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In reply to the discussion: A couple of years ago, I was personally responsible for starting a lot of OPs on Zimmerman [View all]Tommy_Carcetti
(43,199 posts)144. What evidence do you have to suggest that he "walked" after Martin?
Last edited Tue Sep 1, 2015, 03:52 PM - Edit history (1)
The dispatch call is here:
The time in which Zimmerman exits the vehicle to the point where the dispatch tells him not to follow is from 2:10 until 2:28. During that time, you'll notice that the wind noise becomes very significant consistent with air pressing up against the receiver at a fast pace. Also, Zimmerman's speech becomes more labored consistent with him running (as you'll notice by his barely audible "fucking punks" comment).
But most importantly, if Martin is running and Zimmerman wants to know what way he's going, why would he casually walk after someone who's running? He'd basically lose sight of him the moment he left the car.
My personal belief is that Zimmerman started chasing Trayvon, lost sight of him when Trayvon reached the top of the "T" of the dog walk. He's then told by dispatch that he doesn't need to follow Trayvon. But instead of returning to his car as dispatch assumed he would, he continued to snoop out the scene on foot in order to determine where Trayvon may have ran. (Hence, that's why Zimmerman first told dispatch to have police meet him at the car but then suddenly decided to change his mind and told dispatch to have police call him when they arrived). He probably went all the way out to Retreat View Circle (the far east street in the community), may have walked down to where the east street exit is in the community, and not finding Trayvon, began to walk back to the car.
Meanwhile, I believe Trayvon, in running from the strange Zimmerman (again, who is following and chasing him for reasons he doesn't know), probably ran down the dog walk between Two Trees Lane and Retreat View Circle in order to hide out for his safety (as it is darker than the lighted street areas). He probably waited there for several minutes (during which time I believe Zimmerman was searching the Retreat View exit area). Figuring after several minutes the coast was clear, he probably started back up the dog walk with the intention of heading over to Retreat View Circle to return home. (**Note: People often confuse the dog walk for a frontage street with street numbers and remark that if Trayvon made it to the dog walk, he was almost home. However, this was a back alleyway, it was dark, there were no street numbers on the back of the townhomes, and Trayvon not being that familiar with the neighborhood only having been there a few days might not have been able to recognize the Brandy Green townhome from the back. So it's quite likely he headed back up the dog walk to return to Retreat View and enter the home from the front entrance.)
I believe that it just happened that at the time Trayvon was walking up the dog walk, Zimmerman was heading back east towards his car, and that's where the final confrontation occurred. And it's important to point out again that Zimmerman never identified himself to Trayvon before the physical altercation between the two. And I hypothesize that Zimmerman may have attempted to grab Trayvon to detain him until police arrived, and Trayvon naturally resisted and attempted to fight off Zimmerman (still not having any idea who he was) and hence the physical altercation between the two started.
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A couple of years ago, I was personally responsible for starting a lot of OPs on Zimmerman [View all]
MrScorpio
Aug 2015
OP
Trump doesn't carry a gun, with the hope of being in a situation, so he can use it to kill people.
-none
Aug 2015
#65
I don't wish that either, but I would guess given his proclivity of getting into trouble
davidpdx
Aug 2015
#116
Zimmerman is an icon of the tsunami of racism that has swept this entire country...
AlbertCat
Aug 2015
#16
It doesn't take informed and intelligent people long to come to the right conclusion
underpants
Aug 2015
#19
So many just like him, sadly they rarely get caught for their horrific crimes
AuntPatsy
Aug 2015
#22
I firmly believe that Zimmerman is a lying, murdering sociopath who escaped justice.
Enthusiast
Aug 2015
#27
Many of them are just gun trolls desperate to protect their perceived right to tote.
ellisonz
Aug 2015
#29
Just because jurors referred to the accused as "Georgie Boy" or "Georgie" cant recall which
randys1
Aug 2015
#151
But how do you know that if you werent there. I dont know about the jury, do you?
randys1
Sep 2015
#178
I am not claiming anything, i accept your observation and it sounds like the state dodging this one
randys1
Sep 2015
#180
All I can say is thank you, Mr. S, and I wish Z's defenders here were truly gone....
Hekate
Aug 2015
#42
There should be no doubt in anyone's mind now. I recall people sticking up for him, as well.
C Moon
Aug 2015
#50
I was on MIRT around that time - the Zimmerman posts were like flypaper
NRaleighLiberal
Aug 2015
#53
I agree 100%, always have. George Zimmerman is a racist sociopathic murderer!
DrewFlorida
Aug 2015
#54
"Trayvon is black and that is all that matters. And we love our shibboleths...."
steve2470
Aug 2015
#61
I'm sorry, but in what way does any of that you've just said made any logical sense whatsoever?
Tommy_Carcetti
Aug 2015
#129
Trayvon Martin ran because a strange man was following him for no apparent reason....
Tommy_Carcetti
Aug 2015
#137
Zimmerman didn't park and disembark at the clubhouse, he parked around the top of the T.
Tommy_Carcetti
Sep 2015
#173
Zimmerman didn't sound scared on his phone call with dispatch. He sounded angry.
Tommy_Carcetti
Aug 2015
#132
Let's pretend person A is a white 22 year old woman from the nearby Air Force Base
dflprincess
Aug 2015
#107
Your repeated self-victimizations as a lynching victim when discussing the death of a
Starry Messenger
Aug 2015
#94
I'm shocked that some people here can continue to post such racist crap.
Elmer S. E. Dump
Aug 2015
#112
Except for those who pretend that holding a different agreement is blindness.
LanternWaste
Sep 2015
#162
And criticizing the rest of us for not spitting because we are too compassionate
Starry Messenger
Aug 2015
#133
"Come clean"??? How do I know? Because you're agreeing with the guy everyone is disagreeing with
CreekDog
Aug 2015
#157
There are 341 recommends for this thread that you thanked hfojvt for sh*tting in...
CreekDog
Aug 2015
#158
You are correct, Mr Scorpio, GZ is a racist sociopathic stalker bullier murderer.
Dont call me Shirley
Aug 2015
#58
He is a lying murderous racist sociopath who benefited completely from the presumption of innocence
steve2470
Aug 2015
#63
K&R. Well done OP. That racist, pork coward Zimmerman should be in solitary for life.
appalachiablue
Aug 2015
#69
I am lookng forwards to the day Zimmerman pisses off or steps on the wrong set of feet
nadinbrzezinski
Aug 2015
#81