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Major Nikon

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5. That study doesn't say what you think it says

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 11:04 AM

Mar 2016

For one thing, it's published in an open access journal, which means the authors of the study pay the publisher to publish it, which leads to questionable peer review.

But lets just assume for a moment that an obscure study published in an obscure pay-to-play journal is the gold standard of evidence, even though it only offers correlative data. Then lets further assume that correlation implies causation.

The key part you missed was this study was done in the California’s Central Valley, which grows very little GMO and a considerable amount of organic produce.

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You don't need GMOs to be labeled [View all] magical thyme Mar 2016 OP

So it's only GMOs that ever get sprayed with chemicals? (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2016 #1

Not only AxionExcel Mar 2016 #2

That study doesn't say what you think it says Major Nikon Mar 2016 #5

Open access is not synonymous with scam/predatory/low-quality journals petronius Mar 2016 #58

I didn't claim it was Major Nikon Mar 2016 #59

My point is that you didn't consider what the peer review process is; you made petronius Mar 2016 #60

I assumed exactly the opposite, so your point makes little sense Major Nikon Mar 2016 #61

I would suggest the same to you, starting petronius Mar 2016 #65

Uh, say what? HuckleB Mar 2016 #66

Read the subthread. Carefully. Without preconceptions. petronius Mar 2016 #67

"Preconceptions." HuckleB Mar 2016 #68

You missed the point. Try again. roody Mar 2016 #3

GMOs have tremendously increased insecticide use. nt magical thyme Mar 2016 #4

Wrong Major Nikon Mar 2016 #6

Let me correct that to pesticide and herbicide up. magical thyme Mar 2016 #8

I call your open access study with another Major Nikon Mar 2016 #9

your study is an analysis of other studies that did not include pre-treated seed. magical thyme Mar 2016 #12

pre-treated seed =/ GMO Major Nikon Mar 2016 #13

pre-treated seed includes GMO seed. magical thyme Mar 2016 #17

Along with non-GMO seed Major Nikon Mar 2016 #25

90+% of corn is pre-treated. 90+% of corn is GMO. funny how that works. magical thyme Mar 2016 #35

...and 95% of all US corn production isn't used for human consumption Major Nikon Mar 2016 #38

tell it to the environment that is poisoned. magical thyme Mar 2016 #39

Your own link doesn't even claim that much Major Nikon Mar 2016 #40

The field corn see we planted on the farm in the 1980's was pre-treated with pesticide NickB79 Mar 2016 #57

They sweat pesticide. nt fun n serious Mar 2016 #16

That is completely wrong. Try again. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #28

unsourced claim, as usual. nt magical thyme Mar 2016 #33

Yes, I noticed the lack of documentation. And you cannot document your claim because it is untrue. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #49

What's in the name "RoundUp Ready" ? GreatGazoo Mar 2016 #11

Shit research published by a shitty pay-to-play journal citing other shit research Major Nikon Mar 2016 #15

As long as we are labeling things "shit" how about labeling GMOs? GreatGazoo Mar 2016 #18

Sure, all we need is more pseudoscience to prove it's necessary Major Nikon Mar 2016 #29

Can you just imagine the numbers of workers womanofthehills Mar 2016 #7

That is true, hillwoman, but it's not the company's fault. Nitram Mar 2016 #10

And labeling GMOs would change that because.... Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #27

What "crop" is this person spraying pesticides on? Brickbat Mar 2016 #14

From the "Cauliflower: How does it grow?" video... SidDithers Mar 2016 #19

That would be soap spray ... GeorgeGist Mar 2016 #20

How do you know it's not soap spray in the OP's picture?... SidDithers Mar 2016 #21

So what? HuckleB Mar 2016 #22

What? But it's super organic and natural. How can it be harmful? progressoid Mar 2016 #23

Well it is Monsatan! So probably using the tears of the unholy or something. nt Rex Mar 2016 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author Rex Mar 2016 #30

And how would labeling GMOs change whatever this guy is doing? progressoid Mar 2016 #24

Yeah. That meme is devoid of any content that has an association with reality. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #26

and your claims are as devoid of content and sourcing as usual. no big surprise there. nt magical thyme Mar 2016 #34

Okay, Ace. Step up to the plate: What is this guy spraying? What is the crop? Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #51

This is something that cannot be debated rationally in GD on DU. Rex Mar 2016 #32

When one side is bringing a flat-earth type argument... Bonx Mar 2016 #36

Both side could have original source documents and it wouldn't matter. Rex Mar 2016 #37

The problem is that the science is quite profound. HuckleB Mar 2016 #41

Not all in the scientific realm agrees with you. Also, you cannot simply dismiss their credentials. Rex Mar 2016 #42

The consensus is as profound as for those other topics. HuckleB Mar 2016 #43

I've been turned off the subject by so much petty fighting. Rex Mar 2016 #46

Exactly. HuckleB Mar 2016 #47

True. We don't want to end up in a real life Idiocracy. Rex Mar 2016 #48

The problem is that we've all been lied to nationalize the fed Mar 2016 #50

And that is a huge part of this problem imo. We live in a plutocracy. Companies control Rex Mar 2016 #52

Books like that are a big part of the problem. HuckleB Mar 2016 #54

I just found out that my Kikkoman Soy sauce is made from GMO Soybeans nationalize the fed Mar 2016 #44

So you like it, it's a good product, but ... HuckleB Mar 2016 #45

Imagine the horror if people knew where this stuff comes from Major Nikon Mar 2016 #53

You should be more concerned about the sodium content. progressoid Mar 2016 #55

True that. HuckleB Mar 2016 #56

Table salt is almost twice as toxic as Roundup Major Nikon Mar 2016 #72

But...but...but... The label says natural! Lancero Mar 2016 #62

Can you define "natural?" HuckleB Mar 2016 #64

Depends - You want the dictionary definition... Lancero Mar 2016 #69

You are a part of the "move the goal posts" crowd. HuckleB Mar 2016 #70

I think you've got me confused for someone else. Or you've misinterpreted what I'd said. Lancero Mar 2016 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author HuckleB Mar 2016 #77

Organic Major Nikon Mar 2016 #73

Since GMO is the standard, wouldn't non-GMO products just print 'Non-GMO' on their items? ohnoyoudidnt Mar 2016 #63

... Major Nikon Mar 2016 #74

If gmos are so safe why are the gmo companies spending so much energy and money to defeat Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #75

Probably for the same reason the organic industry would fight a "fertilized with cow shit" label Major Nikon Mar 2016 #76

Eight Lies About GMOs Debunked HuckleB Apr 2016 #78