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joshcryer

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91. The only way there's a "horse race" is if the MSM...

Reply to pa28 (Original post)

Sat Jul 4, 2015, 02:10 AM

Jul 2015

...expends this "no turnout" narrative.

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Smart Democrats are worried about base turnout In 2016 [View all] pa28 Jul 2015 OP

Kick, I also worry about turnout. Agschmid Jul 2015 #1

And better candidates..... daleanime Jul 2015 #8

We have a better candidate zentrum Jul 2015 #58

For each of the congressional races? daleanime Jul 2015 #63

We need 435 better candidates. nt silvershadow Jul 2015 #68

No, we don't. Don't write off all representatives. MineralMan Jul 2015 #99

Actually, I have a very strong knowledge. Perhaps you didn't notice, but I was silvershadow Jul 2015 #107

Freakin A! I've seen it first hand tech3149 Jul 2015 #85

Anyone who doesn't turnout to vote has no right to complain. still_one Jul 2015 #2

But they will anyway. MoonRiver Jul 2015 #4

I know, and sometimes the loudest it seems still_one Jul 2015 #12

I've never missed an election since 1972. Fuddnik Jul 2015 #50

Good, then don't vote if Hillary is the nominee. Fuck the supreme court, women's rights, social still_one Jul 2015 #59

Really makes you wonder. MoonRiver Jul 2015 #66

I get very frustrated by that logic obviously. still_one Jul 2015 #69

Keep bring up the Supreme Court. Fuddnik Jul 2015 #72

Scalia and Thomas were appointed by a republican president, not a Democratic one. Yes, the still_one Jul 2015 #81

THIS ^^^^^^^ calimary Jul 2015 #76

I agree. Of course Congress can make and change laws, but the Supreme Court can either delay still_one Jul 2015 #82

Who cares? Not me. MoonRiver Jul 2015 #97

The article points to a 19% enthusiasm deficit for Democrats. pa28 Jul 2015 #29

Anyone who doesn't realize the importance of the vote, or the difference between republicans and still_one Jul 2015 #49

Anyone who sits on the sidelines and blames those who do not vote salib Jul 2015 #83

Did you even read my posts? Where did I blame or not blame anyone for NOT voting on the outcome? still_one Jul 2015 #90

Your unwillingness to listen to their complaints will TOTALLY get them to vote. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2015 #55

who in the fu*K am I. If they feel that way, then they will live with the consequences of their still_one Jul 2015 #65

And you get to live with the consequences of treating them like morons. jeff47 Jul 2015 #100

Won't bother me at all. If people do not feel it is important enough to vote it isn't my issue still_one Jul 2015 #101

So...your threat is the non-voters get a bad result. But you don't care if you get a bad result. jeff47 Jul 2015 #105

People should not have to "beg" people to vote. Have a good day still_one Jul 2015 #106

It's not that they don't wish to vote - TBF Jul 2015 #109

Then they should vote, instead of "hiding behind a screen and say", I won't vote if so and so still_one Jul 2015 #110

You can deliberately misunderstand TBF Jul 2015 #111

I never said anything against Bernie. still_one Jul 2015 #112

"Anyone who doesn't turnout to vote has no right to complain." malokvale77 Jul 2015 #87

Ok, then complain. still_one Jul 2015 #93

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And that's Bernie's Ace in the hole, everyone else running is a crook . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #7

So you're accusing Clinton, O'Malley, Chafee and Webb of corruption... brooklynite Jul 2015 #9

Thanks, He's the only Believable person running, the proof is President Obama . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #11

I won't vote for Hillary. Katashi_itto Jul 2015 #92

Really. Do you know Bernie's position on Israel? I suspect some of Bernie's supporters on DU still_one Jul 2015 #51

That's the appeal of Bernie and Elizabeth they're not a party of or to the Crime . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #5

But they're happy to work with and support those crooks in the Senate, right? brooklynite Jul 2015 #10

They're willing to work with without knuckling under to, or coercing with, Right ? orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #14

I see - i't okay to work with crooks if you stand your ground... brooklynite Jul 2015 #33

WMD's ? Bailout ? and the rest of History . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #74

Crickets........... 2 hrs orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #86

really. Senator Sanders voted for the ACA, even though he was against it, because he still_one Jul 2015 #54

Yes because he identified his opposition, and hasn't given up on the notion, he's capable orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #75

The point is he was pragmatic enough to realize that it was better than what was before, and though still_one Jul 2015 #79

Agreed . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #84

Bernie is not through fighting for Medicare for ALL. bvar22 Jul 2015 #114

It won't be until at least the next census because the house is still_one Jul 2015 #116

That doesn't matter. bvar22 Jul 2015 #117

Well, this time the election is going to be out of their control. Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #6

Excellent Point Le Taz Hot. 2banon Jul 2015 #16

I'm sorry, did you say, Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #23

No! Not Skittles!! 2banon Jul 2015 #39

. . . Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #42

People will come out to vote for Bernie Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2015 #17

We need to start recruiting progressive candidates Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #21

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and if Bernie gets the nomination 99.9% of the DUers will vote for him. However, whoever gets the still_one Jul 2015 #94

Right. Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #102

No more third way bullshit!! n/t PowerToThePeople Jul 2015 #13

I keep hearing about the imminent demise of the republican party due to demographics tularetom Jul 2015 #15

If the GOP falls apart, it's not necesarrily good if you are far left davidn3600 Jul 2015 #20

How will we know when that happens? tularetom Jul 2015 #22

fwiw, it would have to pull the Democratic party to the left truebluegreen Jul 2015 #48

There is no such thing as a moderate republican or libertarian anymore still_one Jul 2015 #95

Meanwhile the Republicans are hard at work disenfranchising minorities. pa28 Jul 2015 #26

yup. they are primarying kelly westlund in wis 7. mopinko Jul 2015 #18

No blaming the "Fringe Left" for any losses in 2016. bvar22 Jul 2015 #19

DWS and Nelson have killed Dem Party enthusiasm in Fl. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #30

Funny you should mention that. bvar22 Jul 2015 #32

Thanks for adding this. pa28 Jul 2015 #35

Things like this do NOT happen by accident. bvar22 Jul 2015 #37

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Halter was beating Lincoln, so Arkansas severly thinned voting access in districts leaning Halter. stuffmatters Jul 2015 #41

Needless to say, bvar22 Jul 2015 #67

Yes. The lie is perpetuated that the DLC was formed because liberal Dems couldn't win. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #45

You should post this as an OP kath Jul 2015 #113

Of course they will blame the "Fringe left". It's what they've been doing since 1968. jeff47 Jul 2015 #57

The "Centrist" Democrats are Waaaaay to the Right of Eisenhower. bvar22 Jul 2015 #118

Yep, but an actual left-of-center party would create competition jeff47 Jul 2015 #119

In Pres election years, turnout is all determined at the top of the slate. Will Third Way Hill GOTV? leveymg Jul 2015 #25

she is polling very well 6chars Jul 2015 #103

I disagree. It's becoming clearer and clearer what the stakes are. Dems will show up, imo. pinto Jul 2015 #27

So, it is not just me...... djean111 Jul 2015 #28

Yep, party elites trying to shove Murphy down our throats. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #31

They've been doing that for years in Florida. Fuddnik Jul 2015 #62

It is so frustrating to be condescendingly told we need to elect local Progressives if we djean111 Jul 2015 #73

FL's Demo party is worse than TX's: Enough power to sabotage anyone left of Eisenhower. Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #115

I have said before... SoapBox Jul 2015 #34

Can someone tell me FloridaBlues Jul 2015 #36

He's not an Independant candidate. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #47

He says "I want to run in the Democratic primary" and the party says "Ok". jeff47 Jul 2015 #60

Hillary Bush vs Jeb Clinton will depress turnout 4139 Jul 2015 #38

Nope. Republicans will be thrilled to vote against Clinton. jeff47 Jul 2015 #61

Unfortunately, Thespian2 Jul 2015 #43

Not a shock MFrohike Jul 2015 #44

All House & Senate Wall Street Dems who voted for fast track should be primaried by real Dems stuffmatters Jul 2015 #46

Which is why a Sanders Presidency is important. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #52

I have never heard of Gaius Publius or Howie Klein Politicub Jul 2015 #53

Then I'd hope the base is Blue_Tires Jul 2015 #56

"if the voters don't respond to the program it's not the fault of the program, now is it?" MisterP Jul 2015 #64

Deja Vu all over again. Springslips Jul 2015 #70

The Corporate Dems gave up claiming only Corporate Dems can win in Red States.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #71

It's funny the blogger bring up the 21st... bobclark86 Jul 2015 #77

Not surprising swilton Jul 2015 #78

They still get rich regardless of turnout. That's all they care about. CharlotteVale Jul 2015 #80

"Smart Democrats are worried about base turnout In 2016" malokvale77 Jul 2015 #88

This is exactly the problem with our party right now davidpdx Jul 2015 #89

The only way there's a "horse race" is if the MSM... joshcryer Jul 2015 #91

It seems our VOTERS learned absolutely nothing from the 2014 losses. True Blue Door Jul 2015 #96

They should be worried.. sendero Jul 2015 #98

Triangulation HassleCat Jul 2015 #104

This is only one big reason of many reasons Hillary will lose the GE. L0oniX Jul 2015 #108

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