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H2O Man

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Sat Aug 15, 2015, 12:29 AM Aug 2015

People Are Strange [View all]

“People are strange.”
-- Jim Morrison


Probably all of us have, from time to time, read some comments by another DU community member and wondered, “What the heck? Why would she/he say THAT?” And I’m not talking about the obvious attempts to disrupt a liberal-progressive Democratic web site. There will always be a splattering of such nonsense, and we already know both the “what” and “why” of such behavior.

Rather, my focus is on those who are members of the Democratic Party, and are sincere -- though misguided -- in their attempts to promote their own point of view. However, in attempting to get their needs met, they appear comfortable in making others uncomfortable. Their eagerness to insult others -- individuals and groups -- is a type of human behavior that has led theologians, psychologists, politicians, sociologists, mystics, and math teachers to the shared belief that Jim Morrison was right: people are strange.

A response to an OP that I posted yesterday got me thinking about “personality,” and how an individual’s personality helps or hinders their participation in a larger community (or society) of people. My friend’s question accurately noted that both heredity and environment are contributing factors. The two combine to create an individual’s personality -- their character and their behavior.

The dividing-line between heredity and environment isn’t always distinct and clear-cut. By the simplest of definitions, heredity is everything involved before birth, and environment everything that happens after birth. Yet, the environment the expectant mother lives in definitely impacts the baby -- from her diet to her mood -- just as surely as her DNA contributes. And the power inherent in DNA is a miracle that scientists recognize as a most amazing life-force; the ability to understand DNA will not only improve the quality of human life on earth, but may well be what saves us from the extinction we seem to be unconsciously aiming for.

Now, it has become fashionable, in some circles, to ask if being a registered republican is evidence of a major mental illness. Indeed, a unbiased response would have to include some shared delusional beliefs -- and corresponding behaviors -- among our republican brothers and sisters. It’s a tad difficult, for example, to argue that fellows like Richard Nixon or George W. Bush were the pictures of mental health and stability. Yet both were put in office for two terms. Someone voted for them. What does that say about them?

Yet even delusions, or even certain episodes of psychosis, are not “proof” of a major mental illness. Rather, they can be the stuff of personality disorders. And while they are issues of mental health, they are distinct from major mental illness….though often related in some ways. People are complex beings.

Let’s take a brief look at some of the differences between major mental illnesses and personality disorders. In the field of mental health, for example, the major mental illnesses are diagnosed as “Axis 1,” and personality disorders as “Axis 2.” ( Or, we might say “levels” 1 and 2.) The majority of major mental illnesses are disorders in brain chemistry, and likely hereditary. While they have an impact upon the personality of the individual, they are not an indicator of character. Thus, as a population, I’ve found those with major mental illnesses -- including through work, family, and friends -- to be among the most caring, honest, and honorable people I’ve met. It’s worth noting that those who suffer from a major mental illness are far, far more likely to be a victim of a violent crime, than to commit one.(The mass media pretends otherwise, which I find highly offensive.)

Major mental illnesses cause thoughts and behaviors that create distress in a person’s life. While it is true that those experiencing the manic phase of a bipolar illness may enjoy some of the early symptoms, it eventually causes distress and disturbance.

A personality disorder, despite its ability to at times mimic a major mental illness, is different in important ways. First, they are largely learned behavior. In the simplest terms, it is the attitude and behaviors that a kid growing up in a dysfunctional family learns, in order to get his or her needs met. When that person takes those attitudes and behaviors out into the bigger world outside of their dysfunctional family system, they do not tend to fit in well.

One major distinction between major mental illness -- which causes suffering for the individual -- is that the personality-disordered person finds comfort in their dysfunctional behaviors. Indeed, their behavior almost exclusively causes discomfort, even suffering, for those around them.

With all people, there are three closely related factors that combine for personality: thinking. character traits, and behaviors. Thinking, of course includes everything from intelligence to attitude; character has to do with approach (honest, liar, nice, mean, etc); and behaviors are the person’s interactions with the outside world, particularly other human beings.

All people develop the ability to behave differently in distinct situations. One tends to be more relaxed with friends, for example, than in a formal situation, such as a court appearance. A person often shows a different side of themselves to family members, than to medical professionals. One can see how their thinking and character traits impact their behaviors in different settings.

One of the cultural dynamics that adds an ugly tint to modern society is “road rage.” It demonstrates how the synergy of high stress levels, low frustration levels, and de-humanization leads to unhealthy amounts of hostility being aimed at “strangers.” Just as people behave differently in various person-to-person interactions, this phenomenon takes place between people isolated from direct contact, by being in the relative safety of their car. Beeping horns, middle fingers, aggressive driving, and “Hey! Fuck you!” takes over. In some instances, things spin even further out of control.

Thus, when people are even more isolated -- sitting in their home, in front of a computer screen -- and can’t even see the other through glass windows, we find a strange type of “road rage” taking place on the information highway. And that includes here, on DU. While not everyone who disagrees with you or I is painfully personality disordered. Often, good and intelligent people disagree. Even on important things.

The test, I believe, is in watching for patterns of behavior. That involves looking closely at the other persons thinking; their character; and how they behave. Sometimes, rather than becoming annoyed with another forum member, and engaging in a pointless, often emotional squabble, it is better to step back, and dis-engage. Not “disengage” by quitting DU -- although arguing with a cluster of personality disordered people can be so frustrating, one might feel like quitting. But, rather, to just step back, and let the other person unload. Trust others to evaluate the quality of what those folks unload.

Most people find it difficult to not react to the personality disordered opposition. This is particularly true, when dealing with a passive-aggressive or a borderline personality disordered person. Probably all of us can identify a few people that we’ve engaged in weird conversations with, or who tend to follow us around on the forum, who’s personality makes meaningful conversation impossible. It can be frustrating, in the sense that we can see that they have intelligence. But they are annoying.

For example, while my goal isn’t to argue with others here -- those who think differently can be rewarding to talk with -- I’ve had a few “shadows” over the years. Most have been tomb-stoned. But a few are definitely solid Democrats; we simply do not like each other. In one current case, it’s an intelligent, well-meaning but terribly bitter fellow, with a rather severe borderline personality disorder. He has cycles of accepting that we will never converse again, and then compulsively adding little bitter comments to my threads, like a nasty little Chihuahua peeing on a rug.

I sometimes just ignore his bitterness, and other times, read his contributions. It would be easy to crush him in a debate -- but why? I feel sorry that anyone’s life-experience would result in being that unhappy, anxious, bitter, and paranoid. An insult from me isn’t likely to improve his lot. It could only reinforce that borderline disorder, including his mistaken belief that I am involved in his life. I’m not. I’m just some weird guy participating in a discussion forum. Sad, really.

Maybe keep this in mind, when you participate in conversations on this forum. Even those you naturally think of as annoying -- or simply as jackasses -- may be good people, who have been damaged by life. If that damage had been done to them physically, we would surely be patient with them. But instead, it is people who’s being has been injured by life. Be patient. Be compassionate. If necessary, disengage. But don’t react with anger or hostility.

Ramblings from an old man. Thanks for reading.

H2O Man

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People Are Strange [View all] H2O Man Aug 2015 OP
Seems to me they are actually stranger when you're a stranger too. pipoman Aug 2015 #1
Well done! H2O Man Aug 2015 #3
You are one of the good ones, H2O Man. nt Hekate Aug 2015 #2
Thank you! H2O Man Aug 2015 #6
A great line from the play, The Fantasticks in which the inge'nue kneels and prays by saying AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #59
Love it! H2O Man Aug 2015 #60
Thanks for the reminder! nt valerief Aug 2015 #4
Some times, it H2O Man Aug 2015 #7
Thats some good guality H2O... CentralMass Aug 2015 #5
Thank you. H2O Man Aug 2015 #8
I like most of your post PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #9
No. H2O Man Aug 2015 #10
well PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #13
That may be, but H2O Man Aug 2015 #15
Only the person you are calling out PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #17
Doubt it. H2O Man Aug 2015 #18
I call out people, sometimes very directly PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #19
actually it could apply to a lot of people hfojvt Aug 2015 #75
You could have been talking about me. I've been particularly annoying lately notadmblnd Aug 2015 #27
As a general rule, H2O Man Aug 2015 #28
"Self-reflection is, when done honestly, sometimes painful, but nevertheless essential." bvar22 Aug 2015 #61
Right. H2O Man Aug 2015 #62
When I was 39, I had a conversation with an ancient Black Man on Park Bench in New Orleans. bvar22 Aug 2015 #64
Very interesting. H2O Man Aug 2015 #66
I was very lucky to meet that old man on the bench that day. bvar22 Aug 2015 #67
no name, no call out. mopinko Aug 2015 #33
Thanks. H2O Man Aug 2015 #39
there is a prize in every box. mopinko Aug 2015 #47
I'm convinced H2O Man Aug 2015 #58
yeah, the city/alderman hate those calls. mopinko Aug 2015 #69
Yawn ... (nt) sunnystarr Aug 2015 #70
While I find the tendency to label things 'personality disorders' to be offputting... Shandris Aug 2015 #11
Thanks. H2O Man Aug 2015 #12
Some background music CentralMass Aug 2015 #14
Thank you! H2O Man Aug 2015 #16
That is what I thought when I read the headline. zeemike Aug 2015 #23
Best discussion of mental illness vs. personality disorders I've ever seen tavalon Aug 2015 #20
Family systems are H2O Man Aug 2015 #30
Always thoughtful, H2O Man. Control-Z Aug 2015 #21
I remember, many years ago, H2O Man Aug 2015 #35
Bril JackInGreen Aug 2015 #22
Thanks, JackInGreen! H2O Man Aug 2015 #36
That was fun Fairgo Aug 2015 #24
Very interesting. Thanks. H2O Man Aug 2015 #40
computer "road rage" KT2000 Aug 2015 #25
Right. H2O Man Aug 2015 #41
Great post arithia Aug 2015 #26
Thank you. H2O Man Aug 2015 #43
Great post... ms liberty Aug 2015 #29
Although I usually try H2O Man Aug 2015 #31
I found myself making a similar point... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #32
Interesting timing! H2O Man Aug 2015 #34
That means a great deal to me... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #38
Your friendship H2O Man Aug 2015 #44
We need more ramblings like this one WaterMan malaise Aug 2015 #37
Thanks! H2O Man Aug 2015 #46
Another thoughtful post H2O Man. lovemydog Aug 2015 #42
It makes sense! H2O Man Aug 2015 #48
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #45
Thanks, Uncle Joe. H2O Man Aug 2015 #49
Sometimes I need the occasional annoying gadfly. ananda Aug 2015 #50
They can be H2O Man Aug 2015 #52
By consistently not providing an "audience", we may be able to help those with personality Zorra Aug 2015 #51
Very good! H2O Man Aug 2015 #53
Interesting Babel_17 Aug 2015 #54
The older generation H2O Man Aug 2015 #56
The old Amish proverb: GoneOffShore Aug 2015 #55
A group of Amish H2O Man Aug 2015 #57
you put into words, so many of my thoughts Quayblue Aug 2015 #63
Thank you. H2O Man Aug 2015 #65
I always read your posts and you're welcome Quayblue Aug 2015 #68
So when we meet a fellow with a big chip on his shoulder... hootinholler Aug 2015 #71
I found, years ago, H2O Man Aug 2015 #72
I have to take some issue with this post. Crunchy Frog Aug 2015 #73
Some topics are uncomfortable. H2O Man Aug 2015 #74
It's the sweeping generalizations, coupled with the label Crunchy Frog Aug 2015 #78
Right. H2O Man Aug 2015 #79
I wanted to reply to this. Sorry it took me awhile. Crunchy Frog Aug 2015 #80
Thank you. H2O Man Aug 2015 #81
interesting and I like that song hfojvt Aug 2015 #76
Saving for later Faux pas Aug 2015 #77
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