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In reply to the discussion: Mark Lane, JFK assassination expert, has died. [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)111. Thank you, PAMod. Please know I very much appreciate your perspectives.
Gen. Patton was wont to say to his staff while planning for a battle or exercise: "If everyone is thinking alike, nobody is doing any thinking."
Getting other perspectives is how we learn. For example, the following was published in the Washington Post and, evidently, few other newspapers at the time:
Limit CIA Role To Intelligence
By Harry S Truman
The Washington Post, December 22, 1963 - page A11
INDEPENDENCE, MO., Dec. 21 I think it has become necessary to take another look at the purpose and operations of our Central Intelligence AgencyCIA. At least, I would like to submit here the original reason why I thought it necessary to organize this Agency during my Administration, what I expected it to do and how it was to operate as an arm of the President.
I think it is fairly obvious that by and large a President's performance in office is as effective as the information he has and the information he gets. That is to say, that assuming the President himself possesses a knowledge of our history, a sensitive understanding of our institutions, and an insight into the needs and aspirations of the people, he needs to have available to him the most accurate and up-to-the-minute information on what is going on everywhere in the world, and particularly of the trends and developments in all the danger spots in the contest between East and West. This is an immense task and requires a special kind of an intelligence facility.
Of course, every President has available to him all the information gathered by the many intelligence agencies already in existence. The Departments of State, Defense, Commerce, Interior and others are constantly engaged in extensive information gathering and have done excellent work.
But their collective information reached the President all too frequently in conflicting conclusions. At times, the intelligence reports tended to be slanted to conform to established positions of a given department. This becomes confusing and what's worse, such intelligence is of little use to a President in reaching the right decisions.
Therefore, I decided to set up a special organization charged with the collection of all intelligence reports from every available source, and to have those reports reach me as President without department "treatment" or interpretations.
I wanted and needed the information in its "natural raw" state and in as comprehensive a volume as it was practical for me to make full use of it. But the most important thing about this move was to guard against the chance of intelligence being used to influence or to lead the President into unwise decisionsand I thought it was necessary that the President do his own thinking and evaluating.
Since the responsibility for decision making was histhen he had to be sure that no information is kept from him for whatever reason at the discretion of any one department or agency, or that unpleasant facts be kept from him. There are always those who would want to shield a President from bad news or misjudgments to spare him from being "upset."
For some time I have been disturbed by the way CIA has been diverted from its original assignment. It has become an operational and at times a policy-making arm of the Government. This has led to trouble and may have compounded our difficulties in several explosive areas.
I never had any thought that when I set up the CIA that it would be injected into peacetime cloak and dagger operations. Some of the complications and embarrassment I think we have experienced are in part attributable to the fact that this quiet intelligence arm of the President has been so removed from its intended role that it is being interpreted as a symbol of sinister and mysterious foreign intrigueand a subject for cold war enemy propaganda.
With all the nonsense put out by Communist propaganda about "Yankee imperialism," "exploitive capitalism," "war-mongering," "monopolists," in their name-calling assault on the West, the last thing we needed was for the CIA to be seized upon as something akin to a subverting influence in the affairs of other people.
I well knew the first temporary director of the CIA, Adm. Souers, and the later permanent directors of the CIA, Gen. Hoyt Vandenberg and Allen Dulles. These were men of the highest character, patriotism and integrityand I assume this is true of all those who continue in charge.
But there are now some searching questions that need to be answered. I, therefore, would like to see the CIA be restored to its original assignment as the intelligence arm of the President, and that whatever else it can properly perform in that special fieldand that its operational duties be terminated or properly used elsewhere.
We have grown up as a nation, respected for our free institutions and for our ability to maintain a free and open society. There is something about the way the CIA has been functioning that is casting a shadow over our historic position and I feel that we need to correct it.
SOURCE: http://www.maebrussell.com/Prouty/Harry%20Truman's%20CIA%20article.html
So. One month after the assassination, President Truman expressed public concern CIA had strayed off the reservation from intelligence gathering of foreign news sources to cloak-and-dagger operations. Time -- and the Church Committee -- has since shown CIA operated, illegally, domestically.
Allen Dulles, on behalf of CIA, even asked Truman to retract it. From Ray McGovern...
Fox Guarding Hen House
The well-connected Dulles got himself appointed to the Warren Commission and took the lead in shaping the investigation of JFKs assassination.
Documents in the Truman Library show that he then mounted a small domestic covert action of his own to neutralize any future airing of Trumans and Souerss warnings about covert action.
So important was this to Dulles that he invented a pretext to get himself invited to visit Truman in Independence, Missouri. On the afternoon of April 17, 1964, Dulles spent a half-hour trying to get the former President to retract what he had said in his op-ed. No dice, said Truman.
No problem, thought Dulles. Four days later, in a formal memo for his old buddy Lawrence Houston, CIA General Counsel from 1947 to 1973, Dulles fabricated a private retraction, claiming that Truman told him the Washington Post article was all wrong, and that Truman seemed quite astounded at it.
No doubt Dulles thought it might be handy to have such a memo in CIA files, just in case.
A fabricated retraction? It certainly seems so, because Truman did not change his tune. Far from it.
In a June 10, 1964, letter to the managing editor of Look magazine, for example, Truman restated his critique of covert action, emphasizing that he never intended the CIA to get involved in strange activities.
CONTINUED...
SOURCE: http://www.consortiumnews.com/2009/122909b.html
Democracy. Thank you, no matter what, for caring about it, PAMod.
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Take a close look at his role in Jonestown. Pure batshit crazy to put it mildly.
hack89
May 2016
#47
How about the establishment documents of the CIA. It expressly prohibits operations inside the US.
Zen Democrat
May 2016
#51
George H.W. Bush should be considered a suspect, based on what he told the FBI.
Octafish
May 2016
#6
You are the most clueless CS poster on this board. Almost a parody of CS everywhere. nt
Logical
May 2016
#99
Truman criticized CIA after the assassination of JFK. Fired CIA boss Dulles demanded retraction.
Octafish
May 2016
#45
that's right-- thanks for the reminder. I heard him interviewed a few years back
Fast Walker 52
May 2016
#65
There is NO credible evidence that Oswald shot at JFK, much less killed him.
Zen Democrat
May 2016
#53
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I'm a realist and a student of history and our times.
Zen Democrat
May 2016
#89
You compared discussing the assassination of President Kennedy to beating a dead horse.
Octafish
May 2016
#71
It's telling that the members of the Warren Commission are silent about his passing.
Kaleva
May 2016
#75
You are most welcome, JonLeibowitz! I very much appreciate that you understand and care.
Octafish
May 2016
#113
My condolences. I know from your posts, he was an important figure in your life.
MerryBlooms
May 2016
#77
I don't know. Do know the guy who did is dead by gunshot under suspicious circumstances.
Octafish
May 2016
#93
It's truly sad to see someone who dedicated his life to crackpot "theories" pass away
YoungDemCA
May 2016
#97