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101. Grand Rapids is the wealthiest part of the state. Even worse! nt

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White American male with a weapon who believes in his own superiority kills in order to feel powerful [View all] gollygee Jul 2015 OP

The common factor in these instances is HATE, intolerance, and prejudice. darkangel218 Jul 2015 #1

The other common factor in the vast majority, almost every one of these and thousands more, is The Gun. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #2

Guns don't kill by themselves, people shoot them. darkangel218 Jul 2015 #3

The GUN turns HATE, intolerance, and prejudice into empowered HATE, intolerance, and prejudice. (nt) stone space Jul 2015 #7

Just like carrying a knife or any other weapon.. I suppose the intolerant or prejudiced would feel e darkangel218 Jul 2015 #10

The GUN turns the hate, prejudice, mental instability, etc., into murder and maiming. The GUN makes it all so easy...and final. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #13

Guns make it also easy to defend yourself, especially as a woman darkangel218 Jul 2015 #16

The NRA salutes you for yet another illogical and fact-free attempt at deflecting. We see you! Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #19

It's illogical that I appreciate the fact that I can protect myself??? darkangel218 Jul 2015 #25

Another typical NRA lover response..."you hate women, because you do not think women should defend Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #30

As a rape victim/survivor, I appreciate the fact that I can protect myself. darkangel218 Jul 2015 #35

Walk like an NRA lover, quack like an NRA lover, advance NRA talking points exactly like this one. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #50

That is seriously some weak shit. Adrahil Jul 2015 #132

Careful: he'll put you on ignore at the slightest hint of disagreement. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #158

NRA posters are often not truthful about who they are, but did you read about the poster suggesting Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #175

If you wanna call her a liar, then have the guts to do it directly. nt Adrahil Aug 2015 #253

First you admit you are! It is not nice to fabricate lies about any poster, and then attempt to, unsuccessfully, Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #254

I didn't try to hide anything. I never hide anyone. Adrahil Aug 2015 #258

When one fails to understand false equivalency and logic, it is I that wish you good luck! Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #259

LOL... Sure. Be sure to polish your righteous indignation while you're at it. ;) nt Adrahil Aug 2015 #261

Wanted to add.. you're right, they are NOT equivalent. Adrahil Aug 2015 #263

NRA supporters, I should add, also often distort the words of others in order to pretend they Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #194

I'm certainly not like you... Adrahil Aug 2015 #260

Agreed Alfalfa Aug 2015 #252

That is disgusting.... Positrons Jul 2015 #165

Thanks for repeating for malicious purpose a false accusation from a NRA gun lover poster, new poser. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #173

If its a false accusation feel free to prove it by stating women have the right to defend themselves Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #181

#itsallabouttheguns sarisataka Jul 2015 #191

advocating protecting yourself with a gun is mean and hateful...and it's hurts feelings. ileus Jul 2015 #65

I'm a rape victim/survivor, but I still don't feel the need to carry a gun Paka Jul 2015 #159

That's your call and your right. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #162

This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Jul 2015 #169

Which was my point...thanks for understanding. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #176

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #230

And that's your choice to make. Adrahil Aug 2015 #262

Agreed. Calling a liberal an "NRA supporter" here on DU should be hideworthy. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #171

She's a rape survivor, you ass. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #42

Not necessary to call people names. Demit Jul 2015 #52

He's telling a rape survivor that her only motive for carrying is to support the NRA. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #76

I can read. Demit Jul 2015 #135

How justified is it to tell a survivor the only reason they carry is to be a propaganda tool? Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #180

Doesn't read like the opinion of a 12 year old to me, not that he needs me to defend him. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #216

I'm not complaining, just for the purpose of clarifying -- Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #256

I am very sorry. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #264

It might not be necessary... Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #156

Please note: One side in Guns Discussions can call names w/out condemnation.nt Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #217

No one can teach you to see. ileus Jul 2015 #64

Feel free to point out rte specific logical fallacy she employed. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #170

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #122

I'm worried this thread is going to get locked as a gun thread when it specifically says "weapon" gollygee Jul 2015 #18

Ahh, the cleverness abounds. Ri-i-i-ight off: See #2 Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #219

It's a bigoted and exploitative thread you have running here, you and Fred. Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #238

Heard some guy in Jerusalem had a knife what did that. Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #213

It says "with a weapon" gollygee Jul 2015 #8

The OP cites 4 incidences: A shooting, a stabbing and vehicular homicide Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #11

Plus 100 JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #28

It's a monomania with the poster and his thread ally Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #40

And something else . . . n/t - but this isn't a gun control thread JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #31

Yes! gollygee Jul 2015 #54

I totally agree with your OP and suggest that it should contain one more example - the killing of jwirr Jul 2015 #160

But that would dilute the whole white guy schtick. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #193

I think you are on to something. smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #255

Being in possession of a gun makes it easy madokie Jul 2015 #38

If we banned guns but still had a white male supremacist society gollygee Jul 2015 #57

but it would make it less deadly madokie Jul 2015 #60

Precisely....320 million designed to kill GUNS is a huge problem, especially for minorities and those guns have to go....first and now. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #80

Yes, very true madokie Jul 2015 #87

Keep in mind that the 2A - like the rest of the "Bill of Rights" are ALL about guaranteeing jonno99 Jul 2015 #99

The NRA salutes you a second time! You are on a roll! Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #107

Thank you for that cogent, yet vacuous response. jonno99 Jul 2015 #115

The NRA is evil, that is not a problem for some folks at all, is it? Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #118

If you feel better labeling the NRA as evil - go for it. I'm not a member. But it's obvious jonno99 Jul 2015 #123

No I don't believe that for a second madokie Jul 2015 #114

Your belief is not a requirement to make it a fact. Just take a few minutes and jonno99 Jul 2015 #124

I know full well what the bill of rights are madokie Jul 2015 #164

Well, then you are aware then that the BOR is not about collective (even corporate) rights, they jonno99 Jul 2015 #168

Thank you I hope too madokie Jul 2015 #172

That's the number of people in the US, not the number of guns -- Only about a third of us own guns whathehell Jul 2015 #140

In your response you could substitute the word "gun" with "car", "motorcycle", or "knife"; jonno99 Jul 2015 #58

I guess so madokie Jul 2015 #63

Only one is designed as a weapon right from the factory and is preferred by armies....can you guess which one? Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #70

Ok, but if 99.9% of gun owners present no problem, then perhaps we should jonno99 Jul 2015 #86

The NRA salutes you for pulling the "inaminate object" logical fail out of the NRA bag of lies! Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #104

Grumpy indeed! jonno99 Jul 2015 #125

You called? Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #204

The difference is that the gun's primary purpose and design, is to kill. -none Jul 2015 #109

Well of course. But what is the primary purpose of the rapist? For many the only jonno99 Jul 2015 #119

So, what is the point about "designed to kill?" Not all guns are, but conceding the argument... Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #221

Deflection from the fact that too many guns in hands of too many people that should not have them. -none Jul 2015 #231

Deflection? My goodness, I didn't broach the pointless subject of "designed to kill." Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #235

Gun lovers never see a problem with guns. More and more guns are the solution to all the many guns. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #239

Is one more or less dead if... Positrons Jul 2015 #241

Dude, of the three expamples cited, one is a car, one is a knife and another a gun. Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #237

K&R mwrguy Jul 2015 #4

No other races or genders kill anyone ever Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #5

This is discussing mass killings done for a particular reason gollygee Jul 2015 #9

No, it's 100% racist. It fixates on race and sees nothing but race. It seeks no remedy. It's only Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #14

It names a few things, not just race gollygee Jul 2015 #15

I would hazard a guess that all murderers have a sense of superiority. But the racist agitprop Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #21

LOL gollygee Jul 2015 #27

So is it your position that a minority TeddyR Jul 2015 #34

Racism is racial bigotry + societal power gollygee Jul 2015 #41

Okay, so -- according to you -- white people are the worst thing ever. Now what? Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #45

Huh? gollygee Jul 2015 #48

Please tell me what element of white societal dominance facilitated stabbings and vehicular Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #82

The feeling of superiority and a need to feel powerful gollygee Jul 2015 #85

Which has absolutely nothing to do with race. Superiority over the victim motivates all crimes. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #100

Yes, white supremacy involves a sense of superiority. n/t gollygee Jul 2015 #110

So does the OP. So now what? Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #178

why don't you take a quick checky there of who are killing all the fucking elephants snooper2 Jul 2015 #126

I looked up the term "racism" in several dictionaries and I did not find it totodeinhere Jul 2015 #243

It is the definition sociologists use gollygee Jul 2015 #244

Aren't a lot of sociologists also white people not immune from bias? totodeinhere Jul 2015 #248

Good for them melman Jul 2015 #249

A sociologist is someone who gets paid to tell us all what normal people think and then Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #257

Whatever. Ginning up racist hatred is all your OP does. It seeks not remedy only hate and fear. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #37

Dismantle our system of racism and white supremacy, which includes discussion of white supremacy. gollygee Jul 2015 #43

Dismantle is a bullshit proposition without any defined meaning. Dismantle how? Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #47

So you don't think there have been a number of cases of violent crimes by white people gollygee Jul 2015 #49

I think all racially motivated crimes should be dealt with regardless of who is perpetrating them. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #69

Again, you're mischaracterizing what I'm saying gollygee Jul 2015 #78

Again, you're talking out both sides of your face. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #88

It's fixated on white American men who feel a sense of superiority and need to feel power. gollygee Jul 2015 #93

And yet, it's fixated on a very strange place. Igel Jul 2015 #190

It's fixated on crime specifically that comes from a place of a feeling of superiority and a need for power gollygee Jul 2015 #210

I agree. Nt darkangel218 Jul 2015 #17

Actually, this does not detract from the OP, but technically, Encinias who arrested JDPriestly Jul 2015 #166

There is a minor inaccuracy in this story. Please see my post #166. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #167

I'd wager the badge on his shirt was more of a factor than the skin under anybody's shirt. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #179

Much as it was during the McKinney pool party last month. LanternWaste Jul 2015 #208

I'm not dismissing the existence of racism. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #212

Do white males kill at a higher rate than other races? hack89 Jul 2015 #6

This is discussing mass killings done for a particular reason gollygee Jul 2015 #12

Your OP discriminates , and like another poster said, fixates only on one race ( and I might add, darkangel218 Jul 2015 #20

And nationality, and use of a weapon gollygee Jul 2015 #22

Go read your link again - one of the victims was a lion hack89 Jul 2015 #23

+1 darkangel218 Jul 2015 #26

You're right - it's about killings for a specific reason whether they're mass killings or not gollygee Jul 2015 #29

So how do white men differ from other races when it comes to killing? Nt hack89 Jul 2015 #33

This isn't about all killings by white men gollygee Jul 2015 #36

It's racist sludge pipoman Jul 2015 #55

Only idiots don't know that this is the reason for most crime pipoman Jul 2015 #62

No, it most certainly is NOT. Most of the examples in the article are single-victim killings. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #155

See post #29. gollygee Jul 2015 #157

And that's a subject worthy of proper scientific investigation. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #161

No TeddyR Jul 2015 #24

No. Not even close. But that's not the important thing (for some reason????). nt Romulox Jul 2015 #72

That's an interesting question, innit? lumberjack_jeff Jul 2015 #185

George Bush et al reinstated torture, Abu Graib, water boarding and the use of Lodestar Jul 2015 #32

So based on your thesis what should we do? el_bryanto Jul 2015 #39

We created a society that includes white supremacy and white male supremacy gollygee Jul 2015 #46

Ah - so by being aware of the problem, we've done our part? nt el_bryanto Jul 2015 #56

Recognizing racism and privilege and discussing it is a big part of the answer gollygee Jul 2015 #61

No, it's divisive racist tripe pipoman Jul 2015 #66

You seeing it that way says much more about you than this thread. n/t gollygee Jul 2015 #81

Your insistence that a word means something it has never meant pipoman Jul 2015 #102

That really is the headline missing daily from the M$M and we all know why. Rex Jul 2015 #44

Yes, agreed. White privilege also exists in the entirely white man owned mass media. It is not surprising the Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #51

That's it right there. Rex Jul 2015 #67

These are sad but great Gothmog Jul 2015 #53

These and millions of unknowns are why I always carry. ileus Jul 2015 #59

'Guns Don't kill, White Men Do' HFRN Jul 2015 #68

Hey! Another race-baiting post from a wealthy white woman! nt Romulox Jul 2015 #71

That is not true, the OP makes an excellent point, just not a complete one. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #73

White men aren't even *close* to the most violent demographic in America. Truth isn't the point. nt Romulox Jul 2015 #75

Truth is always the point. White men, with guns. Too many white men with guns and no brains, but lots of anger, is my point. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #77

No. Look at the crime statistics... nt Romulox Jul 2015 #94

Then look up the stats, if truth is so important to you. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #163

Stats are racist and only racists cite stats. If we're ever going to have social justice we need Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #182

*snerk* Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #189

Don't take it personal. He has Democracy on ignore. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #198

All we really need is just one nuclear unicorn. Rex Jul 2015 #195

I have no idea what it is you're trying to say. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #197

LOL it is a joke. Rex Jul 2015 #201

Oops! My apologies for being defensive. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #202

NP, sorry for coming off that way. Was just imagining this beast made of a rare metal and Rex Jul 2015 #203

The first time I met the man who would become my husband Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #205

Ha no way your story is much better! I like it! Rex Jul 2015 #206

I'm afraid I've been the volatile one in the past. He's never even raised his voice to me. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #209

Sounds wonderful, I am glad for the both of you. I think I've seen you type Lover Boy before. Rex Jul 2015 #218

Don't forget gender hate hustling... pipoman Jul 2015 #79

Actually, she also REALLY would like to downplay her own *class based privilege*. nt Romulox Jul 2015 #84

I am very aware of my class based privilege gollygee Jul 2015 #90

You need to deal with your OWN privilege for a second, before castigating others. nt Romulox Jul 2015 #92

I have been dealing with my own privilege gollygee Jul 2015 #95

OK. But maybe you, as a well-to-do white woman, need to ask why you feel so free to critique Romulox Jul 2015 #98

I'm critiquing society, not anyone's behavior gollygee Jul 2015 #103

Right. You just *happened* to forget your own White Wealthy Female privilege. Just plumb *forgot*. Romulox Jul 2015 #106

I never forget my privilege. And I have critiqued wealth privilege. n/t gollygee Jul 2015 #108

Link??? Romulox Jul 2015 #112

I'm not going to do a search for you. gollygee Jul 2015 #116

LOL. I know, I know. You meant to post such a thread, but just forgot. nt Romulox Jul 2015 #127

I volunteer with an organization gollygee Jul 2015 #129

Oh. I guess that gives you the right to downplay your own privilege. Still not seeing any links, Romulox Jul 2015 #136

I'm not giving you any links gollygee Jul 2015 #144

You've never authored such a thread. nt Romulox Jul 2015 #146

Pow! melman Jul 2015 #174

I remembered one gollygee Jul 2015 #177

Society didn't run people down with a car -- a person did that. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #183

Society created the sense of superiority and need to feel powerful. n/t gollygee Jul 2015 #184

Society is an abstraction. People are tangibles. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #196

Racism is built into every system and structure in our society gollygee Jul 2015 #214

Then our society is absolutely mundane in the scope of the entire world. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #220

Re your first paragrah gollygee Jul 2015 #224

The 'need to feel powerful' extends from one side of the aisle to the other... beevul Jul 2015 #207

I like to pretend I have absolute knowledge of other people's genuflecting too. LanternWaste Jul 2015 #211

That is one hell of a thing to read out of a person who is exploiting attacks on gay men with knives Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #242

"Only poor people of color should discuss racism . . .!" gollygee Jul 2015 #83

I just love how you lecture that economic inequality doesn't matter (from your home in Ann Arbor!). Romulox Jul 2015 #89

This message was self-deleted by its author gollygee Jul 2015 #91

LOL. Washtenaw County, then. Either way, it's an awkward perch from which to lecture the poor. nt Romulox Jul 2015 #96

This message was self-deleted by its author gollygee Jul 2015 #97

Grand Rapids is the wealthiest part of the state. Even worse! nt Romulox Jul 2015 #101

This message was self-deleted by its author gollygee Jul 2015 #105

Kent County is no better. The point stands, you like to castigate those poorer than yourself. Romulox Jul 2015 #111

This message was self-deleted by its author gollygee Jul 2015 #113

Jury results merrily Jul 2015 #131

Lame alert from a poster who'd rather move the spotlight to someone else. nt Romulox Jul 2015 #133

I didn't alert on that. gollygee Jul 2015 #142

I'm not a gun person, myself. I'm an anti-class privilege person. nt Romulox Jul 2015 #145

I deleted all my posts about where I live gollygee Jul 2015 #121

You are uncomfortable with attempts to underscore *your own privilege*. nt Romulox Jul 2015 #128

No, I'm very up front about me having wealth privilege. gollygee Jul 2015 #130

Link???? nt Romulox Jul 2015 #134

Do a search if you really care gollygee Jul 2015 #139

Gimme a break and be honest: you've never posted such a thread. Romulox Jul 2015 #141

I don't know if I've posted a whole thread about wealth privilege gollygee Jul 2015 #147

I do. You haven't. nt Romulox Jul 2015 #148

And you're wrong. This is a conversation I very much would like to have here. nt Romulox Jul 2015 #149

Yeah, it looks like you want to have this conversation. /sarcasm gollygee Jul 2015 #150

I brought it up, didn't I? nt Romulox Jul 2015 #154

And "you trying to find out where I live thing" is silly. We only know about you what you yourself Romulox Jul 2015 #143

posted in wrong place gollygee Jul 2015 #137

See I believe the test here is.... pipoman Jul 2015 #74

Wow, this thread sure makes people uncomfortable. gollygee Jul 2015 #117

kicking DESPITE all the hijacking going on. . .n/t annabanana Jul 2015 #120

In some people, bigotry inspires that discomfort. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jul 2015 #186

It certainly seems to have put at least one DUer very much on the defensive. Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #215

Sometimes I think testosterone is the most dangerous Ilsa Jul 2015 #138

He might be suffering from the "small penis syndrome." nt ladjf Jul 2015 #151

"All attributed motivations are approximate." Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #152

250 years heaven05 Jul 2015 #153

Go to most any right wing "political" site and read the threats against Y.O.U Stinky The Clown Jul 2015 #187

July 29th, 2015 Initech Jul 2015 #188

I weep for my race. Why are white people so horrible? Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #192

Ooh, those terrible white guys. They killed almost as many people as black guys did. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #199

At least the white race is coming around to accepting they are a race, then maybe we can move on Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #200

Let's talk about male privilege and those who feel they're entitled to tell rape survivors Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #225

kick Dawson Leery Jul 2015 #222

White American males plagued by feelings of inferiority... Orsino Jul 2015 #223

I bet you wrote that without the slightest hint of self-awareness. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #226

I would bet you don't know me well enough for certainty. n/t Orsino Aug 2015 #265

wow Kali Jul 2015 #227

lots of butthurt whitesplaining in this thread mwrguy Jul 2015 #228

Maybe you can blacksplain why black guys are three times more likely to kill somebody? Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #233

They are more likely to be POOR. The less money you have the more likely you are to do your own bravenak Jul 2015 #247

I think poverty is part of the explanation, but not all of it. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #250

Yep.nt bravenak Aug 2015 #251

No kidding. Suddenly discovering that "white" is also a race, the dominate race, which is the race that needs to explain everything is causing mass confusion. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #240

Indeed, many members of the white race are truly horrible. Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #246

K & R SunSeeker Jul 2015 #229

White American man isn't any more responsible for the actions of other white american man, Kurska Jul 2015 #232

Look how mad!! The very same folks that castigated black protesters(racistly) are now calling YOU racist. bravenak Jul 2015 #234

Hey straight people. If you are going to use language like this about anti gay attacks by straights Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #236

It is very much not a gun thread. It got hijacked. gollygee Jul 2015 #245