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In reply to the discussion: Question , Who do you suppose is making the final decision on dealing Bundy & squatters in Oregon? [View all]99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)4. I'm so tired of hearing of the standoff described this way: either violent action or
simply doing nothing and 'waiting them out'. It's not like these two equally unattractive
options are the ONLY options. it's simply not the case.
Anyone who's familiar at all with law enforcement knows this. So let me go over it again for the
200+ time on DU. If the FBI or other law enforcement really wants to end this peacefully and yet
avoid it dragging on and on indefinitely -- which only lends credence to the Bundy Bunch's absurd
claim to be entitled to seize Federal land at will at-the-point-of-a gun whenever and wherever they
like-- then they only need to do 3 simple things, noted below (a-c)
But first, let's be clear about what these armed-to-the-teeth Bundy Terrorists are NOW doing:
1) breaking the law with impunity in broad daylight, at the point of a gun, stealing Federal vehicles,
breaking into Federal employees desks, computers and personal belongings, and using their
security badges to hack into federal computers containing employees SS numbers, credit card info, etc.
2) using the Malheur sanctuary (a Native American sacred site with many artifacts at risk) as
a National TV platform to spew their arrogant & hateful anti-Federal Gov't nonsense into our
living rooms every night. Just today, I read they have deliberately bulldozed an area known
to contain NA relics.
3) "putting out the word" to like-minded armed lunatics with cell phones and Gov't computers,
to "join them" in their armed insurrection, seizing Federal land at the point of a gun & inciting
other ranchers to refuse to pay their grazing fees and tear up their contracts with the BLM,
4) coming & going freely at-will to stockpile more food, water, guns, ammunition and lord know
what else, thus insuring that the "standoff" will continue indefinitely. and Just today it's reported
some are bringing their children to join them in the stand-off, deliberately putting them in danger.
5) regularly driving into nearby town of Burns to terrorize local residents while armed-to-the-teeth.
Now MANY of these ^ activities are illegal, some are felonies. Yet ALL of them can be stopped
in their tracks anytime the FBI et. al. decides to do so, by doing the following:
a) cut off all access (in & out) to the Federal facility and lands involved, especially roads, and
surrounding the place with wide perimeter to insure no-one goes in or out..
b) cut off all utilities, jam the cell phones & all computer access, cut off all water, electricity, etc.
c) then, simply wait them out, arrest them as they leave, or use tear gas, as needed to force the issue.
Yet they are doing NONE of these things, they are merely "monitoring" the situation from a base-camp
30 miles away from the Refuge, near the Burns airport.
Not doing any of a-c to me amounts to malfeasance if not complicity by the FBI.
options are the ONLY options. it's simply not the case.
Anyone who's familiar at all with law enforcement knows this. So let me go over it again for the
200+ time on DU. If the FBI or other law enforcement really wants to end this peacefully and yet
avoid it dragging on and on indefinitely -- which only lends credence to the Bundy Bunch's absurd
claim to be entitled to seize Federal land at will at-the-point-of-a gun whenever and wherever they
like-- then they only need to do 3 simple things, noted below (a-c)
But first, let's be clear about what these armed-to-the-teeth Bundy Terrorists are NOW doing:
1) breaking the law with impunity in broad daylight, at the point of a gun, stealing Federal vehicles,
breaking into Federal employees desks, computers and personal belongings, and using their
security badges to hack into federal computers containing employees SS numbers, credit card info, etc.
2) using the Malheur sanctuary (a Native American sacred site with many artifacts at risk) as
a National TV platform to spew their arrogant & hateful anti-Federal Gov't nonsense into our
living rooms every night. Just today, I read they have deliberately bulldozed an area known
to contain NA relics.
3) "putting out the word" to like-minded armed lunatics with cell phones and Gov't computers,
to "join them" in their armed insurrection, seizing Federal land at the point of a gun & inciting
other ranchers to refuse to pay their grazing fees and tear up their contracts with the BLM,
4) coming & going freely at-will to stockpile more food, water, guns, ammunition and lord know
what else, thus insuring that the "standoff" will continue indefinitely. and Just today it's reported
some are bringing their children to join them in the stand-off, deliberately putting them in danger.
5) regularly driving into nearby town of Burns to terrorize local residents while armed-to-the-teeth.
Now MANY of these ^ activities are illegal, some are felonies. Yet ALL of them can be stopped
in their tracks anytime the FBI et. al. decides to do so, by doing the following:
a) cut off all access (in & out) to the Federal facility and lands involved, especially roads, and
surrounding the place with wide perimeter to insure no-one goes in or out..
b) cut off all utilities, jam the cell phones & all computer access, cut off all water, electricity, etc.
c) then, simply wait them out, arrest them as they leave, or use tear gas, as needed to force the issue.
Yet they are doing NONE of these things, they are merely "monitoring" the situation from a base-camp
30 miles away from the Refuge, near the Burns airport.
Not doing any of a-c to me amounts to malfeasance if not complicity by the FBI.
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Question , Who do you suppose is making the final decision on dealing Bundy & squatters in Oregon? [View all]
Stuart G
Jan 2016
OP
it can't be the bginning because there have been so many similar occupations in the past.
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2016
#15
He probably has the ultimate word, but just delegates his situation managers in the FBI to deal with
world wide wally
Jan 2016
#2
They are doing infograthering all the time. Probably have an undercover person
Jim Beard
Jan 2016
#3
I'm so tired of hearing of the standoff described this way: either violent action or
99th_Monkey
Jan 2016
#4
I think to a bigger extent than we perhaps realize law enforcement sympathizes with the militias
Fumesucker
Jan 2016
#5
As a person who worked with many LEOs, I can attest to the truth of this. It's the job
Nay
Jan 2016
#30
I trust that you're not conflating my post w/ 'authoritarianism' or summary execution of Bundy jerks
99th_Monkey
Jan 2016
#63
Can you cite laws which allow the seizing of accounts of those who have not even been arrested?
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2016
#14
Arrested people with evidence collected and when that is abused good people oppose it and do not
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2016
#19
Look at the War on Drugs. Law enforcement seizes money from people all the time, without charges.
backscatter712
Jan 2016
#61
Cut off food, for sure. Water's on-site, but if they can cut off power...
Lizzie Poppet
Jan 2016
#23
If anybody at all has made a decision (an open question), it was the wrong one.
Paladin
Jan 2016
#22
I think he's being proved right as long as other incidents don't start up elsewhere
flamingdem
Jan 2016
#37
Actually, "other incidents" are now being planned, incited & actively organized
99th_Monkey
Jan 2016
#45
IMO it's with President Obama. Also, I bet there is a lot of discussion on how actions might
RKP5637
Jan 2016
#27
Good point. Could be an endless talking point if anyone is killed or injured.
flamingdem
Jan 2016
#38