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forsaken mortal

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79. indeed

Sun Nov 29, 2015, 05:43 PM

Nov 2015

That's why Russia is going to escort Fencers with fighter aircraft such as the SU-35 now, not to mention that most of Turkey's airspace will be locked up with the radar from the S-400 systems which are extremely formidable. Turkey got away with it once, I seriously doubt they'd be able to get away with it again without incurring losses of their own.

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"More of an ambush than anything else." [View all] another_liberal Nov 2015 OP

From RT to Sputnik News R3druM Nov 2015 #1

Do you have anything to say . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #2

Well... R3druM Nov 2015 #3

Have anything to say? another_liberal Nov 2015 #4

I do. Chan790 Nov 2015 #6

As you should . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #7

Yes, actually. Chan790 Nov 2015 #5

Is that all it is with you? another_liberal Nov 2015 #8

I guess I would have to say that dumbcat Nov 2015 #11

Maybe not for sure, not with complete certainty . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #15

No dumbcat Nov 2015 #18

Read between the lines . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #32

^^^^THIS ^^^^ Tarheel_Dem Nov 2015 #27

Is it an ambush if you -know- the position of the opposing aircraft? HereSince1628 Nov 2015 #9

They were not expecting to be attacked . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #13

Turkey warned the Russians about Turkey's intent to resist incursions back on ~4th of Oct. HereSince1628 Nov 2015 #14

There is considerable doubt that an incursion occured . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #16

My point was the Russians had actually been warned about Turkey's posture. HereSince1628 Nov 2015 #17

One country does not have the right to fire on aircraft in another country's airspace. another_liberal Nov 2015 #25

Oh, really? Better recheck your history. hobbit709 Nov 2015 #53

Thanks for the laugh 4now Nov 2015 #10

An odd sense of humor . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #12

When someone posts links to sputnik news or RT 4now Nov 2015 #35

To you, perhaps . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #36

"A trap set by the Turkish Air force..." Nitram Nov 2015 #19

There was no "incurrsion" of Turkish airspace . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #22

I would be include to believe the Turks over the Russians on that one, not your BS hypothesis. Nitram Nov 2015 #23

It is not a matter of "believing" in something or not . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #28

No this isn't a sunday School class, it is a propaganda exercise. Nitram Nov 2015 #30

All of it . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #31

We just have trust in different sources. Nitram Nov 2015 #34

It is anything but "trust" I assure you. another_liberal Nov 2015 #37

Amazing that such a course of study would give you the mystic ability to see whether a Russian jet.. Nitram Nov 2015 #39

Nothing much "mystic" about it either . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #43

What sources Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #51

I see. You take what the Pentagon states and believe the opposite. Nitram Nov 2015 #57

I don't, not on all things . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #83

What's your take on Russian Imperial foreign policy? Nitram Nov 2015 #85

What? another_liberal Nov 2015 #86

So you truly believe that Putin doesn not wish to reconstitute as much of the USSR as possible... Nitram Nov 2015 #87

I'm not sure the person citing a Russian state news agency should be talking about belief mythology Nov 2015 #52

And the three previously acknowledged incursions into Turkish airspace over the past tend days LanternWaste Nov 2015 #89

Not surprised the Russian government Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #33

How many times did Turkish military aircraft stray into Greek airspace last year? another_liberal Nov 2015 #44

Are they bombing ethnic Greeks? Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #50

A questionable professor and state run media. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #20

Do you have anything to say about the content of the Professor's comments? another_liberal Nov 2015 #21

another, your thesis is dubious and unsupported. Nitram Nov 2015 #24

What, exactly, do you find "dubious". . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #38

The "public record" informs you that the Russian jet did not enter Turkish airspace and ignore... Nitram Nov 2015 #40

That is not the "Public record" . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #45

The radio traffic was confirmed by the US and other who were listening in. Nitram Nov 2015 #58

Thanks for the Info , it is one big mess. bahrbearian Nov 2015 #26

Welcome . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #29

The plane intruded Turkish airspace for ''seconds'' Octafish Nov 2015 #41

You are very welcome, Octafish . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #42

If this was an ambush, then Turkey knew the Russians would fly over. JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2015 #46

The American coalition was infromed where Russian jets would attack . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #47

The Turkish jet entered Syrian airspace before firing? GGJohn Nov 2015 #60

According to ground-based radar tracking . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #61

Ground based radar images coming straight out of the Kremlin GGJohn Nov 2015 #63

Jane's: Russian jet had nonfunctioning radio, didn't hear warnings mainer Nov 2015 #48

That sounds more plausible than anything else, given that Russia's military equipment is decrepit. randome Nov 2015 #49

Janes is, on this particular occasion, . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #62

Oh, so everyone else is wrong except the Russians? GGJohn Nov 2015 #64

I said nothing about being "right" or wrong . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #65

The Fencer is successful in Syria because they face no serious opposition, GGJohn Nov 2015 #66

You seem disappointed more planes haven't been lost? another_liberal Nov 2015 #67

What criminal and underhanded sneak attack? GGJohn Nov 2015 #69

Warnings have no importance in this . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #70

Warnings have no importance in this . . . GGJohn Nov 2015 #71

That is where you are wrong . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #72

LOL. GGJohn Nov 2015 #73

Where did the Russian jet fall, in Turkey? another_liberal Nov 2015 #74

Maybe you missed the part where I said it was struck in Syria, GGJohn Nov 2015 #75

More of Ashton (Ash) Carter's fairytales? another_liberal Nov 2015 #76

Beyond doubt huh? GGJohn Nov 2015 #77

The facts still remain facts . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #78

So, IOW, other than Sputnik news or RT, GGJohn Nov 2015 #80

indeed forsaken mortal Nov 2015 #79

All Russia has to do is stay out of Turkish airspace and all is good, GGJohn Nov 2015 #81

I imagine the U.S. knows the real story daleo Nov 2015 #59

OK---I read the whole thread and this is my takeaway... trumad Nov 2015 #54

Anything to say about the content of his comments . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #55

Sure trumad Nov 2015 #56

Here's a more balanced article that hopefully changes your mind Nevernose Nov 2015 #68

Shooting down the Russian plane was a cheapshot forsaken mortal Nov 2015 #82

Ambush, huh? cemaphonic Nov 2015 #84

Most likely, Georgia said the same after the Russian invasion. And the Crimea. And Ukraine. LanternWaste Nov 2015 #88

Except that Georgia actually invaded South Ossetia . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #90

I see you love Russian fairytales, Another. Nitram Dec 2015 #91