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Taitertots

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15. Racial collective guilt is unhealthy

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 12:11 PM

Jul 2015

You don't need to appologise for anything that you didn't do.

Are you sorry for the holocaust too?
Are you sorry for the opium war?
Are you sorry for the crusades, inquisition, systemic oppression of non-Christians...

Or does your desire for racial collective guilt only extend to stuff your read a couple books about while attending college

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I am sorry for slavery. Part of the privilege of being white is that I don't often need to [View all] Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 OP

I accept your apology and ask that you jaysunb Jul 2015 #1

I do and will continue. Thank you, Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #3

Ed said it all. There is nothing to add. k &r. shraby Jul 2015 #2

A lot of people have never read a book by a black author tblue Jul 2015 #4

Great post. Agree completely. cui bono Jul 2015 #5

I was fortunate enough to have a wonderful Paka Jul 2015 #6

I feel that way partly.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #7

Native Son is one of the great American novels vlakitti Jul 2015 #8

It is a disgrace brer cat Jul 2015 #9

The new Texas history books ignore most of the stuff about slavery and tblue37 Jul 2015 #21

And that most of them have to wait until college to do that. jwirr Jul 2015 #29

We aren't directly morally culpable for slavery. We *are* directly morally culpable for the racist Romulox Jul 2015 #10

Kick tavernier Jul 2015 #11

kicked...nt Quayblue Jul 2015 #12

Civilization doesn't happen without slavery The2ndWheel Jul 2015 #13

Slavery based on color is has not happened throughout history. Also when you are talking about jwirr Jul 2015 #31

Is slavery based on color worse than slavery based on something else? The2ndWheel Jul 2015 #54

WOW ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #34

Isn't mind boggling? Civilization began in Africa. These racists here don't know shit! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #53

Civilization beginning in Africa would change what? The2ndWheel Jul 2015 #60

The utterly ridiculous statement made in the post above! It also educates EVERYONE--racists and not- Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #64

I'm sorry, you'll have to show me where I said anything about The2ndWheel Jul 2015 #79

1StrongBlackMan caught it, too. Go back and read your comment. Read 1SBM's response. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #85

And before the resident Slavery scholars pipe in with ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #61

Before they keep going back to slavery - can we get up to 1919? JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #103

Nope ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #114

American slavery was uniquely based on white supremacy rather than class or circumstances. freshwest Jul 2015 #127

Thank you for your excellent post. haikugal Jul 2015 #142

That's interesting. I have not read anything about that, can you recommend a book? cui bono Jul 2015 #130

Here is a primer out of the University of Colorada ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #132

Thanks, I appreciate it. cui bono Jul 2015 #133

Someone with an itchy alert finger didn't like your tone. Jury disagreed. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #91

Where did he call someone a racist? JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #95

I'm a GIRL!! LOL! :) Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #101

I screwed up! JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #109

Bwwwaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! LOL! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #120

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #126

One of the 'female persuasion,' huh? Triple whammy for you! Expect incoming! :) freshwest Jul 2015 #117

LOL!! I thought everyone knew that about me. You mean, all my flirting and kisses weren't enough? :) Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #119

Oh, I knew that a long time ago. But you have just got another mark against you! freshwest Jul 2015 #121

LMAO!! Oh, but of course. I gotta love Sanitarium, though. He's the best racist ReThug out there... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #122

It didn't happen, and it looks like me & 4 other jurors thought it was a weak alert. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #106

In the title of her post. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #152

NMBirder and AverageJoe90 were perfect examples of this JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #154

But she wasn't talking about either of those people. Rather, The2ndWheel was the target Scootaloo Jul 2015 #156

Take it to admin JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #157

I figure the2ndwheel can do it, if he's bothered by it Scootaloo Jul 2015 #158

Thanks but no thanks! JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #159

It doesn't fit. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #161

Oh no! Fear of the R word lovemydog Jul 2015 #135

This message was self-deleted by its author freshwest Jul 2015 #172

Oy....does it EVER end? randys1 Jul 2015 #68

I know, huh? NOLALady Jul 2015 #69

Hey - me? JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #93

Glad someone's laughing. Don't know whether to laugh or cry to be honest. Just SMDH! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #102

Sometimes I'm just happy that I don't live next door to folks JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #108

heheheheh…... blm Jul 2015 #115

I had someone post something yesterday ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #112

Oooh boy! JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #113

This message was self-deleted by its author freshwest Jul 2015 #173

I thought Ed's OP was referring to nc4bo Jul 2015 #51

Unless the OP was around a few hundred years ago The2ndWheel Jul 2015 #63

ACtually what we should do is pay reparations and consider ourselves lucky that is all we have to do randys1 Jul 2015 #72

I am interested in your reparations plan philosslayer Jul 2015 #87

Tax everyone, including those who will benefit, then pay reparations to randys1 Jul 2015 #88

how about this plan heaven05 Jul 2015 #169

No. Just because you're selling doesn't mean I must buy. nc4bo Jul 2015 #73

It was talking about slavery in America. Quayblue Jul 2015 #111

It starts like this Ed. "as a nation — we have got to apologize for slavery" Autumn Jul 2015 #14

Racial collective guilt is unhealthy Taitertots Jul 2015 #15

Damn romanic Jul 2015 #16

Expressing sorrow is I believe, wholly different than making an apology. LanternWaste Jul 2015 #19

I'm saddened that you had to take a dig at my reading "a couple books while attending college" Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #20

My family came from Europe to avoid the holocaust... Taitertots Jul 2015 #23

Nobody is talking about guilt. kwassa Jul 2015 #137

What was the U.S. government's involvement in ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #38

+1 lovemydog Jul 2015 #136

Well let me see - Am I sorry for the holocaust - as a German American - yes. Am I sorry for jwirr Jul 2015 #41

I know - I hate when that happens JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #110

So am i ibegurpard Jul 2015 #17

Africans bear a huge responsibility for slave trade as well. B2G Jul 2015 #18

results of my alert ibegurpard Jul 2015 #22

Ugh. Perhaps this person isn't a post and run type. nc4bo Jul 2015 #24

I just did. nt B2G Jul 2015 #26

Not much to elaborate. ibegurpard Jul 2015 #27

Really? Acknowleging BOTH sides of the slave trade B2G Jul 2015 #30

racist slavery apologism ibegurpard Jul 2015 #32

Whatever B2G Jul 2015 #33

Your post was too vague to be correct or incorrect.... daleanime Jul 2015 #163

Those slave traders in Africa weren't from nations founded on the basis of individual blm Jul 2015 #35

yup ibegurpard Jul 2015 #37

This was alerted on... Man of Distinction Jul 2015 #43

alert troll? ibegurpard Jul 2015 #46

Racism is permeated throughout DU and the Moderators aren't doing shit about it! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #57

There is that...White privilege allows some to simply not see what is SEARED into your brain randys1 Jul 2015 #75

You guys need to cut this "racist" crap. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #123

trying to absolve responsibility for slavery ibegurpard Jul 2015 #124

Really SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #128

post #164 heaven05 Jul 2015 #167

Sorry, I thought I was agreeing - I said "ideals," not reality. SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #168

+1000 heaven05 Jul 2015 #170

I suppose it depends on the point Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #129

In this case of heaven05 Jul 2015 #166

well, I can see heaven05 Jul 2015 #164

I assume that you are talking about the fact that the slaves were often sold by other Afican tribes jwirr Jul 2015 #48

Exactly, and I'm not trying to absolve anyone. nt B2G Jul 2015 #55

I struggled responding to this line of "reasoning"; so I will just recommend that ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #52

I'm sorry you felt you had to censor yourself ibegurpard Jul 2015 #62

I have too many recent hides ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #71

Yes, there are some who want to silence you and anyone who supports you so live to randys1 Jul 2015 #76

I disagreed with you vehemently in those discussions ibegurpard Jul 2015 #82

A book recommendation: gollygee Jul 2015 #70

I agree. cwydro Jul 2015 #107

No, they did not enslave or sell their countrymen BainsBane Jul 2015 #149

Thank you Juror #4. You get it. B2G Jul 2015 #25

A few profiteers versus our entire society? Are you fucking serious? bettyellen Jul 2015 #36

Oh he or she is serious all right ibegurpard Jul 2015 #39

Seriously deranged bit of RW derailing there- "blacks did it too!". Fuck that noise. bettyellen Jul 2015 #42

Fuck that noise indeed randys1 Jul 2015 #77

That's the go to these days JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #97

I tried to write a response to that thread ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #56

I see you are getting some real shitty alerts. bettyellen Jul 2015 #78

It makes sense from an "this is our particular history" point of view The2ndWheel Jul 2015 #45

Thanks. 840high Jul 2015 #138

I'm Juror #3 and I'm afraid that there are so many racists here on DU that this place will become... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #50

It's not racism ... It's economics!!!!! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #58

Oh, yes. How could I forget?? :( Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #59

And the long winded explanations of why slavery, while sort of bad, really is blah blah blah randys1 Jul 2015 #81

I wasn't on the jury, but I wouldn't hide it Reter Jul 2015 #151

Really? This is why we can't have nice things. azmom Jul 2015 #40

Wrong. Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #44

Henry Louis Gates disagrees. B2G Jul 2015 #47

Not at all. Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #49

the title Ending the Slavery "Blame Game" explains their POV completely- it's a game, or card played bettyellen Jul 2015 #84

It's an abdication from the responsibility we have as US society to make whole the harm from racism. Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #105

I agree - let me knock you over with a feather JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #155

I like Cjeekdgg CreekDog Jul 2015 #66

Yay, you're here!! B2G Jul 2015 #67

What is your issue with Africa? CreekDog Jul 2015 #83

I was wondering where you went. B2G Jul 2015 #86

your posts about Africa, Africans or African Americans are not needles in a haystack CreekDog Jul 2015 #89

Being concerned about Ebola transmissions B2G Jul 2015 #94

it appears your concern is about Africans CreekDog Jul 2015 #100

It appears we were having a perfectly rational discussion in the ebola thread B2G Jul 2015 #104

WOW, that's interesting! bettyellen Jul 2015 #90

He has a whole dossier on me B2G Jul 2015 #96

obviously justified ibegurpard Jul 2015 #98

Totally. nt B2G Jul 2015 #99

You did awesome on that thread JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #125

Go get'em, Dog!! Number23 Jul 2015 #162

We can put you in charge of going to Africa and arranging for reparations, in the meantime randys1 Jul 2015 #74

You DO NOT heaven05 Jul 2015 #150

No, point of fact they do not. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #153

Hey genius!!!! heaven05 Jul 2015 #165

^^^^THAT^^^^ jwirr Jul 2015 #28

In my Black studies class (1968) we also read Leroy Jones (now Amiri Baraka) panader0 Jul 2015 #65

I read Howard Zinn on how slaves were transported, and "packed." I still gasp for air Hoyt Jul 2015 #80

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #140

Now Read: The New Jim Crow JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #92

There is an abundant amount of documentation supporting reparations which would bring much Jefferson23 Jul 2015 #116

My ancestors fought for Free State Kansas MuseRider Jul 2015 #118

I'm sorry too for that which i had no control over seveneyes Jul 2015 #131

I worked my fingers to the muther fucking bone seveneyes Jul 2015 #134

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #139

Just to let you know that not only blacks were in slavery! akbacchus_BC Jul 2015 #141

You cannot apologise for something that you were not a part akbacchus_BC Jul 2015 #143

Wait a minute. Now I'm not the smartest guy in the room, pretty much ever, but I hear people say Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #144

All am saying is that you do not have to apologise for what your ancestors did! akbacchus_BC Jul 2015 #145

Thanks. I appreciate what you are saying, but if it's good enough for the Pope . . . Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #146

Being sorry for something and apologizing are two different things philosslayer Jul 2015 #171

Things you should never feel guilty for: Being horny and stuff your ancestors did. redgreenandblue Jul 2015 #147

There's a thread by golly gee following up on your post yesterday JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #148

I'd be ok with a reparations program bluestateguy Jul 2015 #160