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loyalsister

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Sun Dec 20, 2015, 04:43 PM Dec 2015

Salon: The United States is scarier than the Islamic State [View all]


I have been very behind in educating myself on ISIL. I'm amazed at how similar they are to Christian fundamentalists in using endtimes prophecies to manipulate people. I can't help but wonder how the substance of some of the war mongering we hear (and what is said in religious groups behind closed doors) is truly different from the terrorist leaders? Do our power and technology dress up the very same phenmomenon? Getting this many people to die for an endtimes cause is Jim Jones shit.

Even our closest allies fear that we are a menace militarily and environmentally

In addition, the Iraq War convinced a whole generation of Muslims — both Sunni and Shi’ite — that the end of the world is imminent, leading to a rise of apocalyptic fervor in the Middle East. As the Islamic scholar David Cook notes, it was “widely accepted” that the U.S.-led war fulfilled certain Islamic prophecies, and in fact a leading Shia militia in Iraq whose explicit aim was to expel the foreign invaders named itself the Mahdi Army after Islam’s end-of-days messianic figure, the Mahdi. A 2014 Reuters article even cites a Shi’ite fighter as saying that he became convinced that the end was nigh after the U.S. and Britain invaded Iraq. “That was the first sign,” he said, “and then everything else followed.”


What’s perhaps most fascinating about this situation is that Trump appears to be peddling his own apocalyptic narrative to his followers, the least educated Americans. According to Chip Berlet, a scholar of right-wing and apocalyptic movements, Trump’s followers are fixated on urgent phenomena — from China and ISIS to illegal immigration and economic uncertainty — that together create an apocalyptic climate in which a messianic figure of some sort is needed to “save” the believers. As Berlet puts it, “current leaders are corrupt and betraying us, [and] the middle class is having its pocket picked by the parasites below. So white Christians say they have to build a wall to protect themselves from raping and murdering Mexican neighbors, meanwhile registering and rounding up Muslims because they’re plotting terrorism. That’s a pretty good apocalyptic scenario because those threats are existential to the U.S.” The result is, of course, that Muslims are further alienated and the “clash of eschatologies” is ossified, which is exactly what the Islamic State wants. In a sense, it’s a win-win for fundamentalisms.
http://www.salon.com/2015/12/20/the_united_states_is_scarier_than_the_islamic_state/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow



Trump and republicans may be employing this most efficiently, but I really think it's in response to a large number of endtimes fundamentalists. They are the ones who worry that gay marriage and abortion will visit some kind of armegeddon rage upon us. Democrats are not above pandering to them. We need to pay close attentions to local elections!
They attacked evolution by getting on school boards where they could.


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This message was self-deleted by its author polichick Dec 2015 #1
salon is nothing more than click-bait at this point. Mosby Dec 2015 #2
Yep. Dr. Strange Dec 2015 #4
I stopped at a truck stop in Cairo, Illinois Facility Inspector Dec 2015 #3
Yep....and they turned me into a newt!!!..... EX500rider Dec 2015 #5
they just threw me off a building for being gay dlwickham Dec 2015 #6
To be fair, those bakers in the US who refuse to bake cakes for gay weddings are terrifying (nt) Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #7
They have to be sued here madville Dec 2015 #10
Just a normal day in Cairo, Illinois leftyladyfrommo Dec 2015 #8
In Columbia, my Muslim friends are very afraid loyalsister Dec 2015 #30
I think Columbia is a lot more conservative leftyladyfrommo Dec 2015 #32
With it's marijuana decriminalization and 3 colleges? loyalsister Dec 2015 #44
I don't know how far right wing they are. leftyladyfrommo Dec 2015 #51
I have family spread out in those areas loyalsister Dec 2015 #52
I think the headquarters for the Church of the Nazerines leftyladyfrommo Dec 2015 #54
Part of Jesus Camp was filmed in Lee's Summit loyalsister Dec 2015 #58
I word for several years with a Pentacostal preacher. leftyladyfrommo Dec 2015 #60
I was once Catholic loyalsister Dec 2015 #64
I have to admit I love the Mass. leftyladyfrommo Dec 2015 #67
Artification... loyalsister Dec 2015 #72
The invasion of Iraq alone ronnie624 Dec 2015 #12
Just look at the last Republican debate. cpwm17 Dec 2015 #14
Americans, generally speaking, ronnie624 Dec 2015 #20
You have to be joking Yorktown Dec 2015 #31
Those casualties are a result of a civil war, ronnie624 Dec 2015 #33
The ill effects of Islam are not limited to terrorism Yorktown Dec 2015 #35
How do terrorists ronnie624 Dec 2015 #41
Because western powers have no appetite for carnage Yorktown Dec 2015 #42
I would think that the people that live in the numerous nations that the US has bombed cpwm17 Dec 2015 #13
I was able to select from at least 10 different cheeseburger vendors Facility Inspector Dec 2015 #70
Last time I knew cpwm17 Dec 2015 #71
The people angriest at ISIL are certainly the most like ISIL. DirkGently Dec 2015 #9
They have power to do these things incrementally AND legally loyalsister Dec 2015 #17
Yes. Hundreds of laws. Religious extremism is thriving in America. DirkGently Dec 2015 #25
We're doing it "our" way- legally loyalsister Dec 2015 #28
The ones angriest at Isis are the families of the victims of Isis LittleBlue Dec 2015 #39
The Republicans who want to make the "sand glow?" DirkGently Dec 2015 #63
Salon hasn't been the same jamzrockz Dec 2015 #11
What is happening to the refugees loyalsister Dec 2015 #19
That's true. romanic Dec 2015 #47
Nobody takes salon seriously. linuxman Dec 2015 #15
Why not? ronnie624 Dec 2015 #23
And yet we and other countries are taking tens of thousands of refugees fleeing Isis. Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #36
Our government's conduct is responsible for more problems in the world than terrorism. ronnie624 Dec 2015 #37
Those foolish refugees don't know fear from safety! To be decent people we should sent them back Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #55
Our policies in the ME ronnie624 Dec 2015 #62
World support for violence against civilians (the US leads): cpwm17 Dec 2015 #16
Seems to go by whose civilians are most likely DirkGently Dec 2015 #26
Like most things, Blue_In_AK Dec 2015 #18
It isn't just a matter of perspective. ronnie624 Dec 2015 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Scootaloo Dec 2015 #27
To Muslim citizens in this country loyalsister Dec 2015 #22
Anti gay violece is far more common than anti Muslim violence, always has been and DU will never Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #56
I agree with both of you. Blue_In_AK Dec 2015 #24
The third goofy whining salon thread I've clicked on today... ileus Dec 2015 #29
Are there some factual errors you'd like to call attention to? ronnie624 Dec 2015 #34
Let me know when we buy and sell women in slave markets. LittleBlue Dec 2015 #38
let me me know ronnie624 Dec 2015 #43
If Isis had our capabilites militarily LittleBlue Dec 2015 #45
"Isis" wouldn't even exist ronnie624 Dec 2015 #49
Completely agree LittleBlue Dec 2015 #50
That's what ISIS or AQMI/Ansar Dine managed Yorktown Dec 2015 #46
One would hope so Egnever Dec 2015 #40
Once again romanic Dec 2015 #48
Print it out and use it for birdcage lining. Quantess Dec 2015 #53
Well, sure. Heck, climate change is scarier than just about anything. raouldukelives Dec 2015 #57
What a stupid title. NaturalHigh Dec 2015 #59
Is anyone stopping Salon from relocating there? Waiting For Everyman Dec 2015 #61
The damage done by the US "war on terror" is very well understood. ronnie624 Dec 2015 #65
Comparing ISIS to the US may be apples and oranges, cpwm17 Dec 2015 #66
Absolutely. ronnie624 Dec 2015 #68
Yes Mexico & Canada tremble in fear at their terrible neighbor....lol EX500rider Dec 2015 #69
It would make more sense ronnie624 Dec 2015 #73
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