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Kip Humphrey

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16. a nice corporatist shill position which ignores a great deal of science outside the corporate

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Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:01 PM

Mar 2016

influences of Monsanto, Bayer, Cargill, etc.. But, I bet you can get a nice paying job in the industry with your POV.

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Tiny Vermont Brings Food Industry to Its Knees on GMO Labels [View all] jpak Mar 2016 OP

If a company were to pull their products out of Vermont, would not that be a good indication that Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #1

Depends on how the law is written ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2016 #12

Label what is or is not GMO & let the market decide .... Autumn Colors Mar 2016 #15

a nice corporatist shill position which ignores a great deal of science outside the corporate Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #16

Jury Results QC Mar 2016 #42

LOL! First reaction was to hide the label! Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #48

A nice "anti-global warming" type of argument ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2016 #67

if only the statute language was available somewhere... Gormy Cuss Mar 2016 #43

In other words, the law is unconstitutionally vague ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2016 #63

Exactly monicaangela Mar 2016 #32

Yes, with a vexing caveat. Chan790 Mar 2016 #62

Grateful to you, Vermont!! oldandhappy Mar 2016 #2

Vermont has lead the way on quite a few things Nickel79 Mar 2016 #9

Ag policy should be based in science, not fueled by the marketing strategies of organic corporations Nailzberg Mar 2016 #3

..or marketing strategies of GMO corporations. Ilsa Mar 2016 #4

GMOs aren't "in your food" Its a breeding method. Nailzberg Mar 2016 #6

Other than the fact that .... paleotn Mar 2016 #10

I don't give a rats a** if the GMO is good or bad, I just want to know about my food Jim Beard Mar 2016 #14

Its not a matter of hiding it, but how useful is the label if it only labels one breeding method? Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #23

If the label only accounts for one breeding method, the consumer isn't getting complete information. Nailzberg Mar 2016 #19

Here are the statutes Gormy Cuss Mar 2016 #44

A breeding method that allows it to be drenched in pesticides Autumn Colors Mar 2016 #17

That is for certain genetic mods elljay Mar 2016 #20

Your point? That pesticide is a lot safer than many of the pesticides used in the organic industry.. Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #25

Um, ya know that non-GMO foods are also "drenched" in pesticides right? progressoid Mar 2016 #65

I think the they meant herbicides..... paleotn Mar 2016 #93

It's a broad term. progressoid Mar 2016 #98

Not precise and safe at all. Check the science. AxionExcel Mar 2016 #24

Its both, its also tested, by you keep going on with your CT self. n/t Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #28

Marketing strategies should be the same as for any other product, what the consumer demands. A Simple Game Mar 2016 #26

And that demand is based on a misunderstanding of what GMOs are and what they do... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #39

So we are better off when companies spend money to A Simple Game Mar 2016 #50

Of course they aren't equivalent, genetic engineering is more useful, safer... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #55

Hybrids are natural and happen all the time even without human intervention. A Simple Game Mar 2016 #75

And? Just because something is synthetic or artificial doesn't mean its bad. N/t Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #76

How does labeling educate the public? progressoid Mar 2016 #66

Advertising could be used to educate the public, it's done all the time with new products. A Simple Game Mar 2016 #74

They do, and its stuck on page 9 because its a science report... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #77

Congress slipped a provision sulphurdunn Mar 2016 #5

If the major corporations don't respect the rights of citizens to both KNOW what's in their food.. HeartoftheMidwest Mar 2016 #7

... "if other nearby states put one into effect." surrealAmerican Mar 2016 #8

It won't be that difficult for most food... Archae Mar 2016 #11

We already see stickers on every kiwi, apple, and orange. surrealAmerican Mar 2016 #13

Tiny Vermont brings America to its feet - joyfully cheering the right to know what's in the food! AxionExcel Mar 2016 #18

Yes, I'm a paid agent. Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #22

No one has accused you of anything AxionExcel Mar 2016 #27

I like how you absolve and then accuse me in the same post. Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #30

I haven't been paid yet either! progressoid Mar 2016 #72

This appears to be yet another example of policy trumping science, of ideology and marketing... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #21

Actually, it's an example of democracy trumping corporatocracy AxionExcel Mar 2016 #31

Have you been able to demonstrate the GMOs are unsafe, at all? No, you have not... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #37

You got it backwards. The burden of proof is on new, synthetic corporate stuff to prove it is safe AxionExcel Mar 2016 #51

You do realize they have to complete food safety tests of GMOs, right? Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #57

I have only one response to this.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #29

And here's one of many easy responses to that: Orrex Mar 2016 #35

That has to be one of the stupidest pictures I've ever seen, uhm, even organic farms use... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #36

Roundup is banned in Europe.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #46

Your point? Is it based on science or fearmongering? From what I can tell... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #49

Want to talk "fear mongering"? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #52

Who is saying that? Also, look up the Green Revolution. Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #53

I believe I just did.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #54

There is nothing wrong with the technology, or even most of the implementations today... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #56

We also have people singing the praises of greedy corporations. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #59

Which corporations? The Organic or GMO side? I'm not opposed to corporations making money... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #60

Farmers in the third world used to harvest seeds for the following year's crops.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #61

Its not like they are forced to buy GMO seeds, so not sure what the problem is. Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #64

Monsanto is trying to make seed saving and seed sharing a crime.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #69

No it isn't, Agent Orange predates Monsanto by decades... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #73

What am I worried about anyway? There are no more family farms anyway. Right? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #80

I didn't say that, are you just going to continue making things up? Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #81

Spoken like a true advocate. Now tell me where I can buy Concord grapes. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #82

I don't understand the reference, don't like grapes myself, so I'm going to answer... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #83

Howzabout causing cancer? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #84

What causes cancer? You need to be specific here in order to have an argument. n/t Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #85

You call this an "argument"? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #86

That's what I'm asking you, you are making a claim, its too general to counter... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #87

No. I'm saying this.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #88

Oh God, the debunked Seralini study... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #89

I'm sure it's all been thoroughly debunked by the industry. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #90

No, its been debunked independently, if you don't want to acknowledge that... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #91

No links? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #94

Here's a balanced look at the Séralini affair... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #96

You also have a mega-corporation suing the government... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #97

The problem is you are making an assumption based on no evidence, those kids... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #99

So I guess the main thing Monsanto kills is family farms. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #100

Again, that's an issue with consolidation and industrialization, which are independent... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #101

Uh huh,...I guess they're obsolete.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #102

Things change in many different ways... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #103

Farming isn't a "job". Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #104

It was for many people, we switched from a country where the majority were farmers... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #105

Corporations want all farmers to be their employees and accept a payroll check. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #106

Which Corporations? All of them? I doubt Verizon cares if farmers own their own farms... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #107

Do you honestly believe these corporations dont own stock from other corporations? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #108

Some do, some don't, and again, which corporations? Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #109

Are you an advocate of monopolies? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #111

And while you're at it look up Farmer suicides from the green revolution AxionExcel Mar 2016 #70

At best, and I'm being very generous, the link is inconclusive... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #79

When I'm concerned about GMOs, I just assume anything that doesn't say "100% Organic" has GMOs. Hoyt Mar 2016 #33

Don't be so sure about that... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #41

Out of curiosity... Orrex Mar 2016 #34

Don't you know that because its Organic, its safe? We are supposed to trust those corporations... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #38

Anyone seen the actual individual votes? Can't find them TheDormouse Mar 2016 #40

Vermont, where good things come from, like Bernie and gmo labeling. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #45

Selective breeding and GMO is not the same madokie Mar 2016 #47

Of course not, Genetic Engineering is better, safer, more controlled, more precise... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #58

Check out what this non-GMO farmer sprays on his non-GMO crops. progressoid Mar 2016 #71

Special message for all who oppose the right of Americans to know what's in their food AxionExcel Mar 2016 #68

Opposing meaningless labels and baseless fear mongering is the right thing to do. HuckleB Mar 2016 #78

Tragic that democracy is so appalling to you and your 8% cohort AxionExcel Mar 2016 #92

As usual, you fail to justify any of the ugly propaganda you push. HuckleB Mar 2016 #95

Was Bernie there to vote? nt Jitter65 Mar 2016 #110

Tiny Vermont Helps To Harm The Environment HuckleB May 2016 #112