point, all I was saying was that both are at their core the same gun. Odin2005 Jun 2016 #55

I get the point about the cosmetics, I made a similar post on facebook earlier this week comparing a Ghost in the Machine Jun 2016 #165

Huh? Straw Man Jun 2016 #130

No, I don't have a link. going by what the Game Warden said, and what the Hunter's Safety Instructor Ghost in the Machine Jun 2016 #168

OK, thanks. Straw Man Jun 2016 #169

Yes, I think it's an NWTF rule on the 3 rounds. I downloaded and looked through the .pdf link, and a Ghost in the Machine Jun 2016 #172

Yeah, instructors might not be keeping up ... Straw Man Jun 2016 #173

Both the Remington M700 and the Winchester M70 were used as sniper rifle by the military. oneshooter Jun 2016 #97

Not just functionally, but legally. sir pball Jun 2016 #135

Both the Army and the Marines adopted the Model 700 as their standard sniper rifles hack89 Jun 2016 #19

"Appropriate fantasies accompany each model of rifle." Psychic are we? lol EX500rider Jun 2016 #77

Better a neighbor who has both, than one who believes guns have mind control properties Marengo Jun 2016 #88

Ouch! nt jonno99 Jun 2016 #154

Thats a nice looking weapon. GOLGO 13 Jun 2016 #23

Sniper rifles are a must. Never know when you need to shoot unarmed fleeing kid at 300 yards in back Hoyt Jun 2016 #28

Which one can't be used to engage a target at 300 yards? Marengo Jun 2016 #31

Actually, Marengo, I'm not much into "engaging" citizens with your beloved gunz. Believe it or not, Hoyt Jun 2016 #39

Another non-answer. Try again, which rifle is not capable of hitting a target at 300 yards? Marengo Jun 2016 #40

Where did you go Hoyt? Why are you avoiding post #40? Marengo Jun 2016 #89

Because it is an ignorant question. When gunners buy a rifle marketed as a "sniper" Hoyt Jun 2016 #93

In other words, you can't answer as that fatally weakens your argument. Marengo Jun 2016 #94

What is the substantial performance difference between the two at 300 yards Hoyt? Marengo Jun 2016 #96

I don't give a darn about the performance. I do care about yahoos who buy a gun marketed as Hoyt Jun 2016 #98

Which one doesn't have a 300 yard range, Hoyt? Marengo Jun 2016 #101

I'm a long range target shooter Hoyt, and the design of the M2010 is appealing... Marengo Jun 2016 #116

Well, you can give up your "hobby" for the good of society. Hoyt Jun 2016 #141

That isn't an answer. I thought you were okay with folks having a couple... Marengo Jun 2016 #142

Do you not know what hunting is? Odin2005 Jun 2016 #56

I'll bet my ass right now, not 15% of the yahoos that covet sniper rifles hunt with the damn things Hoyt Jun 2016 #58

Is this a serious claim? SuperDutyTX Jun 2016 #62

Here's how Barrett advertises their sniper rifles to yahoos. Not a friggin thing about hunting. Hoyt Jun 2016 #65

Right that's how they've chosen to market that, but.. SuperDutyTX Jun 2016 #66

Yeah, you don't have to reload as often when shooting people on the perimeter of one's compound. Hoyt Jun 2016 #67

DC sniper AntiBank Jun 2016 #170

to be fair SuperDutyTX Jun 2016 #171

Here's how Barrett markets a sniper rifles to stateside yahoos, nothing about hunting. Hoyt Jun 2016 #64

So, umm, how many people have been murdered with one? Do let us know... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #73

Well ask police departments, and check out militia groups. Hoyt Jun 2016 #82

Why should I? You are the person implying that they are dangerous friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #92

It's been two days, and so far the only harm demonstrated is to your sensibilities friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #179

Which one more resembles the rifle most often used by Carlos Hathcock? Marengo Jun 2016 #95

You're flailing. Give it a rest. (nt) Paladin Jun 2016 #99

How about you answer the question? Which one of the two rifles pictured in the OP Marengo Jun 2016 #104

The 700 was closer to what Carlos used. The additional bells and whistles weren't available to him. Paladin Jun 2016 #107

So, other than for bells and whistles, no substantial difference in ballistic performance? Marengo Jun 2016 #110

Does that mean anyone who uses a 700 (or Win 70 as he actually used, or any other... Marengo Jun 2016 #115

I'm posing the same question to you as I did to Hoyt in post #116. Marengo Jun 2016 #118

No, you're doing a frantic technical dance to avoid the really important question: Paladin Jun 2016 #143

That isn't an answer, but I'll take it as acknowledgment that you agree... Marengo Jun 2016 #144

I've answered your questions. Have the courtesy to answer mine. (nt) Paladin Jun 2016 #145

No, you haven't. You either overlooked or avoided my question... Marengo Jun 2016 #146

It appears posts 109, 110, 112, & 115 are pending responses from you. Marengo Jun 2016 #147

I'll take that as a chickenshit cop-out by you. Many thanks. (nt) Paladin Jun 2016 #148

If you had time to type this bail-out, you had time to answer #146... Marengo Jun 2016 #149

They want their aesthetic judgements encoded into law, yet are reluctant... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #181

And, while you're at it, explain the substantial difference in performance between the two platforms Marengo Jun 2016 #106

Well, the available jerkoff feature on the "sniper" model has its charms....... (nt) Paladin Jun 2016 #108

How about ballistic performance? Marengo Jun 2016 #109

Ergonomic enhancements are "jerkoff" features? Marengo Jun 2016 #112

This one. oneshooter Jun 2016 #100

Hmmmm...sure looks a lot more like a deer rifle than the M2010 Marengo Jun 2016 #105

It is a Winchester M70 with a heavy barrel oneshooter Jun 2016 #111

I know, USMC vet here. Marengo Jun 2016 #114

Ah, so it really is how a rifle looks. sir pball Jun 2016 #134

That appears to be the argument. Appearance determines intent. Performance on the other hand... Marengo Jun 2016 #152

Maybe the argument is "appearence determines appeal." malthaussen Jun 2016 #157

Lets muddy the waters by conflating sniper vs assault rifles. arendt Jun 2016 #35

"Assault rifles are semi-auto, easily converted to full auto." No, no they are not. EX500rider Jun 2016 #79

High Time DustyJoe Jun 2016 #36

The weapon used in the Orlando massacre is used by US special forces. Rex Jun 2016 #43

This message was self-deleted by its author Adrahil Jun 2016 #84

No, it isn't. Straw Man Jun 2016 #137

Yeah, semi-autos don't kill fast enough. Full-auto, or semi-auto, kill plenty quickly. Hoyt Jun 2016 #140

What's your point, Hoyt? Straw Man Jun 2016 #150

Waste of time, those that worship the Death Culture that comes with assault rifles Rex Jun 2016 #162

Wrong it is custom made for special forces, I bet you don't even know what I am talking about. Rex Jun 2016 #161

I know exactly what you're talking about, ... Straw Man Jun 2016 #167

Every gun lover is a potential terrorist, a potential suicide, an accident waiting to happen. hunter Jun 2016 #44

+1. I would like to see bumper stickers -- "PISS ON GUNS." Hoyt Jun 2016 #59

That would be great. Straw Man Jun 2016 #138

I bet I'd get more thumbs up than you guys and your NRA bumper stickers. Hoyt Jun 2016 #139

Ah, yes. Straw Man Jun 2016 #151

Bravo mwrguy Jun 2016 #68

How about people like me that own them but don't love them? Throd Jun 2016 #69

Why would you do that? hunter Jun 2016 #85

So is every driver of a motor vehicle. oneshooter Jun 2016 #102

I loathe automobiles. hunter Jun 2016 #113

Have you communicated your concerns about these potential terrorists to the FBI? Marengo Jun 2016 #120

Oh bother. hunter Jun 2016 #121

Oh, so you don't actually believe it and are spouting shit... Marengo Jun 2016 #122

Piss on guns. hunter Jun 2016 #123

So, yes, you acknowledge it's bullshit. Marengo Jun 2016 #127

Or, maybe you lack the courage of your convictions. What are you waiting for? Marengo Jun 2016 #126

Every drinker is a potential drunk driver!!!! NT Adrahil Jun 2016 #153

This is true. And we can use the same social pressures and legal remedies to reduce gun violence... hunter Jun 2016 #158

By the same token, we don't shame people who enjoy the occasional beer or rum. Adrahil Jun 2016 #159

All twelve of them. hunter Jun 2016 #160

The problem is ALL drunk-drivers are recreational drunks. Adrahil Jun 2016 #163

Look. I AM ANGRY. There's a horrible tragedy in a community I care deeply about and what happens? hunter Jun 2016 #164

This message was self-deleted by its author friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #180

Cool, but I'm not a good enough shot to get something like this. NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #46

Thats ok. I ain't much of a wingshot. n/t oneshooter Jun 2016 #103

That Rem 700 is almost exactly like my deer rifle. I like wood, but if Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #72

I'm giving serious consideration to getting the new Ruger Precision Rifle. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #117

Crap, I just noticed you mentioned big ARs. sir pball Jul 2016 #182

The Holy Thunderer (Frank Zappa) 45-70 has a rep for bear hunting. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #183