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Octafish

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86. Great book. Great case. And E. Howard Hunt was a real piece of wetwork.
Sat May 14, 2016, 03:31 PM
May 2016

Hunt was mad as hell that Marchetti named him as one involved in the assassination. Hunt's own family thought he was in Dallas on November 22, 1963. Something else that's telling:

As an employee of the Nixon administration, E. Howard Hunt planted phony cables in a White House safe to implicate JFK in the assassination of South Vietnamese President Diem.



SOURCE: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1350&dat=19730508&id=8ghPAAAAIBAJ&sjid=RAIEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4888,5163727

Hunt was a professional disinformationist. His boss at CIA, Richard Helms also spread stories like Robert Kennedy was ordering hits on Castro when Helms was doing so "on his own authority."



That's a dirty trick of the treasonous kind.

Here' E Howard Hunt talks about his business -- check out before the archives get scrubbed:

http://web.archive.org/web/20041109091003/http://slate.msn.com/id/2107718/

A little-remembered association of Hunt: He worked for Averell Harriman, close business associate of Prescott Bush and Allen Dulles.



Killer Political Instincts

By Linda Minor
April 14, 2005
Sanders Research Associates Ltd.
Issues & Answers

EXCERPT…

Between 1968 and 1970, Chuck Colson and E. Howard Hunt, both alumni of Brown University—Hunt in the class of 1940 and Colson a 1953 grad—were seeing each other on a regular basis. Hunt had become a naval officer and an agent of the Office of Strategic Services from 1943 until its demise. A Guggenheim fellowship then paid him to travel in Mexico while writing his first novel (later a best-seller), before landing a job on the staff of Ambassador Averell Harriman, then a partner of Prescott Bush at Brown Brothers, Harriman.

In 1948 Hunt left Harriman’s employ, recruited into the Central Intelligence Agency by Frank Wisner. In the meantime, he had married one of Harriman’s secretaries, who had spent the war years in Bern, Switzerland in the Treasury Department’s Hidden Assets Division, looking for hidden Nazi assets. Coincidentally, or not, it was Bern where later C.I.A. chairman Allen Dulles spent the war years. Hunt thus had very powerful references on his resume!

By the end of April 1970 all details fell in place for Hunt’s “retirement” from the C.I.A., and his employment one day later at Mullen & Company. According to Hunt in his autobiography, Undercover, he got the job through the “CIA’s placement service,” and was told by the placement officer that “the Mullen firm had ‘cooperated’ with CIA in the past.

After Hunt was installed at his new office, Mullen sold his firm to Robert F. Bennett. Though miffed by the change in management, Hunt was stroked by Colson, who only a few months later telephoned him with the opportunity of a lifetime, to work at the White House. In July 1971 Hunt was hired to work on Colson’s staff as a consultant on a part-time basis until the end of the 1972 election, while still maintaining his position with Mullen & Company.

SOURCE (busted link):

http://www.sandersresearch.com/Sanders/NewsManager/ShowNewsGen.aspx?NewsID=1173



Harriman was one of the players in the debacle in South Vietnam.

Capitalism's Invisible Army must've thought otherwise. From DU2:

'Arrogant' CIA Disobeys Orders in Viet Nam



A bit of history from the last weeks of President Kennedy's life,
courtesy of The Education Forum by DUer John Simkin :



'SPOOKS' MAKE LIFE MISERABLE FOR AMBASSADOR LODGE

'Arrogant' CIA Disobeys Orders in Viet Nam


Richard Starnes
The Washington Daily News, Wednesday, October 2, 1963, p.3

SAIGON, Oct.2 - The story of the Central Intelligence Agency's role in South Viet Nam is a dismal chronicle of bureaucratic arrogance, obstinate disregard of orders, and unrestrained thirst for power.

Twice the CIA flatly refused to carry out instructions from Ambassador Henry Cabot Lodge, according to a high United States source here.

In one of these instances the CIA frustrated a plan of action Mr. Lodge brought with him from Washington because the agency disagreed with it.

This led to a dramatic confrontation between Mr. Lodge and John Richardson, chief of the huge CIA apparatus here. Mr. Lodge failed to move Mr. Richardson, and the dispute was bucked back to Washington. Secretary of State Dean Rusk and CIA Chief John A. McCone were unable to resolve the conflict, and the matter is now reported to be awaiting settlement by President Kennedy.

It is one of the developments expected to be covered in Defense Secretary Robert McNamara's report to Mr. Kennedy.

Others Critical, Too

Other American agencies here are incredibly bitter about the CIA.

"If the United States ever experiences a 'Seven Days in May' it will come from the CIA, and not from the Pentagon," one U.S. official commented caustically.

("Seven Days in May" is a fictional account of an attempted military coup to take over the U.S. Government.)

CIA "spooks" (a universal term for secret agents here) have penetrated every branch of the American community in Saigon, until non-spook Americans here almost seem to be suffering a CIA psychosis.

An American field officer with a distinguished combat career speaks angrily about "that man at headquarters in Saigon wearing a colonel's uniform." He means the man is a CIA agent, and he can't understand what he is doing at U.S. military headquarters here, unless it is spying on other Americans.

Another American officer, talking about the CIA, acidly commented: "You'd think they'd have learned something from Cuba but apparently they didn't."

Few Know CIA Strength

Few people other than Mr. Richardson and his close aides know the actual CIA strength here, but a widely used figure is 600. Many are clandestine agents known only to a few of their fellow spooks.

Even Mr. Richardson is a man about whom it is difficult to learn much in Saigon. He is said to be a former OSS officer, and to have served with distinction in the CIA in the Philippines.

A surprising number of the spooks are known to be involved in their ghostly trade and some make no secret of it.

"There are a number of spooks in the U.S. Information Service, in the U.S. Operations mission, in every aspect of American official and commercial life here, " one official - presumably a non-spook - said.

"They represent a tremendous power and total unaccountability to anyone," he added.

Coupled with the ubiquitous secret police of Ngo Dinh Nhu, a surfeit of spooks has given Saigon an oppressive police state atmosphere.

The Nhu-Richardson relationship is a subject of lively speculation. The CIA continues to pay the special forces which conducted brutal raids on Buddhist temples last Aug. 21, altho in fairness it should be pointed out that the CIA is paying these goons for the war against communist guerillas, not Buddhist bonzes (priests).

Hand Over Millions

Nevertheless, on the first of every month, the CIA dutifully hands over a quarter million American dollars to pay these special forces.

Whatever else it buys, it doesn't buy any solid information on what the special forces are up to. The Aug. 21 raids caught top U.S. officials here and in Washington flat-footed.

Nhu ordered the special forces to crush the Buddhist priests, but the CIA wasn't let in on the secret. (Some CIA button men now say they warned their superiors what was coming up, but in any event the warning of harsh repression was never passed to top officials here or in Washington.)

Consequently, Washington reacted unsurely to the crisis. Top officials here and at home were outraged at the news the CIA was paying the temple raiders, but the CIA continued the payments.

It may not be a direct subsidy for a religious war against the country's Buddhist majority, but it comes close to that.

And for every State Department aide here who will tell you, "Dammit, the CIA is supposed to gather information, not make policy, but policy-making is what they're doing here," there are military officers who scream over the way the spooks dabble in military operations.

A Typical Example

For example, highly trained trail watchers are an important part of the effort to end Viet Cong infiltration from across the Laos and Cambodia borders. But if the trailer watchers spot incoming Viet Congs, they report it to the CIA in Saigon, and in the fullness of time, the spooks may tell the military.

One very high American official here, a man who has spent much of his life in the service of democracy, likened the CIA's growth to a malignancy, and added he was not sure even the White House could control it any longer.

Unquestionably Mr. McNamara and Gen. Maxwell Taylor both got an earful from people who are beginning to fear the CIA is becoming a Third Force co-equal with President Diem's regime and the U.S. Government - and answerable to neither.

There is naturally the highest interest here as to whether Mr. McNamara will persuade Mr. Kennedy something ought to be done about it.

SOURCE:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=7534&mode=threaded



ADDENDUM from Education Forum writer:



“The most important consequence of the Cold War remains the least discussed. How and why American democracy died lies beyond the scope of this introductory essay. It is enough to note that the CIA revolt against the presidency of John Fitzgerald Kennedy – the single event which did more than any other to hasten its end – was, quite contrary to over forty years of censorship and deceit, both publicly anticipated and publicly opposed.

No American journalist worked more bravely to thwart the anticipated revolt than Scripps-Howard’s Richard Starnes. His ‘reward’ was effectively to become a non-person, not just in the work of mainstream fellow-journalists and historians, but also that of nominally oppositional Kennedy assassination writers. It could have been worse: John J. McCone, Director of Central Intelligence, sought his instant dismissal; while others within the agency doubtless had more drastic punishment in mind, almost certainly of the kind meted out to CBS’ George Polk fifteen years earlier.

This time, shrewder agency minds prevailed. Senator Dodd was given a speech to read by the CIA denouncing Starnes in everything but name. William F. Buckley, Jr., suddenly occupied an adjacent column. In short, Starnes was allowed to live, even as his Scripps-Howard career was put under overt and intense CIA scrutiny - and quietly, systematically, withered on the Mockingbird vine.”

From “Light on a Dry Shadow,” the preface to ‘Arrogant’ CIA: The Selected Scripps-Howard Journalism of Richard T. Starnes, 1960-1965 (provisionally scheduled for self-publication in November 2006).

As far as I am aware, the remarkable example (above) of what Claud Cockburn called “preventative journalism” has never appeared in its entirety anywhere on the internet. Instead, readers have had to make do with the next-day riposte of the NYT’s Arthur Krock. The latter, it should be noted, was a veteran CIA-mouthpiece and messenger boy.

Dick Starnes was 85 on July 4, 2006. He remains, in bucolic retirement, a wonderfully fluent and witty writer; and as good a friend as any Englishman could wish for.

I dedicate the despatch’s web debut to Judy Mann, in affectionate remembrance.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=7534



The Education Forum is an outstanding resource for those interested in President Kennedy, his administration, and his assassination.

From what we've learned in the last few years is that Lodge also was disregarding orders -- from President Kennedy.

More here:

Vietnam and Iraq Wars Started by Same People

Know your BFEE: Hitler s Bankers Shaped Vietnam War

JFK Would NEVER Have Fallen for Phony INTEL!

Thank you for caring and remembering, avebury!
Interesting life. His role in Jonestown is certainly eye opening. nt hack89 May 2016 #1
Mark Lane was a Social Justice Warrior before there was such a term. Octafish May 2016 #14
He was also crazy as a loon, at least in regards to his role in Jonestown. hack89 May 2016 #19
The CIA instructed its ''Media Assets'' to demonize Mark Lane in 1967. Octafish May 2016 #31
Not according to your link hack89 May 2016 #33
Links go to the document. Octafish May 2016 #39
I don't know if it it illegal or not. hack89 May 2016 #40
Yes. CIA by law was limited to overseas operations, no domestic operations. Octafish May 2016 #41
Ok. Mark Lane was still a loon however. nt hack89 May 2016 #44
That's what you and CIA wrote. That's not what history shows. Octafish May 2016 #46
Take a close look at his role in Jonestown. Pure batshit crazy to put it mildly. hack89 May 2016 #47
Please show how. Octafish May 2016 #49
Sure hack89 May 2016 #50
Doesn't seem loony, considering CIA works its magic on Wikipedia. Octafish May 2016 #56
So working with a mad man in the jungles to brainwash a bunch of people hack89 May 2016 #60
But Lane didn't do any of that, did he? Octafish May 2016 #61
ok. nt hack89 May 2016 #62
You don't know what you're talking about. milestogo May 2016 #67
He was a genuine conspiracy theory peddling nut case. hack89 May 2016 #69
Not at all. Ask Robert K. Tanenbaum. Octafish May 2016 #84
How about the establishment documents of the CIA. It expressly prohibits operations inside the US. Zen Democrat May 2016 #51
Did he die under "mysterious circumstances?" nt firebrand80 May 2016 #2
It was the BFEE, obviously. Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #3
George H.W. Bush should be considered a suspect, based on what he told the FBI. Octafish May 2016 #6
TL;DR Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #7
Nothing says, ''I don't have a clue'' as your post. Octafish May 2016 #8
The BFEE made me do it. Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #9
Those are FBI documents. Octafish May 2016 #11
Cool story. Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #12
Learn then: JFK had to order Hoover to integrate the FBI. Octafish May 2016 #17
"Important parts of history" Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #18
I'll take Dick Gregory over Dr Hobbitstein of DU any day. Octafish May 2016 #20
We also know you love some Paul Craig Roberts. Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #21
I've never called him a douche, if that's what you mean. Octafish May 2016 #22
Confidence in the government? rperlberg May 2016 #73
That's the Thing. Octafish May 2016 #74
So you come in here and crap in the thread...stay classy. Rex May 2016 #35
You are the most clueless CS poster on this board. Almost a parody of CS everywhere. nt Logical May 2016 #99
Personal attacks are so you, Logical. Octafish May 2016 #102
oh for god's sake... how pathetic Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #24
There are very pathetic people that post here and support the Bush family. Rex May 2016 #36
Pure unmitigated ignorance. Zen Democrat May 2016 #55
ALCOA! NuclearDem May 2016 #30
He suffered a heart attack. Octafish May 2016 #15
I Never Actually Thought RobinA May 2016 #23
With all respect, I do have a problem with the lone loser theory. Octafish May 2016 #28
I Think RobinA May 2016 #25
This I will tell you: Your life is better for Mark Lane having lived. Octafish May 2016 #94
"expert"? FLPanhandle May 2016 #4
Bertrand Russell respected Mark Lane. Octafish May 2016 #16
Damn. They finally got him. (nt) Nye Bevan May 2016 #5
Did you hear about Cheney and CIA Assassination cover-up? Octafish May 2016 #29
Hmmmm. Gidney N Cloyd May 2016 #10
Truman criticized CIA after the assassination of JFK. Fired CIA boss Dulles demanded retraction. Octafish May 2016 #45
RIP Mark Lane GreatGazoo May 2016 #13
very interesting yourpaljoey May 2016 #27
They couldn't out-think him, so they had to smear Mark Lane. Octafish May 2016 #70
he lived a long and important life Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #26
He did. Another important eyewitness is still with us: Abraham BOLDEN Octafish May 2016 #63
that's right-- thanks for the reminder. I heard him interviewed a few years back Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #65
His book Plausible Denial is a pretty interestin read. avebury May 2016 #32
Great book. Great case. And E. Howard Hunt was a real piece of wetwork. Octafish May 2016 #86
The funny thing about the Hunt lawsuit is that, based on Hunt's testimony, avebury May 2016 #88
Mark Lane arrives at the pearly gates Capt. Obvious May 2016 #34
Dont give up your day job HOPNOSH May 2016 #37
I thought it was pretty funny (nt) Nye Bevan May 2016 #43
LOL nt Tommy_Carcetti May 2016 #48
Now THAT is a funny joke. nt Dreamer Tatum May 2016 #58
I laughed Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #66
I see the DU children are happy he died, why are they so pathetic Octafish? Rex May 2016 #38
Their pathetic nature is due to their ignorance. Octafish May 2016 #72
Mark Lane was a kook. Archae May 2016 #42
There is NO credible evidence that Oswald shot at JFK, much less killed him. Zen Democrat May 2016 #53
I've studied the murder of JFK since I was 15 years old. Zen Democrat May 2016 #54
What do you want for your 16th birthday? nt Dreamer Tatum May 2016 #59
*snort* NuclearDem May 2016 #64
Lee Harvey Oswald killed Mark Lane!!! Fozzledick May 2016 #68
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I'm a realist and a student of history and our times. Zen Democrat May 2016 #89
You're not very good at recognizing sarcasm though. Fozzledick May 2016 #90
Lane said the only evidence linking Oswald was CE399. Octafish May 2016 #114
Excellent summation. FTR: Gen. LeMay lied about his whereabouts. Octafish May 2016 #115
You compared discussing the assassination of President Kennedy to beating a dead horse. Octafish May 2016 #71
Here. Archae May 2016 #78
Get a copy of Barry and the Boys by Daniel Hopsicker....the story lives on. ViseGrip May 2016 #52
David Ferrie, Barry Seal and Lee Oswald: Patsies or Participants? Octafish May 2016 #105
Sorry dear O-fish….. blm May 2016 #57
Thank you for your kindness, blm. Octafish May 2016 #82
((Octafish)) blm May 2016 #83
It's telling that the members of the Warren Commission are silent about his passing. Kaleva May 2016 #75
Why honor a peddler of conspiratorial BS? YoungDemCA May 2016 #96
The commissioners all have passed. Some staff are still with us. Octafish May 2016 #108
Excellent information, Octafish, thanks for posting. JonLeibowitz May 2016 #76
You are most welcome, JonLeibowitz! I very much appreciate that you understand and care. Octafish May 2016 #113
My condolences. I know from your posts, he was an important figure in your life. MerryBlooms May 2016 #77
Thank you for your kindness, MerryBlooms. Octafish May 2016 #81
K&R!!!!!! burrowowl May 2016 #79
Here's an excellent radio interview with Mr. Lane via Project CENSORED Octafish May 2016 #92
My first memories of Mark Lane was from the 1967 interview Duppers May 2016 #80
Thank you very much, Duppers. Here's what James DiEugenio wrote last week... Octafish May 2016 #110
Wow! Thanks for posting that article link and... Duppers May 2016 #112
This sounds fishy to me. I bet he's still alive. Gomez163 May 2016 #85
Condolences to you & to his family, friends & followers - PAMod May 2016 #87
Thank you, PAMod. Please know I very much appreciate your perspectives. Octafish May 2016 #111
did he say anything about Cruz's father ? Laura PourMeADrink May 2016 #91
I don't know. Do know the guy who did is dead by gunshot under suspicious circumstances. Octafish May 2016 #93
Looks like "they" got another one! YoungDemCA May 2016 #95
Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, and CIA-Cuban “Deep Politics” Octafish May 2016 #100
It's truly sad to see someone who dedicated his life to crackpot "theories" pass away YoungDemCA May 2016 #97
Now THAT is asinine. Octafish May 2016 #101
I ASSUMED MURDERED!!!!!! The truth is out there!!!! nt Logical May 2016 #98
What do you know about Mark Lane? Octafish May 2016 #103
Sounds like a good man, but that does not mean he is right about jfk. Nt Logical May 2016 #104
So why do you have to insult his memory and smear his good name? Octafish May 2016 #109
Dalton Trumbo MinM May 2016 #106
Trumbo's lesson: The Right will do anything to get its way. Octafish May 2016 #107
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