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arcane1

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39. "Views" are not facts.

Reply to Hoyt (Reply #33)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 03:31 PM

Jul 2015

In the absence of actual facts, I'm taking the position of justified skepticism.

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TPP leaks reveal that poor people in poor countries will die because of TPP [View all] brentspeak Jul 2015 OP

No way! I was told here it would lead to world peace and 100 dollar an hour jobs! Rex Jul 2015 #1

Yep, I remember those types of posts n2doc Jul 2015 #5

this is all on Obama. I wonder how he can live with it. roguevalley Jul 2015 #21

I don't understand how he thinks this is a good idea when he knows the GOP LOVES it! Rex Jul 2015 #23

Obama has gone on record saying that he is actually an "'80s Republican" Art_from_Ark Jul 2015 #64

He has done some good things hifiguy Jul 2015 #38

Duh.... daleanime Jul 2015 #2

I like you answer: Duh..... Who in their right mind would believe that the multi-national jwirr Jul 2015 #10

But . . But . .It's a gold standard! (S A R C A S M) Divernan Jul 2015 #18

Reaganism in a nutshell - greed and hate are good. jwirr Jul 2015 #25

But it's all to LIFT UP people around the world! Uh, wrong, put the poor DOWN in the ground. appalachiablue Jul 2015 #56

The very fact that people will die to preserve and increase profits shows us PatrickforO Jul 2015 #3

The billionaire oligarchs don't wish us to die, they just don't care if we do. Profits are their rhett o rick Jul 2015 #67

I'm with you there. PatrickforO Jul 2015 #68

So the Pharmaceutical companies plan on what is effectively mass murder.... AZ Progressive Jul 2015 #4

Mass murder for profit is what the health insurance companies have been doing for decades. Scuba Jul 2015 #72

Drug prices in poor countries are very low, TPP won't change that. Hoyt Jul 2015 #6

No one on these forums is dumb enough to believe any of your tripe brentspeak Jul 2015 #7

I have asked that myself - the continued shilling is ridiculous. djean111 Jul 2015 #8

His job is to push somebody's corporate agenda. He and 4 or 5 other DU TPPers have a list Elwood P Dowd Jul 2015 #9

And they convince no one, and I will keep protesting, and I will never vote for anyone who voted for djean111 Jul 2015 #11

And the junk you guys say sounds like me when I lived in a house full of students Hoyt Jul 2015 #16

You probably have that backwards, but we still love you. Rex Jul 2015 #26

oh right - you're the grownup & the entire labor/environmental/health advocacy/ bread_and_roses Jul 2015 #31

It's true. In any event, you guys have shown you don't give a dang about helping poor Hoyt Jul 2015 #12

Debate fallacies here, and faulty logic. ananda Jul 2015 #17

You obviously have not researched how cheap -- often free -- drugs are in foreign countries Hoyt Jul 2015 #19

And you obviously cannot show one iota of proof to your claims and you never do. Rex Jul 2015 #27

OK, do this for me. Answer all my previous questions and then ... ananda Jul 2015 #48

Read up on India, and look up drug prices in 3rd World countries. Hoyt Jul 2015 #50

No, it's up to you to prove your assertions. ananda Jul 2015 #54

We have counterfeit drugs here. truedelphi Jul 2015 #55

Are you saying the information in the OP is lies? arcane1 Jul 2015 #20

LOL! IKR!? Rex Jul 2015 #24

I'm saying like most complicated issues, there are other views. Hoyt Jul 2015 #29

"Other Views" means you are choosing a side without evidence. arcane1 Jul 2015 #32

No, it means exactly what I said. I doubt you read any other views. Hoyt Jul 2015 #33

"Views" are not facts. arcane1 Jul 2015 #39

Like you have presented facts. You guys talk about a "secretive" agreement, then tell us it's bad. Hoyt Jul 2015 #40

I do not claim to have presented facts. arcane1 Jul 2015 #42

By your headline I didn't have to look who posted it Joe Turner Jul 2015 #53

Not only in "poor countries" moonbeam23 Jul 2015 #13

By the time they are through, the U.S. will be a "poor country." [n/t] Maedhros Jul 2015 #14

Worldwide feudalism under corporate seigneurs is the end game. hifiguy Jul 2015 #37

That drawing board is called the Trans Pacific Partnership. [n/t] Maedhros Jul 2015 #44

It should be called the TPCP -- Trans Pacific Corporate Plunder. (nm) Elwood P Dowd Jul 2015 #49

Perfect! smirkymonkey Jul 2015 #60

very serious issues angrychair Jul 2015 #15

But it is a legacy issue - right? jwirr Jul 2015 #28

Anyone who doesn't think that there indeed exist vast international conspiracies designed to truedelphi Jul 2015 #57

Surprise? Not. My husband needs an Rx that was $500 a month in December, 2014. 1monster Jul 2015 #22

They will definitely die or continue to live is squalor if you guys stop investments that Hoyt Jul 2015 #30

Strawman. Saying no to the TPP is not the same as saying "stop investments " arcane1 Jul 2015 #41

If you don't support the TPP, then you hate poor people neverforget Jul 2015 #43

"Trust McConnell and Boehner, not Warren, Reich, and Sanders!" arcane1 Jul 2015 #45

That was actually on the talking points list for one of the 1990's free trade deals. Elwood P Dowd Jul 2015 #47

Well done, arcane1. truedelphi Jul 2015 #59

FFS, millions of US jobs HAVE BEEN OUTSOURCED overseas bread_and_roses Jul 2015 #52

Well, when you're part of a group that says NAFTA created 22 million American jobs, Elwood P Dowd Jul 2015 #58

I'd like to add "hyper regulation" to that too. neverforget Jul 2015 #62

So TPP has hyper regulation AND hyper job creation along with Elwood P Dowd Jul 2015 #65

This is Unacceptable! J_J_ Jul 2015 #34

Histroy repeats itslef CTBlueboy Jul 2015 #35

Well, that is just tough shit. hifiguy Jul 2015 #36

K&R! Omaha Steve Jul 2015 #46

And Hillary is for it, and wouldn't lift a finger to change it, the Truth . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #51

sadly, yes.n /t restorefreedom Jul 2015 #66

The TPP is... Pastiche423 Jul 2015 #61

Yep. Can't appease shareholders with words. They always get the pony. nt raouldukelives Jul 2015 #63

Wealthy corporations sewing up their control of the world Wella Jul 2015 #69

I'm worried that the cost of medication here in Korea could be effect by the TPP davidpdx Jul 2015 #70

These concerns should be the priorities not 8000 % profit, perverse . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #71

For shame Obama lark Jul 2015 #73