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As a male who suffers from Klinefelter syndrome, I am sympathetic.

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I am a socially awkward young asperger's man. Should I forfiet my right to bear arms? [View all] ZM90 Oct 2015 OP

Everyone should forfeit their right to bear arms. it is an antiquated concept that is destroying CBGLuthier Oct 2015 #1

I knew that was coming from someone. NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #3

Well, neither did the slaveowners. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #6

Slave owners had no right to own slaves and they only did so by abrogating the rights of others. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #10

They believe they did. Chan790 Oct 2015 #14

Guns aren't a right, guns are merely a thing; self-defense is a right. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #19

Then you might need to start learning how to defend yourself with a knife instead. MillennialDem Oct 2015 #40

Why should people who have no evil intentions be forced to render themselves defenseless? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #75

Because there are more accidental fatal shootings than justifiable fatal shootings. MillennialDem Oct 2015 #76

X < Y is not the basis of rights. Abuse and negligience by one party does not abrogate the rights Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #77

There are also accidental woundings in an addition to accidental fatalities. As for incidents where MillennialDem Oct 2015 #80

By what feat of imagination do you claim someone with no criminal or malicious intent is Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #81

Accidents. Very hard to accidentally wound or kill someone with a knife. We have the data, more MillennialDem Oct 2015 #82

Again, rights are not decided by percentges and ratios. Rights are rights regardless. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #87

I'm sorry, that was a typo. I was saying that I never said you (or I) don't have a right to self MillennialDem Oct 2015 #89

Guns are used for self-defense. Currently they are the best means of self-defense. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #92

Good thing you killed your stalker ex. Meanwhile, several other people died from guns that MillennialDem Oct 2015 #93

The Controllers' willingness to relegating people to be murdered, assaulted, raped and robbed Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #94

Why the insult? The Nutters' willingness to save 1 person to let several others to be MillennialDem Oct 2015 #95

Your entire argument is centered on claiming poeple have no right to defend themselves Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #97

... dude wtf, you're not listening at all MillennialDem Oct 2015 #99

Okay, on that score I stand corrected but your posts didn't make that clear. Even then, Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #101

I'm aware that accidents and numbers do not change the constitution, but while I personally MillennialDem Oct 2015 #102

Even if the 2A is repealed from the federal constitution the constitutions of numerous states Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #104

The world can change a LOT in 20 years. Gay marriage was inconceivable in 1995. And my generation MillennialDem Oct 2015 #107

Except there is no evidence that they are an effective means of self defense mythology Oct 2015 #147

I've seen those studies debated. My rights are not subject to statistical probability. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #154

Nope, but the statistics are why we should shitcan the 2nd amendment. MillennialDem Oct 2015 #164

No, they're not. We could combat many evils if we play statistics over rights. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #171

Yeah but letting guilty people go is a lesser evil than imprisoning innocent people. Not MillennialDem Oct 2015 #176

You say that very cavalierly without discussing the nature of the crimes. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #190

My experience has been, it has always been impractal to have a gun when I need one. Jim Beard Oct 2015 #191

Knives accidently wound people all the time Travis_0004 Oct 2015 #152

Come on now, I meant serious accidents and you know it. Serious accidental stabbings are almost MillennialDem Oct 2015 #163

Would you care to provide citations to the actual data? branford Oct 2015 #84

You provided the cites, but one is wrong MillennialDem Oct 2015 #86

I compared the data you suggested, both from CDC sources. branford Oct 2015 #98

What a load of bull. MillennialDem Oct 2015 #100

It is you who expressly claimed that firearms accidents branford Oct 2015 #106

No, I said firearms accidents cause more deaths and injuries than justifiable shots cause death and MillennialDem Oct 2015 #110

The available data, not matter your doubts, branford Oct 2015 #121

I used "bad guys" because I don't like using the term. It also doesn't necessarily imply the person MillennialDem Oct 2015 #123

I wonder if that number includes cases like Trayvon Martin? Crunchy Frog Oct 2015 #138

Yes it would absolutely include Trayvon Martin. MillennialDem Oct 2015 #148

Why wouldn't the data include the Martin / Zimmerman case? branford Oct 2015 #173

Yeah, that's what I thought. Crunchy Frog Oct 2015 #174

The definition of self-defense is not "elastic" simply because you don't like the results. branford Oct 2015 #175

Okay, so Zimmie used his gun to save his own life Crunchy Frog Oct 2015 #177

If you wish to do the research, branford Oct 2015 #179

You still need to provide the data for injuries involving for justifiable defensive firearm use, branford Oct 2015 #172

Because I said as before the data on defensive use is not falsifiable and there is also MillennialDem Oct 2015 #180

Then you assertion of fact was only your unsupported opinion. branford Oct 2015 #182

Huh? If you have no FALSIFIABLE proof that defensive use occurs, I can deny it. It's how science MillennialDem Oct 2015 #186

Gee, sometimes I wonder how I ever got this far in life despite never having owned a gun. smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #157

Keeping Americans safe through war... Whiskeytide Oct 2015 #12

I'd love to have a long, thoughtful conversation LWolf Oct 2015 #28

The second amendment was written at a time when those in power thought that there Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #36

It was also written at a time when they had rebelled against their own government after Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #83

Yes. LWolf Oct 2015 #125

I hear what you are saying and it sounds equivalent until jwirr Oct 2015 #29

The second amendment had nothing to do with hunting, though. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #38

On that we have complete agreement. And IMO that jwirr Oct 2015 #48

I would bet shotguns Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #116

I think you are correct in that - even rifles are not used in jwirr Oct 2015 #118

Go ahead... former9thward Oct 2015 #114

Good point. workinclasszero Oct 2015 #115

But that's not true. Mr Sancho Panza Oct 2015 #127

Sounds legit... Fla_Democrat Oct 2015 #134

Is there a reason you might be asked to do that? ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2015 #8

That's okay there's plenty of progressives willing to give them up for you. ileus Oct 2015 #9

Yeah, let's all get teary-eyed for how tough U.S. gun owners have it, these days. (nt) Paladin Oct 2015 #13

...+1 840high Oct 2015 #141

I agree. n/t PowerToThePeople Oct 2015 #25

I agree with you a million per cent. Vinca Oct 2015 #53

Be reasonable, no one will take that American right away. regulate it much more, yes we need that. Sunlei Oct 2015 #69

Your proposal would turn the NRA into AARP, as they (the NRA) already sell insurance friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #122

Kind of an extreme solution. Blue_In_AK Oct 2015 #91

I wonder how the natives bagged a moose tavernier Oct 2015 #155

Really? Blue_In_AK Oct 2015 #169

Nice work. You just tossed that out and walked away like an elevator fart. hughee99 Oct 2015 #170

People want to view this in black and white and that's the last thing we should do ck4829 Oct 2015 #2

I agree. OneGrassRoot Oct 2015 #16

Thank you for making sense. n/t. ZM90 Oct 2015 #17

... OneGrassRoot Oct 2015 #22

Good post. On B&W: The chief fear most here have is spectacular mass murder... Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #103

Those of us focused on institutionalized, systemic racism don't ignore it... OneGrassRoot Oct 2015 #126

Human nature Mr Sancho Panza Oct 2015 #117

Excellent Post! smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #161

Why do people ryan_cats Oct 2015 #4

Black Plague? How romantic! alcibiades_mystery Oct 2015 #18

I don't get that person's metaphor. I never claimed to be someone great nor someone not great. ZM90 Oct 2015 #21

As a male who suffers from ryan_cats Oct 2015 #47

I see. Thanks. n/t. ZM90 Oct 2015 #51

Certainly not if you join a well-organized state militia. THAT would be unconstitutional! cpompilo Oct 2015 #5

Some here believe you're mentally ill for even wanting a firearm. ileus Oct 2015 #7

I have a low post count because I tend to listen rather than talk all the time. ZM90 Oct 2015 #11

I love how DUers put people down for their low post count. cwydro Oct 2015 #15

Don't shoot the messenger...I speak the truth as you know. ileus Oct 2015 #140

Nonsense. cwydro Oct 2015 #149

Correct. 840high Oct 2015 #142

The need to defend yourself would drop by many powers of 10 if there were not so many easily -none Oct 2015 #44

Certainly not. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #20

yes. scrabblequeen40 Oct 2015 #23

I will share a story with you. LWolf Oct 2015 #24

I want to be treated as a equal to everybody else. As I said I do not have much interest in owning ZM90 Oct 2015 #27

You want equal rights, LWolf Oct 2015 #31

There are so many different types of people on the spectrum Marrah_G Oct 2015 #72

That does not follow. One family thought 1 kid with aspergers may not be safe with a gun. uppityperson Oct 2015 #88

Sure it does. LWolf Oct 2015 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author ZM90 Oct 2015 #26

No, you should not. However- if you are on any medications with 'serious side effects' you Sunlei Oct 2015 #30

I don't take any medication. :) n/t ZM90 Oct 2015 #32

excellent! :) Sunlei Oct 2015 #35

You don't want a gun but whine about the very remote possibility of not being able to own one. valerief Oct 2015 #33

I didn't see any whines? Sunlei Oct 2015 #37

Yeah I don't really care for owning a gun too much. I am just sick of the demonization and people ZM90 Oct 2015 #42

What a disgusting response Lurks Often Oct 2015 #61

Who's whining? NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #68

Don't worry, everybody's on that ignore list. Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #108

Is there someone Not on your ignore list? Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #109

There was no whine. Chill. 840high Oct 2015 #143

What a vile, disgusting post. GGJohn Oct 2015 #156

How is it that you manage not to ignore every single person on DU kcr Oct 2015 #160

Missed the point of the post entirely. AngryOldDem Oct 2015 #168

No, he was talking about guns. You missed the point. valerief Oct 2015 #187

Extensive and detailed training flobee1 Oct 2015 #34

Sounds fair to me. This post is more about the demonization of people like me though. n/t. ZM90 Oct 2015 #39

Yeah, i know flobee1 Oct 2015 #41

It's cool :) n/t ZM90 Oct 2015 #43

sounds like a great mix. nt JanMichael Oct 2015 #45

If we get the guns off the streets treestar Oct 2015 #46

I have a knife if I need protection. I don't own a gun. I am just sick of people like me being ZM90 Oct 2015 #49

...no one will need them to defend themselves, as others won't have them either. ryan_cats Oct 2015 #71

This is America Mojorabbit Oct 2015 #111

join a well-regulated militia librechik Oct 2015 #50

The president and the Democratic party think otherwise. nt hack89 Oct 2015 #52

The law (and linguistics) say otherwise. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #63

Depends on who or what you want to plug, cowboy. Warpy Oct 2015 #54

Why? Do you feel the impluse to murder people with a gun? Rex Oct 2015 #55

No I do not feel that impulse. In fact I do not even own a gun. I am just sick of the demonization ZM90 Oct 2015 #56

Oh well just view it as those folks that have the problem. Rex Oct 2015 #57

Between that and the ritual demonization of mental illness when this shit happens... backscatter712 Oct 2015 #58

good points! You're right, "The NRA keeps trotting out the "mental illness" talking points" Sunlei Oct 2015 #62

Society should not automatically assume **anything** about you. AngryOldDem Oct 2015 #59

No you should NOT be forced to forfeit your rights, UNLESS, Lurks Often Oct 2015 #60

You are buying into the propaganda n2doc Oct 2015 #64

Not sure who you think is saying that Marrah_G Oct 2015 #65

Same here, plus I think most people should understand that serial killers/mass murderers Rex Oct 2015 #67

Feel free to join a well-regulated militia. WinkyDink Oct 2015 #66

Though I am too old for mandatory service, I will when called. nt Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #112

I understand where you're coming from. Crunchy Frog Oct 2015 #70

Wow, so many people taking a collective shit on you. Throd Oct 2015 #73

I am not going to fling shit at anybody. I don't believe it gets us anywhere. ZM90 Oct 2015 #74

Yes. Dems to Win Oct 2015 #78

My daughter has Asperger's, Faux pas Oct 2015 #79

No loyalsister Oct 2015 #85

There was a seriously creepy "the only way to avoid" thread here yesterday. If you read the replies uppityperson Oct 2015 #90

I take issue with saying people with asperger's are socially "weird". KentuckyWoman Oct 2015 #96

Thank you for your support :). n/t. ZM90 Oct 2015 #113

You shouldn't have to forefeit anything. romanic Oct 2015 #105

Well, perhaps not. Turbineguy Oct 2015 #119

Yes. Deadshot Oct 2015 #120

Do you feel as though you are capable of such a thing? Marengo Oct 2015 #158

Speaking as a dx'd Asperger person hifiguy Oct 2015 #128

No. And I've been strongly arguing against people who've suggested that. pnwmom Oct 2015 #129

Yes. Iggo Oct 2015 #130

Those with Aspergers, No. Anger issues, meds that alter judgement, etc., Yes. Hoyt Oct 2015 #131

no -you are just a convienient scapegoat why the nra deflects any action once again dembotoz Oct 2015 #132

Yes mwrguy Oct 2015 #133

DU is becoming disappointing forsaken mortal Oct 2015 #135

Perhaps you have not spent enough time understanding the situation nolabels Oct 2015 #167

Post removed Post removed Oct 2015 #136

You didn't even read the post, did you. N/T Crunchy Frog Oct 2015 #139

I did and there is only one reason for it. Jappleseed Oct 2015 #150

B.S. Crunchy Frog Oct 2015 #151

+1 Euphoria Oct 2015 #153

According to gunzercentral, yes. Warren Stupidity Oct 2015 #137

Do you ever get mad enough where you want to shoot a motherfucker? snooper2 Oct 2015 #144

I want these motherfucking snakes off this motherfucking plane Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #146

The thread I think you're referring to was, I'm pretty sure, either done to make a point or Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #145

I think this entire country should forfeit that right kcr Oct 2015 #159

Why does your right to a gun supersede my right to live in a safe society? frizzled Oct 2015 #162

I'm not a mental health specialist-- but that's who should be making the call. Marr Oct 2015 #165

We need a highly intrusive system Crunchy Frog Oct 2015 #178

Such policies would directly contradict years of progressive advocacy branford Oct 2015 #181

I was employing sarcasm. Crunchy Frog Oct 2015 #184

Sorry, I didn't detect the sarcasm, branford Oct 2015 #185

You know what? Marr Oct 2015 #189

I apologize for not making the sarcastic nature of my post more clear. Crunchy Frog Oct 2015 #192

I think a more potent tool you might want to use being an person with Asperger's....... nolabels Oct 2015 #166

Well, if we are going to allow so many to walk around carrying guns, I don't see how Live and Learn Oct 2015 #183

Do you have need for a gun? last1standing Oct 2015 #188

No. mmonk Oct 2015 #193