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Comrade Grumpy

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60. Nope. Not going for that bigotry claim. That word gets used excessively around here.

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Equating or aligning polygamy with gay marriage is bigotry and has no place here.... [View all] joeybee12 Jul 2015 OP

Thank you. I agree. djean111 Jul 2015 #1

K&R demmiblue Jul 2015 #2

Should be grounds for PPR, IMO. It's a rightwing, bigoted argument, and it's a huge FAIL. nt MADem Jul 2015 #3

You may not see it PowerToThePeople Jul 2015 #8

Say what? Trying to "marry" the polygamy argument to the equality one is utter bigotry. MADem Jul 2015 #11

Their views on gays has been invalidated PowerToThePeople Jul 2015 #12

Good grief. There's no path from marriage equality to poly marriage, either. MADem Jul 2015 #20

I agree PowerToThePeople Jul 2015 #25

Polygamy is a patriarchial, sexist, often abusive construct that often MADem Jul 2015 #46

So has monogamy been for hundreds of years oberliner Jul 2015 #65

You're free to enter into any little relationships that float your boat, but the state does not have MADem Jul 2015 #75

Loaded statement oberliner Jul 2015 #85

I've never seen one--not even on reality TV--that wasn't just that. MADem Jul 2015 #89

Fair enough oberliner Jul 2015 #103

I would have to disagree. The nature of the relationship is inherently unequal. MADem Jul 2015 #180

Well, clearly since you've never "seen" one, they don't exist. eggplant Jul 2015 #112

Oh, I think if they DID exist, on an equal level with no exploitation, the media would MADem Jul 2015 #179

I think JackInGreen Jul 2015 #193

+1! Chan790 Jul 2015 #195

Oh yeah, sure!!! You and your wife and girlfriends, yes, of course.... MADem Jul 2015 #206

Used to that bit of witty hate too JackInGreen Jul 2015 #215

No hate--but a large dose of healthy skepticism, to be blunt. MADem Jul 2015 #216

I work graves JackInGreen Jul 2015 #217

Sorry, it sounds like a cool story though. nt MADem Jul 2015 #222

It's not a story JackInGreen Jul 2015 #224

Neither should any marriage for that matter Major Nikon Jul 2015 #244

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #295

Indeed. Further, no one is stopping anyone from engaging in those "arrangements" of which you speak. MADem Jul 2015 #305

except if you read the OP you would realize that polygamy is a choice, being gay isn't still_one Jul 2015 #29

Monogamy is just as much a choice. n/t PowerToThePeople Jul 2015 #30

Time to ignore... joeybee12 Jul 2015 #67

A lifestyle choice and an inherent trait are not the same thing. Rex Jul 2015 #71

We're never really JackInGreen Jul 2015 #194

Actually... Chan790 Jul 2015 #199

+1 JackInGreen Jul 2015 #218

Except the court case was about a persons 14th amendment rights not if gay is or isnt a choice. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #286

While the bible doesn't say much regarding Gays, it is all down with Poligamy. Dustlawyer Jul 2015 #19

It's also down with smiting, raping, crucifying, and cutting little children in two. MADem Jul 2015 #21

Please don't JackInGreen Jul 2015 #220

Agreed 100%. Here is a perfect example... cleanhippie Jul 2015 #43

WOOOOOOOOSH!!!!!! Supersonic right over the head. MADem Jul 2015 #44

Is that directed at me or the examples I provided? cleanhippie Jul 2015 #59

The examples of course--wasn't I clear? MADem Jul 2015 #64

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #72

A relative newcomer posted a similar argument with no repercussions. MADem Jul 2015 #82

This thread is full of more perfect examples skepticscott Jul 2015 #183

I agree this has gone beyond idiotic and into the realm of concern trolling. Rex Jul 2015 #81

I am getting the upsetting impression that it's by design, as well. MADem Jul 2015 #84

It was bad enough watching women get bashed here on DU3 and some still do. Rex Jul 2015 #93

Yep--under the bus with 'em! nt MADem Jul 2015 #95

Agreed skepticscott Jul 2015 #182

The Right Wing is arguing AGAINST polyamory and polygamous marriage Wella Jul 2015 #282

The right wing is arguing against EQUALITY, and using polygamy as if it is "equivalent." MADem Jul 2015 #290

They continue to argue against polymarriage. Wella Jul 2015 #291

No, they don't. Use your google and pay attention to "slippery slope" arguments. MADem Jul 2015 #292

Love is a behaviour? n/t PowerToThePeople Jul 2015 #4

Yes WestCoastLib Jul 2015 #164

Highly recommend..thank you. n/t Jefferson23 Jul 2015 #5

One is an agreement the other is servitude, a world of difference . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #6

You are correct on all points. Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #7

"Not in uncharted waters" kiva Jul 2015 #9

K & R mountain grammy Jul 2015 #10

It's getting weird HassleCat Jul 2015 #13

May be "odd" to you...but no, that's it almost exactly. Chan790 Jul 2015 #200

Maybe it's time JackInGreen Jul 2015 #249

DU rec... SidDithers Jul 2015 #14

I disagree entirely bobbobbins01 Jul 2015 #15

I think it depends on the nature of the particular polygamous relationship. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #22

Yes, non-consensual polygamy is wrong bobbobbins01 Jul 2015 #31

I concur. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #145

Please do explain this passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #151

No, not my intent, but a fair question. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #210

but why exclude heterosexual marriage from that involvement? passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #212

In practice, I actually do just use the term "marriage." Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #261

The same is true about monogamous marriages, too. Exilednight Jul 2015 #39

Yup, exactly. bobbobbins01 Jul 2015 #77

Sadly true. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #146

If you think being homophobic is inclusive... joeybee12 Jul 2015 #70

How is supporting polygamy in any way homophobic? bobbobbins01 Jul 2015 #165

Supporting polygamy is not the homophobic part. Jamastiene Jul 2015 #196

I thought about the issue some more... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #16

Thank you for writing what I couldnt articulate DiverDave Jul 2015 #17

.. PowerToThePeople Jul 2015 #18

Yes, there has been some confusion. Quixote1818 Jul 2015 #24

Yeah, I was coming off as being hostile to the poly people... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #37

Um, no. eggplant Jul 2015 #108

Except polygamy has historically not been freely consentual and has significant mythology Jul 2015 #113

You are missing the point. eggplant Jul 2015 #120

can you provide an example of a progressive democratic polygynous society? Warren Stupidity Jul 2015 #156

no, and that is irrelevant. eggplant Jul 2015 #160

I can't provide any examples of predominantly gay societies. Warren Stupidity Jul 2015 #238

Can we get a chance JackInGreen Jul 2015 #236

There are plenty "in the light of day" and they are all repulsive. Warren Stupidity Jul 2015 #237

Thanks JackInGreen Jul 2015 #240

I'm sure that you don't mean to insult all of my friends. eggplant Jul 2015 #242

Um, yes... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #115

Ugh. eggplant Jul 2015 #126

Hoisted on your own petard: DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #131

You truly need to get the ban hammer for this post PowerToThePeople Jul 2015 #278

Read what you said again passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #272

I was not comparing gay people to poly people. That would be silly. eggplant Jul 2015 #279

but not for being poly...for being gay. passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #280

I'm sure that makes all the difference to them. eggplant Jul 2015 #281

Exactly. PowerToThePeople Jul 2015 #149

They're being quite the troll. eggplant Jul 2015 #163

Actually, polygamy was hurled in opposition Jamastiene Jul 2015 #188

The toaster has no choice? GeorgeGist Jul 2015 #141

You notice I referred to a toaster and not an animal. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #142

Consummating a union with a toaster would be an electrifying idea davidpdx Jul 2015 #189

I would hope they would unplug it first... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #197

Equating or aligning polygamy with gay marriage is bigotry and has no place here.... The CCC Jul 2015 #23

Willful ignorance deserves an ignore...nt joeybee12 Jul 2015 #74

Exactly treestar Jul 2015 #26

It is shocking when you see liberals behave like Conservatives 4now Jul 2015 #27

Absolutely. Polygamy is a choice. Being gay isn't, and that is why some of these threads that still_one Jul 2015 #28

Monogamy is a choice. n/t PowerToThePeople Jul 2015 #32

Yep. But monogamy isn't marriage. jeff47 Jul 2015 #62

Excellent critical thinking still_one Jul 2015 #109

But people JackInGreen Jul 2015 #250

Then they can make a different discrimination argument. jeff47 Jul 2015 #253

I'm not seeing most posters or OP JackInGreen Jul 2015 #257

And I'm seeing most posters claim the decision immediately requires poly marriage jeff47 Jul 2015 #259

So when would be the right JackInGreen Jul 2015 #262

Any time is the right place and time. jeff47 Jul 2015 #263

Absolutely. Polygamy is a choice. Being gay isn't, and that is why some of these threads that The CCC Jul 2015 #53

Because people don't live in a bubble where their actions don't affect others. kcr Jul 2015 #276

I agree. Tipperary Jul 2015 #33

You mean the argument that polygamy should be outlawed? n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #38

I am sorry. Is it not already against the law? Tipperary Jul 2015 #42

Yes, and conservatives certainly argue that should (continue) to be the case. n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #47

Recommending, I appolgize if I offended anyone on DU, until I read this, I did not see it.. AuntPatsy Jul 2015 #34

I couldn't disagree more smiley Jul 2015 #35

Great points oberliner Jul 2015 #51

thank you smiley Jul 2015 #130

Pathetic... joeybee12 Jul 2015 #55

okay fine, resort to childish name calling. smiley Jul 2015 #128

I agree Marrah_G Jul 2015 #36

I think so too libodem Jul 2015 #40

I would never equate a biological trait with a choice. guillaumeb Jul 2015 #41

Then give an example. jeff47 Jul 2015 #83

Then give an example. The CCC Jul 2015 #119

Yet you didn't manage to give one. jeff47 Jul 2015 #124

I thought SCOTUS did change the law in several states. nt tjl148 Jul 2015 #152

Nope. The laws are still on the books. jeff47 Jul 2015 #168

Perhaps not an example, but some reasoning: guillaumeb Jul 2015 #166

If it were so easily done, don't you think it would have been done? jeff47 Jul 2015 #170

This message was self-deleted by its author guillaumeb Jul 2015 #176

The point is pontificating on theory does not create reality. jeff47 Jul 2015 #245

I missed your response to my statement about 50% of marriages ending in divorce. guillaumeb Jul 2015 #247

50% divorce rate a myth kcr Jul 2015 #274

40-50% divorce rate in the US as of this source: guillaumeb Jul 2015 #308

The 50% is a myth. Correct? kcr Jul 2015 #310

This message was self-deleted by its author guillaumeb Jul 2015 #311

Polygamists were not born that way. Faygo Kid Jul 2015 #45

Neither are monogamists oberliner Jul 2015 #49

The issue is legal marriage, not the practice of monogamy. pnwmom Jul 2015 #121

This is absolute BS oberliner Jul 2015 #48

We agreed again. Perhaps only possible away from the other group. guillaumeb Jul 2015 #54

Yeah I was going to post something similar in response to your post in this thread oberliner Jul 2015 #56

The same to you O. Nice when we can agree. guillaumeb Jul 2015 #58

Regrettably, we appear to be in the minority oberliner Jul 2015 #63

I have pretty much given up. DeadLetterOffice Jul 2015 #96

Your true colors have shown through... joeybee12 Jul 2015 #57

What do you mean? oberliner Jul 2015 #61

BS reorg Jul 2015 #91

Encouraging to see that oberliner Jul 2015 #100

Lmao looks like someone lost their alert privileges LittleBlue Jul 2015 #111

LOL Capt. Obvious Jul 2015 #241

Are you really not comprehending that the same-sex marriage case was about geek tragedy Jul 2015 #73

Of course oberliner Jul 2015 #79

That's the rightwing "slippery slope" argument--if geek tragedy Jul 2015 #88

Let's not let the right wing set the terms of the debate oberliner Jul 2015 #98

There is nothing rightwing about supporting geek tragedy Jul 2015 #122

Monogamy has been pretty terrible too oberliner Jul 2015 #154

Monogamy did not make all problems go away. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #159

That "slippery slope" argument never did make any sense. Chan790 Jul 2015 #203

Because time and again history shows that societies that allow polygamy fasttense Jul 2015 #97

Monogamy has had a similar history oberliner Jul 2015 #101

Polygamy can never be about equality. If it was, there would only be 1 wife and 1 husband fasttense Jul 2015 #129

Little girls have been pressured to marry rich old men under monogamy oberliner Jul 2015 #136

You fail to ever address the inherit inequality of polygamy fasttense Jul 2015 #148

You present only one model of polygamy oberliner Jul 2015 #150

The nature of humans to be possessive and jealous fasttense Jul 2015 #157

Fair points oberliner Jul 2015 #158

Agreed. mmonk Jul 2015 #50

+1000 smirkymonkey Jul 2015 #52

Nope. Not going for that bigotry claim. That word gets used excessively around here. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #60

Amazing... joeybee12 Jul 2015 #66

Thanks for posting that oberliner Jul 2015 #69

Yeah, I'm kind of disgusted with the number of people making this offensively stupid argument. Spider Jerusalem Jul 2015 #68

Exactly...although the good thing about all these idiotic joeybee12 Jul 2015 #76

Since bisexuality is often a characteristic of polyamorous people, the question arises, Kip Humphrey Jul 2015 #78

Denying polygamous people the right to marry is small-minded conservative bigotry LittleBlue Jul 2015 #80

Emabarssing that something so basic escapes you... joeybee12 Jul 2015 #86

Yet you can't explain why LittleBlue Jul 2015 #92

If polygamy is one man, multiple women, seems more like exploitation mmonk Jul 2015 #102

The principle is that any single adult, no matter what his race, gender, or orientation, pnwmom Jul 2015 #123

And before that standard, any single consenting adult could marry someone of the opposite sex LittleBlue Jul 2015 #134

You are free to engage in whatever relationships you want. pnwmom Jul 2015 #139

Gentle poyamorous families and their supporters need to back away from this right wing rat fuck. hunter Jul 2015 #87

Polygamy is based on making women subservient to men fasttense Jul 2015 #104

So was/is monogamy oberliner Jul 2015 #107

Actually not fasttense Jul 2015 #114

Actually yes oberliner Jul 2015 #155

I have an ancestor who was a mail order bride to Salt Lake City. hunter Jul 2015 #116

Beautifully said. Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #144

Thank you. Jamastiene Jul 2015 #198

+1 JackInGreen Jul 2015 #252

Thank you. we can do it Jul 2015 #90

It is bigotry. Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #94

Next you will say that being Poly is a lifestyle. AngryAmish Jul 2015 #99

Enough with these piggy-backing polygamists!! nt 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #105

I remember when customerserviceguy Jul 2015 #304

Shouldn't the word be polyamory? backscatter712 Jul 2015 #106

^^THIS^^ n/t eridani Jul 2015 #175

+1 JackInGreen Jul 2015 #302

What about gay polygamy? Gay polygamists disagree with you. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #110

A dating site and a facebook page with a post from Feb 9th? Rex Jul 2015 #117

The issue has been around for awhile. The Advocate did a cover story on it in 2006. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #137

They also, if they want to be married, must choose a single partner to be legally married to. pnwmom Jul 2015 #125

Thank you. H2O Man Jul 2015 #118

They are separate issues, linked only by their involvement with "marriage." Maedhros Jul 2015 #127

Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Jul 2015 #132

If in 2008 I were to tell you that some DUers would be equatiing polygamy and U4ikLefty Jul 2015 #133

to poly fans: find a dataset of well adjusted, adult, restorefreedom Jul 2015 #135

We'd love a chance JackInGreen Jul 2015 #246

agree that "non traditionals" are marginalized restorefreedom Jul 2015 #266

The GLBT community had to "come out of the closet" and fight for it riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #284

I'm not seeing a lot of coopting JackInGreen Jul 2015 #288

What?! These discussions are proof it's been hijacked riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #289

Wow, gee...you all get your same talking points from the same joeybee12 Jul 2015 #299

And welcome JackInGreen Jul 2015 #300

Actually, there are entire groups of them on FetLife. Chan790 Jul 2015 #318

Here's where I think you are completely wrong... The_Commonist Jul 2015 #138

You might want to rethink that sweetie... joeybee12 Jul 2015 #162

Oh, so now we're "Sweetie"ing, eh? The_Commonist Jul 2015 #167

Bigotry is bigotry, and I take that tone when confronted with it... joeybee12 Jul 2015 #169

My prejudices? The_Commonist Jul 2015 #171

^ This Tien1985 Jul 2015 #213

K&R Betty Karlson Jul 2015 #140

That's pretty hard to support logically. DirkGently Jul 2015 #143

And when marriage between two races was considered legal in the 1950's... joeybee12 Jul 2015 #161

No. Not the "next logical step." DirkGently Jul 2015 #172

Pathetic... joeybee12 Jul 2015 #173

Doors do open by degrees. DirkGently Jul 2015 #174

It's not hard at all. Being polygamous isn't a biological trait, unlike being gay. pnwmom Jul 2015 #211

No. The right to marry is not based on "biological traits." DirkGently Jul 2015 #243

Of course -- the right to marry is NOT based on biological traits. It would be discrimination if it were. pnwmom Jul 2015 #258

I entirely agree - thanks. TubbersUK Jul 2015 #147

very well put nt arely staircase Jul 2015 #153

As long as no one is hurting anyone, I don't give a flying fuck what they do. Fearless Jul 2015 #177

CORRECT Skittles Jul 2015 #178

Who the hell wants TWO mother-in-laws? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #181

If we could JackInGreen Jul 2015 #248

I disagree Calista241 Jul 2015 #184

Wrong... joeybee12 Jul 2015 #187

So because i disagree with you i'm somehow now a Freeper. Calista241 Jul 2015 #207

Not at all what I said...not even close... joeybee12 Jul 2015 #221

The thing that gets me is that Jamastiene Jul 2015 #185

It's pretty obvious, too...where were all the pro-polygamy posts joeybee12 Jul 2015 #186

Exactly. Jamastiene Jul 2015 #192

Sunrise at the Kremlin apparently... joeybee12 Jul 2015 #234

Nailed it. Behind the Aegis Jul 2015 #209

"Just go there" JackInGreen Jul 2015 #230

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #190

I totally agree davidpdx Jul 2015 #191

Yeah. Separate issue. To equate polygamy with gay marriage is not comparing apples to apples. PatrickforO Jul 2015 #201

Except you and others are are forgetting that this case was really cstanleytech Jul 2015 #268

I never expected to see this level of hate here at DU Lordquinton Jul 2015 #202

+1000 Wella Jul 2015 #204

Preach it right out loud JackInGreen Jul 2015 #219

Thanks for posting...I like to know who to ignore...nt joeybee12 Jul 2015 #225

Well you can start with the guy talking about marrying toasters Lordquinton Jul 2015 #264

I didn't see anyone equating them goldent Jul 2015 #205

Thanks for posting...I like to know who to ignore...nt joeybee12 Jul 2015 #226

Well, when you post opinions, you take the risk of getting opinions posted back goldent Jul 2015 #235

Part of the SCOTUS ruling said cstanleytech Jul 2015 #208

Thanks for posting...I like to know who to ignore...nt joeybee12 Jul 2015 #227

Ahh, my apologies for hurting your tender little feelings with facts, heres a hug *hug* cstanleytech Jul 2015 #265

Nothing factual about what you posted... joeybee12 Jul 2015 #267

Check post #268 then. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #269

Inherent trait? Not so fast. Android3.14 Jul 2015 #214

Thanks for posting...I like to know who to ignore...nt joeybee12 Jul 2015 #228

In the next poll on polygamy... Newxtor Jul 2015 #223

Thanks for posting...I like to know who to ignore...nt joeybee12 Jul 2015 #229

Realistically, as I've said a number of times on DU and other sites ... 'I'm born that way ...' brett_jv Jul 2015 #231

And you made this case prior to SCOTUS, right? joeybee12 Jul 2015 #232

Yes. "Biology" is a right wing argument. DirkGently Jul 2015 #251

Conserva-Dems flipping out. Katashi_itto Jul 2015 #233

! Warren Stupidity Jul 2015 #239

I never knew polygamists were the majority now... joeybee12 Jul 2015 #256

Thanks for posting this get the red out Jul 2015 #254

Actually, I'd be surprised if there weren't... joeybee12 Jul 2015 #255

You are spot on get the red out Jul 2015 #260

Fine, please quote the part of the 14th amendment that says cstanleytech Jul 2015 #270

I really don't think you have any right (or basis) to accuse me of being a paid disrupter. eggplant Jul 2015 #283

Trust me you arent the only they have accused of that and eventually they will lose it and say that cstanleytech Jul 2015 #285

And yet I didn't mention you specifically and you chime right in joeybee12 Jul 2015 #293

Someone listens to Alex Jones to much. Katashi_itto Jul 2015 #287

Didn't you know JackInGreen Jul 2015 #303

Shhhhh! They'll be on to us. eggplant Jul 2015 #307

Polygamy is another word for Pimp d_legendary1 Jul 2015 #271

This gets a rec from me. kcr Jul 2015 #273

Why is it so hard to draw the line at adult, informed, consent? backscatter712 Jul 2015 #275

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #298

Blatant homophobia? backscatter712 Jul 2015 #309

You can count them on one hand tomm2thumbs Jul 2015 #314

Finally. eggplant Jul 2015 #315

Amen! Sparhawk60 Jul 2015 #301

The haters on this thread can't seem to accept the idea eggplant Jul 2015 #313

some people may raise the issue motivated by an agenda HFRN Jul 2015 #277

Same tired talking points I'm seeing... joeybee12 Jul 2015 #296

good example of 'punitive classifications' HFRN Jul 2015 #306

Don't bother and congrats ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2015 #312

What about equating polyamory with gay marriage? n/t eridani Jul 2015 #294

Give it a rest...your puerile tempts at making this a civil joeybee12 Jul 2015 #297

Because nothing oppresses women like having more than one husband n/t eridani Jul 2015 #316

And Joey is off on summer vacation Capt. Obvious Jul 2015 #317