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progressoid

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65. Um, ya know that non-GMO foods are also "drenched" in pesticides right?

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:25 PM

Mar 2016

In the meantime, Miller has found that 2.5 quarts of Bicep, 2 quarts of glyphosate, 1 quart of Princep and 1 pint of 2,4-D per acre controls weeds well in his non-GMO corn.

On non-GMO soybeans last year he applied 1.5 pints of Dual, 5 ounces of Sencor, 2 quarts of glyphosate and 1 pint of Super HC per acre.

His fertilizer dealer recommended he use DuPont’s Envive in replacement of Sencor for control on broadleaves this year, so he held the rate down to the lowest recommendation to avoid getting into a carryover issue with his cover crops.

Miller recommends no-tillers considering non-GMO crops seek out experts who can recommend herbicides used before glyphosate came along.
- See more at: http://www.no-tillfarmer.com/articles/493-fighting-weeds-boosting-profits-with-non-gmos#sthash.dAR5IC33.dpuf

Besides, 99.9% of the pesticides you eat will be there regardless of GMOs

About 99.9 percent of the chemicals humans ingest are natural. The amounts of synthetic pesticide residues in plant food are insignificant compared to the amount of natural pesticides produced by plants themselves. Of all dietary pesticides that humans eat, 99.99 percent are natural: they are chemicals produced by plants to defend themselves against fungi, insects, and other animal predators.

We have estimated that on average Americans ingest roughly 5,000 to 10,000 different natural pesticides and their breakdown products. Americans eat about 1,500 mg of natural pesticides per person per day, which is about 10,000 times more than the 0.09 mg they consume of synthetic pesticide residues.

http://potency.berkeley.edu/pdfs/Paracelsus.pdf

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Tiny Vermont Brings Food Industry to Its Knees on GMO Labels [View all] jpak Mar 2016 OP

If a company were to pull their products out of Vermont, would not that be a good indication that Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #1

Depends on how the law is written ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2016 #12

Label what is or is not GMO & let the market decide .... Autumn Colors Mar 2016 #15

a nice corporatist shill position which ignores a great deal of science outside the corporate Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #16

Jury Results QC Mar 2016 #42

LOL! First reaction was to hide the label! Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #48

A nice "anti-global warming" type of argument ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2016 #67

if only the statute language was available somewhere... Gormy Cuss Mar 2016 #43

In other words, the law is unconstitutionally vague ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2016 #63

Exactly monicaangela Mar 2016 #32

Yes, with a vexing caveat. Chan790 Mar 2016 #62

Grateful to you, Vermont!! oldandhappy Mar 2016 #2

Vermont has lead the way on quite a few things Nickel79 Mar 2016 #9

Ag policy should be based in science, not fueled by the marketing strategies of organic corporations Nailzberg Mar 2016 #3

..or marketing strategies of GMO corporations. Ilsa Mar 2016 #4

GMOs aren't "in your food" Its a breeding method. Nailzberg Mar 2016 #6

Other than the fact that .... paleotn Mar 2016 #10

I don't give a rats a** if the GMO is good or bad, I just want to know about my food Jim Beard Mar 2016 #14

Its not a matter of hiding it, but how useful is the label if it only labels one breeding method? Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #23

If the label only accounts for one breeding method, the consumer isn't getting complete information. Nailzberg Mar 2016 #19

Here are the statutes Gormy Cuss Mar 2016 #44

A breeding method that allows it to be drenched in pesticides Autumn Colors Mar 2016 #17

That is for certain genetic mods elljay Mar 2016 #20

Your point? That pesticide is a lot safer than many of the pesticides used in the organic industry.. Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #25

Um, ya know that non-GMO foods are also "drenched" in pesticides right? progressoid Mar 2016 #65

I think the they meant herbicides..... paleotn Mar 2016 #93

It's a broad term. progressoid Mar 2016 #98

Not precise and safe at all. Check the science. AxionExcel Mar 2016 #24

Its both, its also tested, by you keep going on with your CT self. n/t Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #28

Marketing strategies should be the same as for any other product, what the consumer demands. A Simple Game Mar 2016 #26

And that demand is based on a misunderstanding of what GMOs are and what they do... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #39

So we are better off when companies spend money to A Simple Game Mar 2016 #50

Of course they aren't equivalent, genetic engineering is more useful, safer... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #55

Hybrids are natural and happen all the time even without human intervention. A Simple Game Mar 2016 #75

And? Just because something is synthetic or artificial doesn't mean its bad. N/t Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #76

How does labeling educate the public? progressoid Mar 2016 #66

Advertising could be used to educate the public, it's done all the time with new products. A Simple Game Mar 2016 #74

They do, and its stuck on page 9 because its a science report... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #77

Congress slipped a provision sulphurdunn Mar 2016 #5

If the major corporations don't respect the rights of citizens to both KNOW what's in their food.. HeartoftheMidwest Mar 2016 #7

... "if other nearby states put one into effect." surrealAmerican Mar 2016 #8

It won't be that difficult for most food... Archae Mar 2016 #11

We already see stickers on every kiwi, apple, and orange. surrealAmerican Mar 2016 #13

Tiny Vermont brings America to its feet - joyfully cheering the right to know what's in the food! AxionExcel Mar 2016 #18

Yes, I'm a paid agent. Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #22

No one has accused you of anything AxionExcel Mar 2016 #27

I like how you absolve and then accuse me in the same post. Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #30

I haven't been paid yet either! progressoid Mar 2016 #72

This appears to be yet another example of policy trumping science, of ideology and marketing... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #21

Actually, it's an example of democracy trumping corporatocracy AxionExcel Mar 2016 #31

Have you been able to demonstrate the GMOs are unsafe, at all? No, you have not... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #37

You got it backwards. The burden of proof is on new, synthetic corporate stuff to prove it is safe AxionExcel Mar 2016 #51

You do realize they have to complete food safety tests of GMOs, right? Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #57

I have only one response to this.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #29

And here's one of many easy responses to that: Orrex Mar 2016 #35

That has to be one of the stupidest pictures I've ever seen, uhm, even organic farms use... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #36

Roundup is banned in Europe.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #46

Your point? Is it based on science or fearmongering? From what I can tell... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #49

Want to talk "fear mongering"? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #52

Who is saying that? Also, look up the Green Revolution. Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #53

I believe I just did.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #54

There is nothing wrong with the technology, or even most of the implementations today... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #56

We also have people singing the praises of greedy corporations. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #59

Which corporations? The Organic or GMO side? I'm not opposed to corporations making money... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #60

Farmers in the third world used to harvest seeds for the following year's crops.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #61

Its not like they are forced to buy GMO seeds, so not sure what the problem is. Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #64

Monsanto is trying to make seed saving and seed sharing a crime.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #69

No it isn't, Agent Orange predates Monsanto by decades... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #73

What am I worried about anyway? There are no more family farms anyway. Right? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #80

I didn't say that, are you just going to continue making things up? Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #81

Spoken like a true advocate. Now tell me where I can buy Concord grapes. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #82

I don't understand the reference, don't like grapes myself, so I'm going to answer... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #83

Howzabout causing cancer? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #84

What causes cancer? You need to be specific here in order to have an argument. n/t Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #85

You call this an "argument"? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #86

That's what I'm asking you, you are making a claim, its too general to counter... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #87

No. I'm saying this.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #88

Oh God, the debunked Seralini study... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #89

I'm sure it's all been thoroughly debunked by the industry. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #90

No, its been debunked independently, if you don't want to acknowledge that... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #91

No links? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #94

Here's a balanced look at the Séralini affair... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #96

You also have a mega-corporation suing the government... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #97

The problem is you are making an assumption based on no evidence, those kids... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #99

So I guess the main thing Monsanto kills is family farms. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #100

Again, that's an issue with consolidation and industrialization, which are independent... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #101

Uh huh,...I guess they're obsolete.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #102

Things change in many different ways... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #103

Farming isn't a "job". Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #104

It was for many people, we switched from a country where the majority were farmers... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #105

Corporations want all farmers to be their employees and accept a payroll check. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #106

Which Corporations? All of them? I doubt Verizon cares if farmers own their own farms... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #107

Do you honestly believe these corporations dont own stock from other corporations? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #108

Some do, some don't, and again, which corporations? Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #109

Are you an advocate of monopolies? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #111

And while you're at it look up Farmer suicides from the green revolution AxionExcel Mar 2016 #70

At best, and I'm being very generous, the link is inconclusive... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #79

When I'm concerned about GMOs, I just assume anything that doesn't say "100% Organic" has GMOs. Hoyt Mar 2016 #33

Don't be so sure about that... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #41

Out of curiosity... Orrex Mar 2016 #34

Don't you know that because its Organic, its safe? We are supposed to trust those corporations... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #38

Anyone seen the actual individual votes? Can't find them TheDormouse Mar 2016 #40

Vermont, where good things come from, like Bernie and gmo labeling. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #45

Selective breeding and GMO is not the same madokie Mar 2016 #47

Of course not, Genetic Engineering is better, safer, more controlled, more precise... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #58

Check out what this non-GMO farmer sprays on his non-GMO crops. progressoid Mar 2016 #71

Special message for all who oppose the right of Americans to know what's in their food AxionExcel Mar 2016 #68

Opposing meaningless labels and baseless fear mongering is the right thing to do. HuckleB Mar 2016 #78

Tragic that democracy is so appalling to you and your 8% cohort AxionExcel Mar 2016 #92

As usual, you fail to justify any of the ugly propaganda you push. HuckleB Mar 2016 #95

Was Bernie there to vote? nt Jitter65 Mar 2016 #110

Tiny Vermont Helps To Harm The Environment HuckleB May 2016 #112