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whatthehey

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20. Yet the basis of productivity has shifted
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:06 PM
Mar 2016

Both how and by whom productivity is increased has shifted over the last decades. Henry Ford oversaw a massive boost in automotive production efficiency essentially by making people work at more specializrd tasks and more quickly. He raised their pay more to stem turnover (which was running at 370%) than for the later rationalization of expanding a customer base, because he turned their jobs into unremitting unrewarding monotonous toil and nobody would work like that for the lower wages, and that's even ignoring the puritanical internal detective force who monitored their personal habits in and outside work. Ford incidentally was little better than an illiterate idiot (which was famously litigated believe it or not); he rode the wave of his engineers and plant managers figuring these things out and was about as much a technical visionary as Kim Kardashian.

That, more or less, was the basic story of productivity gains for the next half century. Humans worked harder at lousier jobs and you couldn't keep them at their jobs without paying them. The productivity gains came from the workers and they made jobs terrible enough to successfully demand higher pay.

Then starting in the 70s and rapidly accelerating, productivity gains came not from harder and less pleasant work for humans but from replacing them, by machines or software or robotics or even just communication advances. While there are still unpleaant and hard jobs for sure, the percentage of those jobs is much much lower than it was in Ford's day. These productivity gains came from capital not from labor, and what labor was involved became more white collar. You can either hire an army of clerks to keep track of your accounts or buy, say, Quickbooks. Quickbooks has one army of higher-paid higher-educated staff but untold thousands of customers who no longer need those clerks. Toshiba has one army of engineers and technicians building CNC machines and untold thousands of customers who no longer need armies of horizontal borers, lathe operators, drill pressmen, grinders, etc.

Capital, not labor, increased productivity in those customer operations by buying that software and that equipment. It rendered their needed labor either fewer in number or lower in intolerability or both. This meant double decreasing pressure on pay demands. People were chasing fewer and for the most part less unpleasant jobs, because capital made it so. Now we can all sing kumbaya and wish that capital just decided to spread that productivity gain to people who did not provide it and benefitted from it (those still employed that is) but there was neither need nor impetus for it to do so, faced with a surfeit of workers doing generally speaking safer more pleasant jobs (likely vain reminder: the undeniable fact that unsafe horrible jobs still exist does not contradict the equally undeniable fact that jobs overall are now less so than they were.) Instead capital said, as it inevitably must, an anthropomorphized "these productivity gains are down to me; I keep the benefit."

Helped along by establishments politics. Insanity. eom zalinda Mar 2016 #1
Indeed. Very few understand how money comes into the system... TampaAnimusVortex Mar 2016 #41
Let me add a few... JHB Mar 2016 #2
As a younger voter I really get it astrophuss42 Mar 2016 #3
You just want free stuff and fluffy unicorns. (sarcasm icon here) n/t sarge43 Mar 2016 #4
Hillary never got any free stuff. snort Mar 2016 #27
Not to worry ... KPN Mar 2016 #5
Ha! SammyWinstonJack Mar 2016 #9
If by fix you mean.... daleanime Mar 2016 #17
Nailed it. highoverheadspace Mar 2016 #6
Oh... SoapBox Mar 2016 #7
Very well said. zentrum Mar 2016 #14
Wow. Perfect! virgista Mar 2016 #16
agreed!!! ellennelle Mar 2016 #25
Perfect response. eom Duval Mar 2016 #36
K & R . . . explained here . . . . HughBeaumont Mar 2016 #8
Ben Carson. snort Mar 2016 #30
Precisely! JDPriestly Mar 2016 #55
That is the basics and a political system that is bought and jwirr Mar 2016 #10
Another problem is both gentry GOPers and gentry Dem look down upon workers LettuceSea Mar 2016 #11
squeezing more out of use for less money. nt Javaman Mar 2016 #12
There it is Iwillnevergiveup Mar 2016 #13
People are slow to get over treestar Mar 2016 #15
Guilt is not the reason our wages have been stagnant for 35 years, that is called Blaming The Victim Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #18
not the whole time. "with the exception of a period of strong across-the-board wage growth" Amimnoch Mar 2016 #19
My family's wages did not go up during that time. Some wages went up, many did NOT! Many Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #21
So you are saying the article as cited is false? Amimnoch Mar 2016 #23
No, I'm saying my wages nor my spouses wages have gone up since the 1980s, blue collar. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #51
That does seem to be the only period since 1980 when real wages for manufacturing workers increased. pampango Mar 2016 #24
Not so much who was president as what was happening. JoeyT Mar 2016 #69
When Greenspan ran the Fed ... aggiesal Mar 2016 #28
+1,000,000 HughBeaumont Mar 2016 #38
^^^ marions ghost Mar 2016 #46
Not sure I agree because you talk to most people treestar Mar 2016 #50
OMG my husband does more in one day than all the workers in his shop, then he comes home and Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #52
This right here^. malokvale77 Mar 2016 #54
No I do not, geez I was merely commenting on why average mass of Americans treestar Mar 2016 #58
I don't just claim my husband works hard, I avow that he works his ass off. Discussing American Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #60
Stop accusing me of victim blaming treestar Mar 2016 #71
"58. No I do not, geez I was merely commenting on why average mass of Americans allows this Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #74
It appears Bernie supporters are just wiser to the long con going on than Hillary sheeple, like you! FighttheFuture Mar 2016 #62
but then how are you going to get votes from all us inferior people? treestar Mar 2016 #70
I present information like anyone else here. Keep in mind the real decline in the last 35 FighttheFuture Mar 2016 #73
Yet the basis of productivity has shifted whatthehey Mar 2016 #20
Bernie Is The Only Antidote cantbeserious Mar 2016 #22
when the people below them are hurting marions ghost Mar 2016 #26
There seems to be a direct correlation Cryptoad Mar 2016 #29
I don't really know what Hillary's plan is to fix this. Loudestlib Mar 2016 #43
my name is not Hillary,,,,,, Cryptoad Mar 2016 #48
Ahhhh I see Loudestlib Mar 2016 #49
You are so right. This place is going to be as boring and useless as anything once we JDPriestly Mar 2016 #56
Thomas Frank puts this into words Cassidy Mar 2016 #31
maybe that explains why I am not hfojvt Mar 2016 #32
In 1990 I started at job xloadiex Mar 2016 #33
actually it is a big decrease hfojvt Mar 2016 #39
Lower 90% are not represented in government. chknltl Mar 2016 #34
I've heard the goal of Republicans is to lower the minimum wage to $3.50 an hour. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #35
That's an awesome idea if one's an asshat who cares nothing about an economic future. HughBeaumont Mar 2016 #42
I'm more of this camp.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #45
Me like ^this^. chwaliszewski Mar 2016 #66
Meanwhile in Rural America Ducksworthy Mar 2016 #37
We will get our representation, somehow, some day. Smart folks in the Dem Party should take notice. highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #40
Keep acting like this started in 1979. Indydem Mar 2016 #44
A coincidence? creatives4innovation Mar 2016 #59
Remember when they claimed the Alaska Pipeline would eliminate Middle East oil dependency? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #67
Payback for the New Deal.. freebrew Mar 2016 #72
The super rich do not create US jobs. Brother_Love Mar 2016 #47
K & R MoreGOPoop Mar 2016 #53
when bringing this up to republican friends PatrynXX Mar 2016 #57
Kick and R BeanMusical Mar 2016 #61
finally I see what trickled down! Wages! CarrieLynne Mar 2016 #63
WHY REAGAN KILLED THE UNIONS FOR CRAPITALISM. off shoring is a GOOD THING FOR pansypoo53219 Mar 2016 #64
Democratic Leadership is hell bent on sending as many jobs to India and China and Mexico as possible whereisjustice Mar 2016 #65
We The People are becoming serfs again nikto Mar 2016 #68
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