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132. (Not sure why this isn't higher in the thread.. There are LOTS here

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Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:27 PM

Apr 2016

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Obama explains why there is no public option in Obamacare [View all] thesquanderer Apr 2016 OP

Riiiiighhhhhtttt hereforthevoting Apr 2016 #1

Fuck they didnt... Buddyblazon Apr 2016 #2

ACA makes it possible to tell an employer to screw themselves and not worry about pre-existing condi Hoyt Apr 2016 #35

Since when lsewpershad Apr 2016 #74

Here's just one source, but look back at history. Hoyt Apr 2016 #82

Fuck the ACA. It raised my taxes because I can't afford healthcare. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #153

All about you, the hell with uninsured that got coverage. Disgusting. Hoyt Apr 2016 #180

No, it's about us. Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #181

I live in a red state too. Glad to pay increased taxes for subsidies to poor, uninsured. Hoyt Apr 2016 #182

Do you have health insurance? n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #183

Remember, Corporations are people now...... Arizona Roadrunner Apr 2016 #3

Yup! Plucketeer Apr 2016 #68

And there are fewer and fewer people with jobs that provide health insurance, every year, djean111 Apr 2016 #4

He made a big error edhopper Apr 2016 #5

And meeting your annual deductible, changing jobs and having to start from scratch LiberalEsto Apr 2016 #13

Yep. progressoid Apr 2016 #184

No protesters in the street, no civil disobedience threats. I'd say he's right. randome Apr 2016 #6

You're right. He had 42 days and 10 Dems against him, and, we stayed off the streets. Festivito Apr 2016 #15

That's where the bar is set? It requires massive protests and civil yodermon Apr 2016 #20

There is no revolution when people sit at their computers and post on social media. randome Apr 2016 #43

Indeed. Congress passed the ACA with no public option... JayhawkSD Apr 2016 #48

So wouldn't that suggest Pressident Obama's assessment was correct? 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #77

Yes, it would. The folks here arguing against Obama are only succeeding in proving him right. stevenleser Apr 2016 #94

No it wouldn't. It's not even logical, much less comical. thesquanderer Apr 2016 #98

People are logical in their own minds, Hortensis Apr 2016 #159

I agree about also having to deal with some people's resistance to change thesquanderer Apr 2016 #165

That's what I wanted, but Obama Hortensis Apr 2016 #166

Not really. thesquanderer Apr 2016 #97

No ... I have NOT made this leap ... fortunate for you, the strawman broke your fall ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #115

Two different things... thesquanderer Apr 2016 #123

I didn't say "nobody cared about the PO" ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #129

No, but I thought you were agreeing with BO that essentially 85% of the people didn't care about it. thesquanderer Apr 2016 #133

Okay. Where we stand depends, largely, on where we sat ... before we stood. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #137

Fuck the ACA and the neoliberal horse it rode in on. Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #154

And fuck the millions with pre-existing conditions that, now, have healthcare financing ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #160

Outlawing pre-existing conditions was a good provision. Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #162

There are far more provision is the ACA than just pre-existing conditions ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #167

In the real world, people are rebelling against an unjust and corrupt bi-partisan conspiracy. Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #168

Okay we're done ... you have no connection to the real world. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #171

I do not value your opinion on that subject. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #172

I don't care. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #173

+1 n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #174

That isn't true. The sharing of ideas via media is an essential - and probably universal - RadiationTherapy Apr 2016 #86

When Reagan wanted something, he went on TV Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2016 #87

And the risk of arrest and losing your job awoke_in_2003 Apr 2016 #118

Heh, sometimes, not even then. HughBeaumont Apr 2016 #156

Have you read the paper Silver_Witch Apr 2016 #32

Yeah, but for what? To "get money out of politics"? What does that mean? randome Apr 2016 #41

re: "there needs to be something concise and specific to get the attention of...Congress" thesquanderer Apr 2016 #46

Ummm let me think? Silver_Witch Apr 2016 #54

I don't think demonstrations work anymore elljay Apr 2016 #61

Gosh I hope that is not true! Silver_Witch Apr 2016 #177

Boycotts elljay Apr 2016 #179

Boycotts might work. Silver_Witch Apr 2016 #187

Getting money out of politics means fully funded federal campaigns. Easy and cheap to do. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #158

Really. hfojvt Apr 2016 #80

Hard to lose 45 states when you're polling well ahead of every Republican opponent. thesquanderer Apr 2016 #99

We are given the option awoke_in_2003 Apr 2016 #119

I don't think the choices are that bad hfojvt Apr 2016 #136

Economically I don't see much difference awoke_in_2003 Apr 2016 #144

Try the next FOUR. HughBeaumont Apr 2016 #163

Yep awoke_in_2003 Apr 2016 #175

I call extreme bullshit! Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #157

First, there *were* big protests. Second, the Dems controlled both houses of Marr Apr 2016 #81

yes ibegurpard Apr 2016 #189

So your ideal system is one where we have to revolt to get any kind of policy change, every time? Rex Apr 2016 #139

My ideal system is supplanting oligarchy with American democracy. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #169

So to understand the will of the people... SHRED Apr 2016 #176

Especially not war. Just ask Dubya and His Gang. HughBeaumont Apr 2016 #185

They could have given the option for us to take or refuse NightWatcher Apr 2016 #7

It was close to passing. Lieberman wrecked it. Amimnoch Apr 2016 #53

Yes, that schmuck voted against Medicare at 55, too. n/t cureautismnow Apr 2016 #151

Yeah, no. EmperorHasNoClothes Apr 2016 #8

Heck I barely use mine because it's terrible and I know it astrophuss42 Apr 2016 #52

He knows both stories he just plays dumb. He's been very good at it. Enthusiast Apr 2016 #56

+1000000 SammyWinstonJack Apr 2016 #103

Wrong abelenkpe Apr 2016 #9

What a BS thing to say! Change jobs? Lose insurance Roland99 Apr 2016 #10

Another slow sad headshake for Obama yourpaljoey Apr 2016 #19

Obama's handling of the entire health care reform issue bluethruandthru Apr 2016 #11

When we realized there was to be no bully pulpit. Only Republicans had one of them. Enthusiast Apr 2016 #57

No kidding...talk about an invisible man, an empty suit... haikugal Apr 2016 #131

I remember being so happy, filled with hope. What kind of evil would it take to smother that? Enthusiast Apr 2016 #140

Oh, yeah, we just l-o-o-o-o-ve our $4000 deductible LiberalEsto Apr 2016 #12

I don't think so. It's because Big Insurance fought tooth & nail against it. Triana Apr 2016 #14

Big insurance collects free money every day. It's the biggest scam in the entire economy. Enthusiast Apr 2016 #51

Spot on LittleGirl Apr 2016 #79

Sorry Mr President, this is baloney! n/t Paper Roses Apr 2016 #16

Bullshit Stinky The Clown Apr 2016 #17

well, I'm mollified! Javaman Apr 2016 #18

Someone get a shovel. Feeling the Bern Apr 2016 #21

Unbelievable, frankly. dchill Apr 2016 #22

problem is there were plenty of red flags--DU definitely forewarned us all MisterP Apr 2016 #24

It was the DLC that didn't want public option... dchill Apr 2016 #29

and the DLC knew we'd take anything from a charismatic Dem MisterP Apr 2016 #31

Lobbyists from Big Insurance, Big Health Care and Big PHRMA who met with the WH merrily Apr 2016 #33

Hey that's not true. THe majority of people DO support the public option OR single payer. Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #23

Now now. He's just misleading us. Enthusiast Apr 2016 #49

Yeah, he's good at that. SammyWinstonJack Apr 2016 #106

President Cool Breeze does not sweat the details. / FlatBaroque Apr 2016 #25

He's got medical insurance now and will have it after he leaves office LastLiberal in PalmSprings Apr 2016 #45

And all I get is raised taxes tomorrow because I can't afford health insurance. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #161

That is about Old Codger Apr 2016 #26

I thought the repetition of nonsense about Joe Lieberman was the lamest, but maybe that's just me. merrily Apr 2016 #30

I'd like to see these statistics. HughBeaumont Apr 2016 #27

Remind me what he said about a robust public option being the only way before he was elected? merrily Apr 2016 #28

"The people" always get what they want. Except when it comes to laws and government. nt valerief Apr 2016 #34

Except Old Codger Apr 2016 #96

DO not forget SmittynMo Apr 2016 #36

Oh for fucks sake, that's a mile long pile of bullshit. Does he know we can see the video. onecaliberal Apr 2016 #37

*lmao* Hydra Apr 2016 #38

that's when you understand that the n-dimensional chess match was against you. bbgrunt Apr 2016 #39

That's a boatload of political bullshit if I ever saw one. KPN Apr 2016 #40

"It wasn't necessarily because there was some corruption or venality truebluegreen Apr 2016 #42

What I remember is that single payer was not even on the table. Pharaoh Apr 2016 #44

You remember correctly. They were barred from even being at the meetings. Obama is bullshitting. FighttheFuture Apr 2016 #66

LOL! Enthusiast Apr 2016 #47

I guess the voters never mattered to him either? ViseGrip Apr 2016 #50

Such spin.. Whirling..... Spinning... Spinning.... Spun. nt stillwaiting Apr 2016 #55

Spinning, whirling, twirling... thesquanderer Apr 2016 #59

Pure bullshit! Scalded Nun Apr 2016 #58

Hillary says she wants a public option! thesquanderer Apr 2016 #62

Extra stinky bull$hit SammyWinstonJack Apr 2016 #110

Yup. Enthusiast Apr 2016 #141

What a Whopper of a lie! He blocked the public option because he made a deal harun Apr 2016 #60

"It wasn't necessarily because there was some corruption or venality ..." Yeah there was. Scuba Apr 2016 #63

Horsepucky. 2naSalit Apr 2016 #64

Thanks, Obama. Pfaugh. FighttheFuture Apr 2016 #65

Joe Lieberman is the reason Blasphemer Apr 2016 #67

Lost us 2000, Lost us the Public Option, Campaigned with McCain. HughBeaumont Apr 2016 #116

Hartford Joe 4Q2u2 Apr 2016 #130

(Not sure why this isn't higher in the thread.. There are LOTS here annabanana Apr 2016 #132

True the people could be said not to want it treestar Apr 2016 #164

He's mixing up cause and effect. surrealAmerican Apr 2016 #69

+1 LittleGirl Apr 2016 #84

. NRaleighLiberal Apr 2016 #70

He didn't "clear that up" at all, and you didn't listen... MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #71

Did I really have to put the sarcasm tag after "Glad he cleared that up"? Oh well. (n/t) thesquanderer Apr 2016 #73

I guess my reading skills have to improve today.... MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #111

No problem! Break cut! ;-) (n/t) thesquanderer Apr 2016 #114

If Single Payer couldn't get implemented in Vermont Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2016 #72

My OP was about the public option which would have been less of a challenge. thesquanderer Apr 2016 #78

I'm for the PO Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2016 #90

"It wasn't NECESSARILY because there was some corruption..." subterranean Apr 2016 #75

I still like him better than I liked Clinton at this stage of his term tularetom Apr 2016 #76

Shameless con artist at that. SammyWinstonJack Apr 2016 #112

I lulz'd KG Apr 2016 #83

Hysterical. zentrum Apr 2016 #85

C'mon Barrack...repeating Republican talking points isn't becoming. EndElectoral Apr 2016 #88

He kow-towed to the numerically insignificant Blue Dogs Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2016 #89

And FDR left blacks out of social security mythology Apr 2016 #138

False analogy Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2016 #145

Interesting point there. (n/t) thesquanderer Apr 2016 #147

Sheer nonsense. How can he say stuff like this, in good conscience? closeupready Apr 2016 #91

Well Hell! HenryWallace Apr 2016 #92

Awww, people love the uncertainty! Helen Borg Apr 2016 #93

Is this a joke? basselope Apr 2016 #95

85% of people get health care through their jobs? zalinda Apr 2016 #100

I agree, the 85% figure is, itself, suspect. thesquanderer Apr 2016 #104

Seriously, looks like a made up number to me Bradical79 Apr 2016 #108

What horseshit that is. Yes people would rather be FORCED to SammyWinstonJack Apr 2016 #101

The public option was for the uninsured on the exchange, not for people with insurance on the job. Zen Democrat Apr 2016 #102

That's a great point. thesquanderer Apr 2016 #107

Bingo pengu Apr 2016 #109

The public option was supposed to be an affordable alternative to big insurance and Vinca Apr 2016 #105

How does Medicare do it for $104 a month? Holly_Hobby Apr 2016 #113

I think a couple of things play into this; area51 Apr 2016 #188

There is no option awoke_in_2003 Apr 2016 #117

So I'll triangulate just like Bill Clinton told me to :( ConsiderThis_2016 Apr 2016 #120

Calling it "the public option" isn't as popular as "Medicare for All". Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2016 #121

So no cost controls, let the insurance companies jack up prices... Umbral18 Apr 2016 #122

I'm still paying for the healthcare I get through my employer. intheflow Apr 2016 #124

At one point 70% of the people wanted a single payer system. WHEN CRABS ROAR Apr 2016 #125

And these ideas are not necessarily contradictory, either. thesquanderer Apr 2016 #127

+1 for single payer OkSustainAg Apr 2016 #126

For those saying that a majority of Americans want single-payer YoungDemCA Apr 2016 #128

Very true. thesquanderer Apr 2016 #135

True. A majority of Americans support marijuana legalization, and Hillary's pal DWS Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #143

Anyone got the stats from the polls back then? I thought jwirr Apr 2016 #134

We had a full year or so where we had the votes to get whatever we wanted Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #142

With all due respect, that was/is nothing more than a GOP talking point... ReallyIAmAnOptimist Apr 2016 #146

What did you expect from a guy who said mrdmk Apr 2016 #148

This NY Times reporter has a different story nationalize the fed Apr 2016 #149

good info there, thanks (n/t) thesquanderer Apr 2016 #152

Great background info - Thank you for posting! ReallyIAmAnOptimist Apr 2016 #186

what a stupid response Skittles Apr 2016 #150

That is just utter bullshit! ananda Apr 2016 #155

lol Jefferson23 Apr 2016 #170

Lotta gibberish and strawmen packed into that quote. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #178

Because he helped kill it. ibegurpard Apr 2016 #190