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OilemFirchen

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25. This is not about Sanders, brooklynite.

Mon Jun 22, 2015, 05:50 PM

Jun 2015

He's not a grifter. His notions, by and large, are helpful, rather than destructive.

His ardent fans, though, are indistinguishable from Paulbots. I fully expect the same kinds of shenanigans from them during this primary.

Unlike Paul, however, I don't see Sanders taking the bait. Nor, BTW, do I see an enduring army equivalent to the Paul-inspired, Koch-sponsored Tea Party.

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Explain to me why Bernie Sanders isn't 2016's Ron Paul... [View all] brooklynite Jun 2015 OP

Ron Paul is an idiot. Bernie is not. He's a pretty smart cookie. eom Cleita Jun 2015 #1

Care to elaborate on how those smarts apply to a national campaign? brooklynite Jun 2015 #2

I don't think I can as I'm not running his campaign. Eom Cleita Jun 2015 #11

That lack of K-Street is part of his appeal, and part of the disdain people have for other canidates orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #106

He's not a crazy old racist Libertarian? bravenak Jun 2015 #3

Thank You. PotatoChip Jun 2015 #21

There is that, but now you are being picky randys1 Jun 2015 #46

Well, there IS that... nt hifiguy Jun 2015 #62

The Pauls' racism is reflected in their stances on "property rights" to reject the Civil Rights Act. cascadiance Jun 2015 #91

Have I mentioned yet today how much I love you, bravenak?! smokey nj Jun 2015 #119

Yay! bravenak Jun 2015 #132

Heh! +1 LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #171

Gee. we need another Bernie Sanders compared to Ron Paul thread neverforget Jun 2015 #4

It's just par for the course Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #97

It's the latest meme AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #157

His son doesn't have a weasel on top of his head? KamaAina Jun 2015 #5

Ok that made me laugh Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 #34

That thing may come to life at any moment hifiguy Jun 2015 #64

Ha-- I forgot about Aqua Buddha! Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 #67

Rand Paul is not going to be the GOP 2016 nominee Gothmog Jun 2015 #123

OMG... CherokeeDem Jun 2015 #152

In the running for dumb OP of the day hobbit709 Jun 2015 #6

Runaway winner, IMO. hifiguy Jun 2015 #65

Geez you are asking for it. upaloopa Jun 2015 #7

There is no difference between Democrats and Republicans so you are probably right... Agony Jun 2015 #8

Explain to me why Hillary Clinton isn't 2016's Mitt Romney... earthside Jun 2015 #9

Not so hard! I felt that all the way over here. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #13

Oh, my, THAT is gonna leave a mark. hifiguy Jun 2015 #66

Mitt Romney jamzrockz Jun 2015 #77

Mitt did win the nomination, but loss the GE. Exilednight Jun 2015 #128

The GOP does not have an Obama type candidate or even someone close Gothmog Jun 2015 #80

Because of a progressive enough record? Wingers are going with the meme that Hillary is too uponit7771 Jun 2015 #116

OUCH !!! (word)... WillyT Jun 2015 #121

That is a fair comparison ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #131

Who needs principles, a solid record & well-stated positions when you have Hillary and her money! Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #10

If you are so convinced he will fizzle out, why not wait and see what happens? djean111 Jun 2015 #12

You only take flak when you're over the target. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #16

Yes. Comparing Bernie to Paul seems to be the meme of the day. Yawn. djean111 Jun 2015 #18

The 2008 acronym "FUD" comes to mind n/t arcane1 Jun 2015 #28

Ah. I think it is having the opposite effect. n/t djean111 Jun 2015 #30

Indeed it is! arcane1 Jun 2015 #38

and, to paraphrase something someone said elsewhere - djean111 Jun 2015 #41

Exactly. All this 2008 revisiting has been very selective. And missing an important fact: arcane1 Jun 2015 #48

There is no one like Obama on either side of the field Gothmog Jun 2015 #82

Oh, right-- because Obama was so advantaged. Marr Jun 2015 #142

I'd be delighted to: brooklynite Jun 2015 #100

She self destructed in 08 AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #159

Maybe it was because she lost to jamzrockz Jun 2015 #109

The main theme of his campaign is income inequality. RDANGELO Jun 2015 #14

Glad y'all have a new dead horse to ride. Ride on! morningfog Jun 2015 #15

The weekly meme has been reduced to statistics and time travel, before a single primary vote. arcane1 Jun 2015 #36

Of course not. And we all know that women and black voters would never morningfog Jun 2015 #138

-1. n/t NRaleighLiberal Jun 2015 #17

Your concern is noted. Frankly I don't understand why you give a rip though. bluesbassman Jun 2015 #19

Bless your heart... Fumesucker Jun 2015 #20

ha Ha HA! Agony Jun 2015 #24

Oh, thank you!!!!!! djean111 Jun 2015 #35

DUzy, DUzy, DUzy!! hifiguy Jun 2015 #71

I don't think you missed anything. leftofcool Jun 2015 #22

I need the distraction nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #23

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #51

Here, a full tub nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #56

This is not about Sanders, brooklynite. OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #25

"His ardent fans, though, are indistinguishable from Paulbots." Wow madfloridian Jun 2015 #39

"Wow" OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #47

That's the new marching order, since smearing Sanders himself has failed so spectacularly. arcane1 Jun 2015 #57

Super Non Sequitor! OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #83

You're in luck: I never said you did. I simply said smearing Sanders hasn't worked out. arcane1 Jun 2015 #86

Nice try at what? OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #102

The Ron Paul comparison is another way to smear Bernie as a racist without smokey nj Jun 2015 #95

Comparisons aspirant Jun 2015 #144

I knew I'd missed somebody on the list of pointless, time-wasting insultmongers to add to ignore! nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #52

I would have been heartbroken if you had missed me. OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #59

Jury results. edbermac Jun 2015 #61

Whew! A squeaker! OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #75

Projection AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #158

First, he has WAY better hair hootinholler Jun 2015 #26

Check your Rolex, don't you have a tee time or something? whatchamacallit Jun 2015 #27

SNORT!!!! That was FUNNY as hell nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #44

Cotillion. The word you were looking for is "cotillion". ret5hd Jun 2015 #84

No it's a "salon" riderinthestorm Jun 2015 #146

Pardon me U4ikLefty Jun 2015 #154

I'll wait until the TV debates. karadax Jun 2015 #29

That's a very astute observation shenmue Jun 2015 #31

Why Hillary isn't 2016's Sarah Palin.... Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2015 #32

you really shouldn't wendylaroux Jun 2015 #33

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jun 2015 #58

No, she won't. It is a legitimate question. leftofcool Jun 2015 #60

. tk2kewl Jun 2015 #78

I don't feel the need to educate everyone who is wrong. Kalidurga Jun 2015 #37

Bernie's ideas areMos more attuned to mainstream Americans' ideas and experiences in recent JDPriestly Jun 2015 #40

Ron Paul also has popular ideas Recursion Jun 2015 #151

Except Bernie Sanders is speaking to the issues that Americans are angry about and that JDPriestly Jun 2015 #164

Uh, the fact that the election is 16 months away? Warpy Jun 2015 #42

Ron Paul's views are scary, Bernie's views are wise and progressive. madfloridian Jun 2015 #43

Ron Paul's ideological ceiling was 20% maybe Report1212 Jun 2015 #45

Ron Paul's philosophy is full of shit... lame54 Jun 2015 #49

I'll explain that Horizens Jun 2015 #50

And that is the problem with Bernie. leftofcool Jun 2015 #68

The extreme liberal left who supports him make up just about 12% of Democrats." bluesbassman Jun 2015 #85

So you are saying that Bernie's message sadoldgirl Jun 2015 #88

Not-so-clever use of the word "hatred" to make him appear irrational. arcane1 Jun 2015 #101

Corruption is Corruption Horizens Jun 2015 #107

Why would he need money when he has over 300,000 volunteers ready and able to work for him Oh Yes Jun 2015 #141

Are you lying... ljm2002 Jun 2015 #155

This is what you're missing Trajan Jun 2015 #53

I've said before, I have -no- objection to any of sanders's positions... brooklynite Jun 2015 #103

So you admit he is the better candidate AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #161

No - I say I'm happy with either. brooklynite Jun 2015 #165

Bullshit AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #169

Point to a "rant" where I've challenged a position of Bernie brooklynite Jun 2015 #173

Still waiting... brooklynite Jun 2015 #178

He wins the Iowa caucus.. it is a caucus and Motown_Johnny Jun 2015 #54

And whatever one may say about HRC hifiguy Jun 2015 #63

I thought that the groundgame was important in Iowa for the Democratic side Gothmog Jun 2015 #125

apparently, Bernie has a large number of volunteers Motown_Johnny Jun 2015 #129

Volunteers are great if they are coordinated Gothmog Jun 2015 #181

I am not getting into this mess but I don't remember Papa Paul polling in the 20s or... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #55

Allow Del Griffith to respond: Juicy_Bellows Jun 2015 #69

Copying my reply from a similar ridiculous thread Grilled Charlie Jun 2015 #70

Good answer---welcome to DU! panader0 Jun 2015 #130

Well, it looks like talking points for the week of 6/22 have been issued. frylock Jun 2015 #72

Yup! elleng Jun 2015 #127

Ron has a twinkly smile and Bernie has a trademark scowl? ucrdem Jun 2015 #73

You have any links to quotes that establishes Sanders is "running on ODS and Clinton fatigue"? bluesbassman Jun 2015 #87

So glad you asked! ucrdem Jun 2015 #89

That's what you consider "ODS", and "sarcastic tone"? bluesbassman Jun 2015 #110

"Truth, per the USTR"... ljm2002 Jun 2015 #163

2nd page of Sanders Jan. 5 letter: ucrdem Jun 2015 #111

Sanders: "Obama sounds like Bush and Clinton on trade" ucrdem Jun 2015 #112

So what? These links and page 2 of the letter are about the TPP. bluesbassman Jun 2015 #118

Love those links, thanks Autumn Jan 2016 #183

Sanders Calls Hillary Clinton Foundation Money ‘A Very Serious Problem’ ucrdem Jun 2015 #113

Sanders accuses Hillary Clinton of 'cop-out' on trade ucrdem Jun 2015 #117

Sanders' speeches are loaded with policy positions... ljm2002 Jun 2015 #160

I will let The Dude speak for me. hifiguy Jun 2015 #74

Elections and primaries are expensive Gothmog Jun 2015 #76

Subtlety. GeorgeGist Jun 2015 #79

Because there will not come a point when those intrigued by Sanders say MannyGoldstein Jun 2015 #81

You mean to say Bernie doesn't hang out at salons with Ron Paul? Rex Jun 2015 #99

Because he doesn't hate blacks and jews? Blue_Tires Jun 2015 #90

Ron Paul is a libertarian. sadoldgirl Jun 2015 #92

What are you missing? Objectivity. nt mother earth Jun 2015 #93

That, and empathy Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #108

Agreed. mother earth Jun 2015 #182

He kinda has this thing against billionaires for almost destroy the world economy. Rex Jun 2015 #94

+1 deutsey Jun 2015 #137

First we heard that Sanders should drop out because he didn't have a chance of winning the general tularetom Jun 2015 #96

The Ron Paul thing is another stab at the racist thing. They've been doing it since before he smokey nj Jun 2015 #114

It case you didn't notice (and it's clear that most of you didn't) brooklynite Jun 2015 #98

The way Bernie is going I think he will win the nomination....IMHO...n/t monmouth4 Jun 2015 #104

Do you actually read your posts before pushing that "Post my reply!" button? tularetom Jun 2015 #120

Condescending... brooklynite Jun 2015 #139

Your talking about Chess not Views and Solutions, Two different Species . That's Our orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #105

He's Senator Howard Stackhouse from The West Wing. onehandle Jun 2015 #115

What do you care? Blue_In_AK Jun 2015 #122

It's another way to smear Bernie as a racist without actually calling him a racist. smokey nj Jun 2015 #124

who says he needs to DonCoquixote Jun 2015 #126

Bernie doesn't ask people donate... Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #133

Ron Paul is batshit insane, for one. nt geek tragedy Jun 2015 #134

LBJ polled way ahead of Eugene McCarthy in '68. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2015 #135

I see a lot of responses; but, few addressing your question ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #136

Or - the "question" is more of a condescending explanation of why we delusional Sanders supporters djean111 Jun 2015 #166

Are you lumping me in with HRC supporters? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #168

I was referring to the OP, and the author of the OP. djean111 Jun 2015 #170

Oh ... Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #174

I meant the people who are busily enlightening Bernie supporters with tales of money over policy, djean111 Jun 2015 #175

Have I done any of that? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #176

Your initial post was directed at the OP. My answers were about the OP. I will fix my post djean111 Jun 2015 #177

Thank you. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #179

There are similarities. DCBob Jun 2015 #140

WOW Caretha Jun 2015 #143

What are you missing? Besides the experience of working for a living? Marr Jun 2015 #145

Feel free to embellish your stereotypes some more... brooklynite Jun 2015 #150

My sincere apologies-- I made an unfair assumption. /nt Marr Jun 2015 #153

I don't need to explain anything ibegurpard Jun 2015 #147

One big difference: kentuck Jun 2015 #148

Harry Truman v Dewey. It's almost exactly the same political climate riderinthestorm Jun 2015 #149

Bernie tells the truth AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #156

Another smear attempt AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #162

Explain to me why Hillary isn't 2016's LBJ who will have us at war with KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #167

Ask again in a year. Orsino Jun 2015 #172

“The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice.” Jeroen Jun 2015 #180