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Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
Sun Oct 4, 2015, 04:39 PM Oct 2015

6 Surprising Ways to Curb Gun Violence That Have Nothing to Do With Gun Control [View all]

I've commented on several threads about how reducing gun violence is going to take more talk than just about guns. It takes long, hard discussions about our society; how we view each other; how we view ourselves; what the goals and purpose of our mental health, education and correctional systems are; how we accept casual violence and bullying, and so on. It ties in with things like the recent article from the Atlantic about why young Japanese children are able to run errands and move through cities by themselves, and this Facebook post from Jonathan Byrd.

I'll save you a click and list the six ways in the article:

1. Access to alcohol and drug treatment and rehab
2. Prison reform
3. Curbing the school-to-prison pipeline
4. Addressing structural racism and investing in young black men
5. Correcting income inequality
6. Addressing gender inequality and "macho" culture

I find it frustrating that wanting to talk about everything that goes into gun violence often gets a response of "No, it's the guns!" It's not just the guns -- and to pretend it is only ill serves people who are suffering in this country and kicks the problems our country is facing down the road.

The article:

http://mic.com/articles/126199/6-surprising-ways-to-curb-gun-violence-that-have-nothing-to-do-with-gun-control

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Good list Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #1
Yes, my question has been "What are we teaching/doing to young men?" They're the ones shooting. SharonAnn Oct 2015 #79
Yes and I do really Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #80
We are teaching them Turbineguy Oct 2015 #86
Just a sec sarisataka Oct 2015 #2
I know, right? What the hell am I thinking. Brickbat Oct 2015 #4
Thanks, I quite admire HHH sarisataka Oct 2015 #11
He would have seen the wisdom of this list, I think. Brickbat Oct 2015 #14
K&R n/t OneGrassRoot Oct 2015 #3
Good article, yet it does nothing about yahoos arming up in today's society. Hoyt Oct 2015 #5
why can't there be 7 things? lame54 Oct 2015 #6
Why, indeed? Brickbat Oct 2015 #7
all the things used listed AND gun control... lame54 Oct 2015 #9
Oh, I see. Brickbat Oct 2015 #10
But gun control first.. whathehell Oct 2015 #67
And just what do you think can get Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #76
We've been doing 'gun control' incrementally more and more for 80 plus years... beevul Oct 2015 #98
Bullshit whathehell Oct 2015 #102
The 1994 AWB was not overturned, it expired. branford Oct 2015 #113
and was not renewed due to the efforts of the gun lobby.. whathehell Oct 2015 #114
So, to start, you were indeed wrong that the 1994 AWB was overturned. branford Oct 2015 #115
"failure to reinstate" vs. "overturn" = being "indeed wrong"? whathehell Oct 2015 #116
yup yup. this mopinko Oct 2015 #8
What do items 1-5 have to do with item 6??? hunter Oct 2015 #12
Most "gun culture" (i.e., rural culture) is quite distinct from the "gang culture" branford Oct 2015 #36
People don't cooperate with the police because they are afraid of crossing up the gangsters. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #43
Everything you wrote is sadly consistent with my post. branford Oct 2015 #51
Yes. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #70
I know all about rural gun culture. My family has strong Wild West credentials. hunter Oct 2015 #110
AND gun control frazzled Oct 2015 #13
Is the reverse true? sarisataka Oct 2015 #16
Absolutely discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #17
Why wouldn't you take the aspirin, though? kcr Oct 2015 #95
Nothing at all wrong with taking the aspirin discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #96
Oh, not being sarcastic. Okay, so kcr Oct 2015 #109
Not dealing with the actual cause for the violence... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #111
Hey, let's not relate names to seriousness! Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #119
We must do both frazzled Oct 2015 #20
Why, we'd look like socialist Scandinavia Demeter Oct 2015 #30
Well, this article was specifically looking beyond that. Brickbat Oct 2015 #23
Here is an article on the gun legislation that we have. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #46
End the War on Drugs!! Coventina Oct 2015 #15
Yes it is. eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #25
Not only end the drug war, branford Oct 2015 #39
Social justice! JonathanRackham Oct 2015 #18
Great post. GGJohn Oct 2015 #19
I believe so, too. Brickbat Oct 2015 #21
It shouldn't matter if any of these have a measurable impact on gun violence. surrealAmerican Oct 2015 #22
Absolutely. Brickbat Oct 2015 #24
I don't think any of these would have stopped the last three massacres i'm aware of patsimp Oct 2015 #26
Hard to tell. Brickbat Oct 2015 #33
Excellent post. And yes, Europe's social conscience makes it a less violent place. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #40
Agreed. Brickbat Oct 2015 #90
Firearms are already controlled and regulated, GGJohn Oct 2015 #34
When it comes to blame, mental illness is high; when it comes to spending money HereSince1628 Oct 2015 #27
I can't be a murder enabler MyNameGoesHere Oct 2015 #28
Serious question, and I'm not trying to be a dick: Brickbat Oct 2015 #35
Post removed Post removed Oct 2015 #55
It's entirely possible I can change my mind. You haven't even tried! Brickbat Oct 2015 #62
Jury results. GGJohn Oct 2015 #75
Good Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #77
Jesus hammering Christ! A hide! Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #121
So you approve of the murder of gun owners? GGJohn Oct 2015 #65
Nice jack_krass Oct 2015 #94
Holy $@#%! LAGC Oct 2015 #106
Yep. GGJohn Oct 2015 #107
"There will be no fighting in the War Room!" Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #122
Like peace? LanternWaste Oct 2015 #112
Well, let's see, GGJohn Oct 2015 #38
I didn't see your "list" MyNameGoesHere Oct 2015 #50
Then you haven't looked. GGJohn Oct 2015 #56
K&R. Unfortunately, the Right is against all of those and just cries 'moral fortitude'. n/t ion_theory Oct 2015 #29
Sounds too much to me like we are putting the blame on minorities. How's about people like this? Hoyt Oct 2015 #31
I agree with you BuelahWitch Oct 2015 #37
Usually behind which guns? Brickbat Oct 2015 #44
The Columbine, Aurora and Sandy Hook shootings BuelahWitch Oct 2015 #48
Oh, so you're interested in looking only at mass shootings? Brickbat Oct 2015 #53
Not "only" BuelahWitch Oct 2015 #60
It's absolutely an issue, and there are definitely additions that can be made to this list. Brickbat Oct 2015 #66
Addressing mental health is a good start BuelahWitch Oct 2015 #71
"What happened in our society to make our young men want to grab a gun and kill random people?" Brickbat Oct 2015 #74
"White men..." Please look at who is behind the murders in Chicago. Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #124
Do you really want to review crime statistics, branford Oct 2015 #47
Branford, I'm talking about the white racists who are the main ones arming up. They are who Hoyt Oct 2015 #72
The purported "white racists arming up" represent a very small fraction branford Oct 2015 #82
Wasted words. Rex Oct 2015 #87
So are you looking to end gun violence, or end "arming up"? Brickbat Oct 2015 #89
That's part of reducing gun violence, ask Australians. Gunners sure aren't interested in ending Hoyt Oct 2015 #92
Of course you talk about that DashOneBravo Oct 2015 #97
Another gunner trying to switch the subject to gangs, typical. They probably got their gunz from Hoyt Oct 2015 #127
We know that's all you focus on. nt Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #125
~300 mass shootings in 2015 over 220 shooters remain unknown. HereSince1628 Oct 2015 #69
Well, in most states, gun homicides of blacks is much higher than that of whites. Brickbat Oct 2015 #42
Well, for the most part guns are available because of the white folks arming up, not to mention Hoyt Oct 2015 #59
In small numbers. Mass shootings are dominated by whites. jeff47 Oct 2015 #61
I agree with you on this, Hoyt. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #64
Excellent post. Sooner or later agreement on something was bound to happen. :) Hoyt Oct 2015 #73
And gun control...you forgot the best one! Ask Australia....it WAS the best one of them all! Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #32
What's your answer to this simple question. WHEN CRABS ROAR Oct 2015 #41
What does need have to do with the RKBA? eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #45
When it comes down to it, what do any of us really need? Brickbat Oct 2015 #58
Water, food shelter and health care. WHEN CRABS ROAR Oct 2015 #93
I'll go for that, plus more: Dems to Win Oct 2015 #49
I like your thinking. nt Brickbat Oct 2015 #54
^^^ I'm on board. Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #126
Nice list but... deathrind Oct 2015 #52
"We simply cannot wait that long." Brickbat Oct 2015 #57
+1 Rafale Oct 2015 #63
"Good approach that would truly change the game in favor of our humanity." Brickbat Oct 2015 #68
7. Outlaw ammunition. n/t Binkie The Clown Oct 2015 #78
Not possible, GGJohn Oct 2015 #84
No surprise that our resident Gun Enthusiasts love this listing. Paladin Oct 2015 #81
And yet, the list is still probably more realistic branford Oct 2015 #83
I like this listing, and I'm no gun enthusiast or pro-gun advocate. LWolf Oct 2015 #85
Damn that expensive sarisataka Oct 2015 #88
"Wildly expensive, hard-to-accomplish, worthy-sounding goals." Brickbat Oct 2015 #91
None of us "resident Gun Enthusiasts" have a problem talking about gun misuse... beevul Oct 2015 #99
A national anti-suicide campaign would significantly reduce gun deaths hack89 Oct 2015 #103
No surprise that our resident gun grabbers hate this listing Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #104
I find it even more amazing... LAGC Oct 2015 #105
They also find it in their hearts to find common cause Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #108
Excellent article. lovemydog Oct 2015 #100
1. Should be more expanded Kurska Oct 2015 #101
Kicking this for the hell of it. Brickbat Oct 2015 #117
Looks like you kicked the hornet's nest here, mate. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #118
Right in one. Brickbat Oct 2015 #120
Good luck getting that message through, mate. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #123
There are a lot of conversations to have when it comes to reducing gun violence, but I'm finding Brickbat Oct 2015 #128
Pretty much. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #129
We agree. Brickbat Oct 2015 #130
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