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Cleita

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38. Actually, the Scandanavian countries have the richest workers in th world

Reply to Alfalfa (Reply #30)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 12:21 PM

Aug 2015

because most are unionized and they can earn anything from $30 to $60 an hour in our money.

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What comes next after capitalism fails? [View all] Binkie The Clown Jul 2015 OP

go back to barter? nt msongs Jul 2015 #1

Jan. 2, 2013: "Euros discarded as impoverished Greeks resort to bartering" 4139 Jul 2015 #2

What comes next after capitalism fails? DJ13 Aug 2015 #3

Most of the rest of the world will end up as a Democrat Socialism like in Europe. The USA the jwirr Aug 2015 #19

There usually comes a point where soldiers won't fight for oligarchs anymore daleo Aug 2015 #75

It never succeeded. Gregorian Aug 2015 #4

+1 Alkene Aug 2015 #11

Les Trente Glorieuse, The Glorious Thirty, 1945-1975 as the French call it and in appalachiablue Aug 2015 #129

That won't work Alfalfa Aug 2015 #12

Really? Alkene Aug 2015 #16

What else has ever worked? Alfalfa Aug 2015 #17

Democratic Socialism Alkene Aug 2015 #18

They have many problems in Scandinavia Alfalfa Aug 2015 #28

What problems? Could you give some examples? Cleita Aug 2015 #33

They have big problems with crime and other social unrest Alfalfa Aug 2015 #35

Crime and social unrest? That still isn't very specific. Cleita Aug 2015 #37

There were riots in Stockholm just the other year Alfalfa Aug 2015 #39

What kind of riots? If they were so devastating why don't they make the news? Cleita Aug 2015 #41

It was in the news Alfalfa Aug 2015 #43

Well then a link to back up your story would be helpful. Cleita Aug 2015 #44

... Alfalfa Aug 2015 #45

Thank you. Cleita Aug 2015 #52

Their social policies and economic system are to blame for this Alfalfa Aug 2015 #57

Yes. Isn't it awful that they lent a helping hand to people in Cleita Aug 2015 #61

Uncontrolled immigration isn't a sensible policy for anyone Alfalfa Aug 2015 #62

Well, of course, one must always look after oneself because those Cleita Aug 2015 #64

That's not what I said Alfalfa Aug 2015 #67

Your assertion was that they were having big problems with crime and social unrest, Cleita Aug 2015 #69

It will all need to be hashed out in the future Mojorabbit Aug 2015 #118

If police violence leading to riots just the other year negates democratic socialism RichVRichV Aug 2015 #55

It wasn't police violence that led to the riots Alfalfa Aug 2015 #58

My bad. RichVRichV Aug 2015 #86

What are you talking about? RichVRichV Aug 2015 #46

The low incarceration rates aren't a good thing Alfalfa Aug 2015 #47

Rising or falling RichVRichV Aug 2015 #51

They benefited from some good circumstances Alfalfa Aug 2015 #53

You didn't just say that. RichVRichV Aug 2015 #87

Their policy of uncontrolled immigration Alfalfa Aug 2015 #96

I'd like to see a link to a reputable source. thank you for providing one. uppityperson Aug 2015 #100

Define "reputable source" Alfalfa Aug 2015 #104

Start by giving a source and we can talk whether or not is reputable. uppityperson Aug 2015 #105

We could do that, but why not just settle the issue here and now? Alfalfa Aug 2015 #106

You refuse to give any source for your claim until I tell you what is acceptable? Wow. uppityperson Aug 2015 #107

Who appointed you the judge of what is "acceptable"? Alfalfa Aug 2015 #108

You will give no link to your claim. None. Gotcha. uppityperson Aug 2015 #109

I will give you a link when you define "reputable source" Alfalfa Aug 2015 #110

a place, person, or thing from which something comes or can be obtained...having a good reputation uppityperson Aug 2015 #111

Ok, so give me a list of all the places, people or things that have a good reputation Alfalfa Aug 2015 #112

goalpost moving. You demanded a definition, I gave one. Your turn to provide a link, any link uppityperson Aug 2015 #113

We all already knew that a reputable source referred to a source with a good reputation Alfalfa Aug 2015 #115

'will give you a link when you define "reputable source"'. Definition given. Link? nt uppityperson Aug 2015 #122

It hasn't been given. What is a source with a "good reputation"? Alfalfa Aug 2015 #123

goalpost moving. You demanded a definition, I gave one. Your turn to provide a link, any link uppityperson Aug 2015 #126

You didn't give a definition Alfalfa Aug 2015 #127

Have you ever answered a question directly? Have you ever just simply given a link when asked to uppityperson Aug 2015 #130

So you admit that thier democratic socialism has nothing to do with any crime issues. RichVRichV Aug 2015 #102

The US never had anything of the kind Alfalfa Aug 2015 #103

Tell that to the USCIS. RichVRichV Aug 2015 #116

I will tell them that Alfalfa Aug 2015 #117

That is not entirely true RichVRichV Aug 2015 #120

A distinction without a difference Alfalfa Aug 2015 #125

It might seem like semantics and it definitely wasn't right RichVRichV Aug 2015 #128

Yes. They would be so much better off with our system of privatized Cleita Aug 2015 #56

What else should they do with them? Alfalfa Aug 2015 #60

Rehabilitating people? FFS I can't believe I'm reading this Cleita Aug 2015 #63

I'm aware of their rehabiliation programs Alfalfa Aug 2015 #65

I don't think they are letting them loose in society. Cleita Aug 2015 #66

Julian Assange is a special case Alfalfa Aug 2015 #68

Yes, he's so special that they made special laws for him. Cleita Aug 2015 #74

Even Democratic Socilaism has capital-based market economy. Adrahil Aug 2015 #49

Very true. Alkene Aug 2015 #77

Regulation being the key word. Cleita Aug 2015 #78

Well, capitalism serves the owners of capital.... Adrahil Aug 2015 #92

I would just as soon chuck out the system, but since I have to Cleita Aug 2015 #93

Yeah, I agree with Marx's criticisms of it, but I'm left... Adrahil Aug 2015 #94

I don't look to the past to find what works in this case. Gregorian Aug 2015 #23

We have the richest workers in the world Alfalfa Aug 2015 #30

Communism and democratic socialism isn't the same thing.... nt haikugal Aug 2015 #31

I don't think that poster was proposing Democratic Socialism Alfalfa Aug 2015 #32

Call it anything as long as it addresses the employment problem capitalism is plagued with. Gregorian Aug 2015 #71

Actually, the Scandanavian countries have the richest workers in th world Cleita Aug 2015 #38

What's the actual "take home" after they pay their tax rates? Lee-Lee Aug 2015 #42

I would put up a link but I'm on a mobile device right now. Cleita Aug 2015 #48

We have a criminally large schism between those who own us and those who do the work. Gregorian Aug 2015 #70

No we don't. Although we are not the worst in terms of income inequality, we Exilednight Aug 2015 #84

Read chapters 1 & 2 of the Prople's History of the United States and Exilednight Aug 2015 #82

Capitalism is an economic system than can work or fail in any kind Cleita Aug 2015 #40

Capitalism is inherently flawed by virtue of the employer/employee configuration. Gregorian Aug 2015 #72

I agree. I wasn't implying that it was wonderful. Cleita Aug 2015 #73

How about a moneyless society, like Star Trek? Cleita Aug 2015 #5

I'm in. BlueJazz Aug 2015 #8

Not all homes and land are equal Alfalfa Aug 2015 #13

Any suggestions? Cleita Aug 2015 #22

Can I get a job programming that computer? FrodosPet Aug 2015 #20

Sure if you are hired by the committee that does those things. Cleita Aug 2015 #24

Then we can work together to really get the primo stuff FrodosPet Aug 2015 #26

Oh that wouldn't be a problem because you would have plenty of leisure Cleita Aug 2015 #27

Yes, this would be ideal, and I think this will eventually happen, no idea when. The current RKP5637 Aug 2015 #29

You have just entered the next level... AOR Aug 2015 #89

Thank you. I thought I was on the right track. Cleita Aug 2015 #90

I'm in also! nt Mojorabbit Aug 2015 #119

Mad Max First Speaker Aug 2015 #6

Only for a while. Lots of deaths but another system will eventually arise. Katashi_itto Aug 2015 #15

I was gonna say 'Thunderdome!', but you beat me. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #54

Well something needs to happen NobodyHere Aug 2015 #7

Yup laundry_queen Aug 2015 #9

It failed long ago LostOne4Ever Aug 2015 #10

"Soziale Marktwirtschaft" DetlefK Aug 2015 #14

Germany may be no paradise DFW Aug 2015 #21

It's also because in those states, one ideology (system of values) dominated over most others HereSince1628 Aug 2015 #76

I think the problem was that the governments that ran everything, were totalitarian dictatorships. Cleita Aug 2015 #79

Christo-Facist Theocracy. JoePhilly Aug 2015 #25

They'll try, that's certain! haikugal Aug 2015 #36

Different things in different places. Feudalism, theocracies and warlords are all possibilities. nt GliderGuider Aug 2015 #34

I disagree with the premise of failure. Capitalism is a roaring success for the Capitalists. 2banon Aug 2015 #50

I think it has to get a lot worse flobee1 Aug 2015 #97

I agree. 2banon Aug 2015 #101

Venezuela is running an intriguing experiment as a non-capitalist system. Nye Bevan Aug 2015 #59

Just a few, mind you............. n/t DFW Aug 2015 #80

What happens at the end of a game of monopoly? The winners stuff goes back in the box. n/t lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #81

After capitalism? Worker-owned businesses! justaddh2o Aug 2015 #83

And not suprising RichVRichV Aug 2015 #88

Is something stopping a worker owned business today? brooklynite Aug 2015 #124

Hopefully, civilization. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #85

The Apocalypse. End of Days. But then... kydo Aug 2015 #91

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #95

Whatever it is moondust Aug 2015 #98

We don't have capitalism. raouldukelives Aug 2015 #99

Mercantilism AngryAmish Aug 2015 #114

Re-re-re-reformed capitalism? DirkGently Aug 2015 #121