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Binkie The Clown

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Fri Jul 31, 2015, 11:37 PM Jul 2015

What comes next after capitalism fails? [View all]

Face it, there are more symptoms every month that capitalism is failing. Failing the workers, failing the consumers, failing the environment, corrupting governments all around the globe, and generally coming apart at the seems.

Here's one take on the question:

After capitalism, what comes next? For a start, ethics

Jenny Cameron, University of Newcastle; Katherine Gibson, University of Western Sydney, and Stephen Healy, University of Western Sydney

If the comments generated by the recent publication of excerpts from Paul Mason’s forthcoming book, Postcapitalism: A Guide to Our Future, are anything to go by, its release at the end of the month should kick up a storm.

Mason’s book is about a seismic economic shift already underway, one that is as profound as the transformation from feudalism to capitalism. In the excerpts, Mason observes that:

… whole swaths of economic life are beginning to move to a different rhythm.

The shift is evidenced by developments such as collaborative production and the sharing economy. Mason attributes this economic transformation to advances in information technology, particularly the global networks of people and ideas that are now possible.


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What comes next after capitalism fails? [View all] Binkie The Clown Jul 2015 OP
go back to barter? nt msongs Jul 2015 #1
Jan. 2, 2013: "Euros discarded as impoverished Greeks resort to bartering" 4139 Jul 2015 #2
What comes next after capitalism fails? DJ13 Aug 2015 #3
Most of the rest of the world will end up as a Democrat Socialism like in Europe. The USA the jwirr Aug 2015 #19
There usually comes a point where soldiers won't fight for oligarchs anymore daleo Aug 2015 #75
It never succeeded. Gregorian Aug 2015 #4
+1 Alkene Aug 2015 #11
Les Trente Glorieuse, The Glorious Thirty, 1945-1975 as the French call it and in appalachiablue Aug 2015 #129
That won't work Alfalfa Aug 2015 #12
Really? Alkene Aug 2015 #16
What else has ever worked? Alfalfa Aug 2015 #17
Democratic Socialism Alkene Aug 2015 #18
They have many problems in Scandinavia Alfalfa Aug 2015 #28
What problems? Could you give some examples? Cleita Aug 2015 #33
They have big problems with crime and other social unrest Alfalfa Aug 2015 #35
Crime and social unrest? That still isn't very specific. Cleita Aug 2015 #37
There were riots in Stockholm just the other year Alfalfa Aug 2015 #39
What kind of riots? If they were so devastating why don't they make the news? Cleita Aug 2015 #41
It was in the news Alfalfa Aug 2015 #43
Well then a link to back up your story would be helpful. Cleita Aug 2015 #44
... Alfalfa Aug 2015 #45
Thank you. Cleita Aug 2015 #52
Their social policies and economic system are to blame for this Alfalfa Aug 2015 #57
Yes. Isn't it awful that they lent a helping hand to people in Cleita Aug 2015 #61
Uncontrolled immigration isn't a sensible policy for anyone Alfalfa Aug 2015 #62
Well, of course, one must always look after oneself because those Cleita Aug 2015 #64
That's not what I said Alfalfa Aug 2015 #67
Your assertion was that they were having big problems with crime and social unrest, Cleita Aug 2015 #69
It will all need to be hashed out in the future Mojorabbit Aug 2015 #118
If police violence leading to riots just the other year negates democratic socialism RichVRichV Aug 2015 #55
It wasn't police violence that led to the riots Alfalfa Aug 2015 #58
My bad. RichVRichV Aug 2015 #86
What are you talking about? RichVRichV Aug 2015 #46
The low incarceration rates aren't a good thing Alfalfa Aug 2015 #47
Rising or falling RichVRichV Aug 2015 #51
They benefited from some good circumstances Alfalfa Aug 2015 #53
You didn't just say that. RichVRichV Aug 2015 #87
Their policy of uncontrolled immigration Alfalfa Aug 2015 #96
I'd like to see a link to a reputable source. thank you for providing one. uppityperson Aug 2015 #100
Define "reputable source" Alfalfa Aug 2015 #104
Start by giving a source and we can talk whether or not is reputable. uppityperson Aug 2015 #105
We could do that, but why not just settle the issue here and now? Alfalfa Aug 2015 #106
You refuse to give any source for your claim until I tell you what is acceptable? Wow. uppityperson Aug 2015 #107
Who appointed you the judge of what is "acceptable"? Alfalfa Aug 2015 #108
You will give no link to your claim. None. Gotcha. uppityperson Aug 2015 #109
I will give you a link when you define "reputable source" Alfalfa Aug 2015 #110
a place, person, or thing from which something comes or can be obtained...having a good reputation uppityperson Aug 2015 #111
Ok, so give me a list of all the places, people or things that have a good reputation Alfalfa Aug 2015 #112
goalpost moving. You demanded a definition, I gave one. Your turn to provide a link, any link uppityperson Aug 2015 #113
We all already knew that a reputable source referred to a source with a good reputation Alfalfa Aug 2015 #115
'will give you a link when you define "reputable source"'. Definition given. Link? nt uppityperson Aug 2015 #122
It hasn't been given. What is a source with a "good reputation"? Alfalfa Aug 2015 #123
goalpost moving. You demanded a definition, I gave one. Your turn to provide a link, any link uppityperson Aug 2015 #126
You didn't give a definition Alfalfa Aug 2015 #127
Have you ever answered a question directly? Have you ever just simply given a link when asked to uppityperson Aug 2015 #130
So you admit that thier democratic socialism has nothing to do with any crime issues. RichVRichV Aug 2015 #102
The US never had anything of the kind Alfalfa Aug 2015 #103
Tell that to the USCIS. RichVRichV Aug 2015 #116
I will tell them that Alfalfa Aug 2015 #117
That is not entirely true RichVRichV Aug 2015 #120
A distinction without a difference Alfalfa Aug 2015 #125
It might seem like semantics and it definitely wasn't right RichVRichV Aug 2015 #128
Yes. They would be so much better off with our system of privatized Cleita Aug 2015 #56
What else should they do with them? Alfalfa Aug 2015 #60
Rehabilitating people? FFS I can't believe I'm reading this Cleita Aug 2015 #63
I'm aware of their rehabiliation programs Alfalfa Aug 2015 #65
I don't think they are letting them loose in society. Cleita Aug 2015 #66
Julian Assange is a special case Alfalfa Aug 2015 #68
Yes, he's so special that they made special laws for him. Cleita Aug 2015 #74
Even Democratic Socilaism has capital-based market economy. Adrahil Aug 2015 #49
Very true. Alkene Aug 2015 #77
Regulation being the key word. Cleita Aug 2015 #78
Well, capitalism serves the owners of capital.... Adrahil Aug 2015 #92
I would just as soon chuck out the system, but since I have to Cleita Aug 2015 #93
Yeah, I agree with Marx's criticisms of it, but I'm left... Adrahil Aug 2015 #94
I don't look to the past to find what works in this case. Gregorian Aug 2015 #23
We have the richest workers in the world Alfalfa Aug 2015 #30
Communism and democratic socialism isn't the same thing.... nt haikugal Aug 2015 #31
I don't think that poster was proposing Democratic Socialism Alfalfa Aug 2015 #32
Call it anything as long as it addresses the employment problem capitalism is plagued with. Gregorian Aug 2015 #71
Actually, the Scandanavian countries have the richest workers in th world Cleita Aug 2015 #38
What's the actual "take home" after they pay their tax rates? Lee-Lee Aug 2015 #42
I would put up a link but I'm on a mobile device right now. Cleita Aug 2015 #48
We have a criminally large schism between those who own us and those who do the work. Gregorian Aug 2015 #70
No we don't. Although we are not the worst in terms of income inequality, we Exilednight Aug 2015 #84
Read chapters 1 & 2 of the Prople's History of the United States and Exilednight Aug 2015 #82
Capitalism is an economic system than can work or fail in any kind Cleita Aug 2015 #40
Capitalism is inherently flawed by virtue of the employer/employee configuration. Gregorian Aug 2015 #72
I agree. I wasn't implying that it was wonderful. Cleita Aug 2015 #73
How about a moneyless society, like Star Trek? Cleita Aug 2015 #5
I'm in. BlueJazz Aug 2015 #8
Not all homes and land are equal Alfalfa Aug 2015 #13
Any suggestions? Cleita Aug 2015 #22
Can I get a job programming that computer? FrodosPet Aug 2015 #20
Sure if you are hired by the committee that does those things. Cleita Aug 2015 #24
Then we can work together to really get the primo stuff FrodosPet Aug 2015 #26
Oh that wouldn't be a problem because you would have plenty of leisure Cleita Aug 2015 #27
Yes, this would be ideal, and I think this will eventually happen, no idea when. The current RKP5637 Aug 2015 #29
You have just entered the next level... AOR Aug 2015 #89
Thank you. I thought I was on the right track. Cleita Aug 2015 #90
I'm in also! nt Mojorabbit Aug 2015 #119
Mad Max First Speaker Aug 2015 #6
Only for a while. Lots of deaths but another system will eventually arise. Katashi_itto Aug 2015 #15
I was gonna say 'Thunderdome!', but you beat me. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #54
Well something needs to happen NobodyHere Aug 2015 #7
Yup laundry_queen Aug 2015 #9
It failed long ago LostOne4Ever Aug 2015 #10
"Soziale Marktwirtschaft" DetlefK Aug 2015 #14
Germany may be no paradise DFW Aug 2015 #21
It's also because in those states, one ideology (system of values) dominated over most others HereSince1628 Aug 2015 #76
I think the problem was that the governments that ran everything, were totalitarian dictatorships. Cleita Aug 2015 #79
Christo-Facist Theocracy. JoePhilly Aug 2015 #25
They'll try, that's certain! haikugal Aug 2015 #36
Different things in different places. Feudalism, theocracies and warlords are all possibilities. nt GliderGuider Aug 2015 #34
I disagree with the premise of failure. Capitalism is a roaring success for the Capitalists. 2banon Aug 2015 #50
I think it has to get a lot worse flobee1 Aug 2015 #97
I agree. 2banon Aug 2015 #101
Venezuela is running an intriguing experiment as a non-capitalist system. Nye Bevan Aug 2015 #59
Just a few, mind you............. n/t DFW Aug 2015 #80
What happens at the end of a game of monopoly? The winners stuff goes back in the box. n/t lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #81
After capitalism? Worker-owned businesses! justaddh2o Aug 2015 #83
And not suprising RichVRichV Aug 2015 #88
Is something stopping a worker owned business today? brooklynite Aug 2015 #124
Hopefully, civilization. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #85
The Apocalypse. End of Days. But then... kydo Aug 2015 #91
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #95
Whatever it is moondust Aug 2015 #98
We don't have capitalism. raouldukelives Aug 2015 #99
Mercantilism AngryAmish Aug 2015 #114
Re-re-re-reformed capitalism? DirkGently Aug 2015 #121
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