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TubbersUK

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15. Definitely misleading In my opinion

Sat Oct 3, 2015, 05:06 PM

Oct 2015

Last years' 13% rise is certainly a cause for concern but it's just wrong to characterise it as part of a long term trend as that sky quote does.

ETA: We just don't know yet.

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In The UK, Guns Aren't The Problem, It's Knives. [View all] RKP5637 Oct 2015 OP

When a guy with a knife takes out a dozen people in a shopping mall or school, let us know jberryhill Oct 2015 #1

Yes, definitely, a gun is more lethal. Apparently they outlawed guns, then it switched, now RKP5637 Oct 2015 #2

Well, no: even in the UK guns are what people use to inflict mass casualties. That and bombs Recursion Oct 2015 #9

What type of guns are allowed Jim Beard Oct 2015 #44

Some shotguns and .22 rimfire rifles are allowed Recursion Oct 2015 #46

apparently knives are not nearly "as effective" agents of intentional homicide as guns etherealtruth Oct 2015 #3

This seems so much more prevalent than in the past. I'm curious as to what the underlying socialital RKP5637 Oct 2015 #4

Thank you. I've been wondering that also and have read too little about it uppityperson Oct 2015 #5

Exactly TubbersUK Oct 2015 #32

Fabulous. beevul Oct 2015 #6

Yep, it will get ridiculous. Unless the root cause is understood and somehow alleviated RKP5637 Oct 2015 #7

Ryan, Sartin, Hamilton, and Bird all used guns Recursion Oct 2015 #8

What are the underlying reasons we are seeing more of this in the states? Just more people now? RKP5637 Oct 2015 #14

Lots of untreated mental illness, hifiguy Oct 2015 #25

Yep, I think that's a big part of it. And where to turn for help or even pay, and sometimes RKP5637 Oct 2015 #28

It's odd, isn't it? Even countries with higher gun violence than us don't seem to have this Recursion Oct 2015 #45

It is odd. It used to be robberies, confrontations, etc. for the most part sometimes led to gun RKP5637 Oct 2015 #57

I have always wondered why schools are so often the target? smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #60

Excellent question, it's so horrific. Innocent children and they go after them. I imagine RKP5637 Oct 2015 #64

Workplaces are apparently even more common Recursion Oct 2015 #65

Because for the most part this is done by young males Recursion Oct 2015 #66

copycats Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #67

Yep, I think that's a big part of it. People on the edge and in their mind it's seen as OK to do, RKP5637 Oct 2015 #68

and it is almost never mentioned Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #69

Yep! n/t RKP5637 Oct 2015 #70

Yes nt Mojorabbit Oct 2015 #76

Here ya go shadowrider Oct 2015 #55

In the UK Recursion Oct 2015 #56

"The rise in knife attacks has been in the UK press since 2008........" - Really ??? TubbersUK Oct 2015 #10

They were discussing on BBC this morning. There is considerable concern. Yes, the Sky quote RKP5637 Oct 2015 #12

Definitely misleading In my opinion TubbersUK Oct 2015 #15

Yep, they well might have read too much into it. n/t RKP5637 Oct 2015 #16

Ah, I see from down the thread TubbersUK Oct 2015 #40

Yep!!! RKP5637 Oct 2015 #42

Which would you rather face? workinclasszero Oct 2015 #11

Definitely a knife. ... but my questing was, why are we seeing more of this. What are the underlying RKP5637 Oct 2015 #13

How do you explain evil? workinclasszero Oct 2015 #17

I think that's a lot of it too. I've always felt one can be born evil and/or predisposed to it RKP5637 Oct 2015 #19

Not excusing murder but. .. workinclasszero Oct 2015 #29

Yep, I'm familiar with the experiment, studied it a long time ago and have never RKP5637 Oct 2015 #31

Wow that's the study...thanks workinclasszero Oct 2015 #37

I think so. To me, people often get in the way of each other and that's when conflicts RKP5637 Oct 2015 #41

Interesting stuff workinclasszero Oct 2015 #43

I agree, this topic needs to be discussed more often than it is. smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #62

Yep, it will take generations to meld the pot together, so to say. n/t RKP5637 Oct 2015 #63

That's very interesting. I think this should be it's own OP. smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #61

It started when they took prayer out of schools /scarc yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #26

Perhaps people are encountering more structural violence Shankapotomus Oct 2015 #49

IMO that is one of the underlying root causes. One feels they can't compete RKP5637 Oct 2015 #52

Well, thanks for the townhall.com quote, I guess - no wonder it was misleading muriel_volestrangler Oct 2015 #18

Thanks for this update! I've just been hearing it talked about a lot today on the BBC. RKP5637 Oct 2015 #21

I updated my OP to delete the townhall.com quote. Thanks! n/t RKP5637 Oct 2015 #24

That homicide by knife comparison is useful TubbersUK Oct 2015 #47

Semi-automatic knives, now? WinkyDink Oct 2015 #20

Likely! When I was a kid smoking in the boy's bathroom was about the worst one could do. n/t RKP5637 Oct 2015 #22

Soccer riots are a big problem there too Crunchy Frog Oct 2015 #23

Someone did an analysis on it. RKP5637 Oct 2015 #27

Do they have mass stabbings every couple of weeks? nt valerief Oct 2015 #30

Or drive-by stabbings? n/t Contrary1 Oct 2015 #33

I'll take cutlery over bullets any day. nt valerief Oct 2015 #34

Yep! Same here!!! n/t RKP5637 Oct 2015 #38

I'm wondering what it might morph to next. I think the root cause for the behavior is likely RKP5637 Oct 2015 #35

Trickle-down Thatcherism, like we have trickle-down Reaganism. valerief Oct 2015 #36

Excellent point!!! I do think that has a lot to do with it. I think many see RKP5637 Oct 2015 #39

There was a mass knife attack in China a while back Shankapotomus Oct 2015 #50

Definitely, guns are more lethal. Getting the availability of guns under control is the right RKP5637 Oct 2015 #53

Anyone watched the hit TV series Flashpoint? Jeneral2885 Oct 2015 #48

Guns are more impersonal tavernier Oct 2015 #51

Yep, I agree. It removes the shooter from the event. Some, not all, might think, WTF am I doing. It RKP5637 Oct 2015 #54

Ah I see gunzcentral has decided to expand Warren Stupidity Oct 2015 #58

What are the causes? Why do some strike out with mass shootings, especially in the US. RKP5637 Oct 2015 #59

There is a 100% correlation between guns and mass shootings. Warren Stupidity Oct 2015 #74

Well said!!! n/t RKP5637 Oct 2015 #75

I am finding the conversation thoughtful and interesting. Mojorabbit Oct 2015 #77

I find the stigmatization of people with emotional disabilities appalling. Warren Stupidity Oct 2015 #78

The discussion was about possible reasons for this behavior Mojorabbit Oct 2015 #79

At least knives have other uses malaise Oct 2015 #71

Excellent point, malaise, as always!!! RKP5637 Oct 2015 #72

Sometimes malaise Oct 2015 #73

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