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266. Hillary Clinton: "I respect those who believe..there are no circumstances under which any abortion

Mon Jun 22, 2015, 05:44 PM

Jun 2015

..should ever be available"

NYT, Jan 2005: "Clinton seeking shared ground over abortions"

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/25/nyregion/clinton-seeking-shared-ground-over-abortions.html?_r=0

How is that any better than the statement you're using to try and hang Bernie Sanders- with his 100% NARAL rating- out to dry?

Is it okay because back in 2005 everyone was supposed to be courting "values voters", which is also the justification under which Hillary Clinton (but not Sanders, notably) was at the time openly campaigning to keep "marriage between a man and a woman"?

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Sen. Bernie Sanders On How Democrats Lost White Voters [View all] William769 Jun 2015 OP

Is there a contortionist convention in town? arcane1 Jun 2015 #1

Can you imagine if Bernie had said something like this? I think he would be toast. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #76

Democrats lost voters, PDJane Jun 2015 #2

94 percent of African Americans vote Democratic BainsBane Jun 2015 #5

Given the choice between a Democrat who acts like a Republican AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #37

.... 840high Jun 2015 #58

You mean white voters BainsBane Jun 2015 #95

Something went over your head AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #97

A lot of things go over that person's head davidpdx Jun 2015 #114

Bull Sheepshank Jun 2015 #119

White women too, by a 13% margin went for Romney over Obama in 2012 progree Jun 2015 #94

Yes, but especially men BainsBane Jun 2015 #96

True on men. (paragraph) Here's a breakdown of the white female vote progree Jun 2015 #100

But exit polls don't line up with counted votes anymore. Not since valerief Jun 2015 #131

There is no reason to suggest that vote flipping BainsBane Jun 2015 #141

Well, 94% of African Americans who voted in the 2012 Presidential and were exit polled. merrily Jun 2015 #140

Amazing how many of you seem troubled more black votes don't go to Republicans BainsBane Jun 2015 #156

You pulled that right out of merrily Jun 2015 #157

You mean white voters- don't you? Since we didn't lose black voters bettyellen Jun 2015 #124

The USA *did* overcome racism enough to elect Barack Obama. delrem Jun 2015 #3

He's the one that said it not me. William769 Jun 2015 #4

He did NOT say that. YOU snipped the quote into something absolute. delrem Jun 2015 #6

How dare he quote Sanders BainsBane Jun 2015 #7

He just did what you are famous for. n/t delrem Jun 2015 #9

Really, what is that? BainsBane Jun 2015 #13

Wildly out of context partial quotes AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #35

How is the quote out of context? BainsBane Jun 2015 #52

By purposefully mis-interpreting what was said AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #64

He provided the entire interview BainsBane Jun 2015 #90

Which he took wildly out of context AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #92

What was the context, in your opinion? ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #115

You have batted it out of the park Aerows Jun 2015 #195

Bravo. pacalo Jun 2015 #217

You meant he wasn't talking about how and why POC vote as "unimportant" bettyellen Jun 2015 #123

Nothing you just said AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #214

You (and others) protest ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #228

Not just my interpretation- but I'm sure you already knew that. bettyellen Jun 2015 #230

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #45

Perhaps you should take a few minutes to follow the link provided in the thread and then correct Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #25

My post is correct. delrem Jun 2015 #31

I listened to Bernie in his own voice, would you want to call Bernie out for what he said? Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #65

I don't have a clue wtf you're talking about, at this time. delrem Jun 2015 #69

Did you follow the link in the thread? Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #71

. delrem Jun 2015 #72

Gotcha. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #74

My post is correct. delrem Jun 2015 #79

You said: Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #125

Yes, I did say that, and it is correct. BYE! delrem Jun 2015 #171

Truth is better accepted than to continue to run away from truth. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #172

^^^^THIS^^^^ snagglepuss Jun 2015 #68

hey, wanna give a listen to hillary's bigoted anti-LGBT speech all about the sanctity of cali Jun 2015 #14

Oh so you don't want to discuss what the OP is about William769 Jun 2015 #19

Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #23

I'm a proud Gay Man that has no problem whatsoever voting for Hillary. William769 Jun 2015 #24

She can't answer. She's off on a vacation from DU. MineralMan Jun 2015 #166

Oh my. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #190

Keep going William. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #301

The OP is about ... NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #57

Address the OP or make your own. nt sheshe2 Jun 2015 #98

Thread jacking at its best. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #302

So you're agreeing with Bernies position on America overcoming racism?! tia uponit7771 Jun 2015 #270

I think it slithered that way ->, uponit7771 delrem Jun 2015 #287

Some of our loss might be economics dsc Jun 2015 #8

Equal rights for all persons under the law is an universal ground of progressive thought. delrem Jun 2015 #17

Well said BainsBane Jun 2015 #20

I certainly don't think we should change our positions on civil rights, gay rights, or immigration dsc Jun 2015 #21

What has this got to do with "white voters". I mean, wtf? delrem Jun 2015 #26

the op is about white voters dsc Jun 2015 #38

It's about working class people *in general*. delrem Jun 2015 #51

we aren't losing black or Hispanic working class voters dsc Jun 2015 #54

Of course you aren't! The USA just elected Barack Obama! delrem Jun 2015 #56

again, I am not disputing that Obama won dsc Jun 2015 #62

I'm glad you're not disputing that Obama won! delrem Jun 2015 #67

Cool! Another Hillary supporter implying that Bernie is racist! How fucking unique! nt Bonobo Jun 2015 #10

Not implying. William769 Jun 2015 #11

He's right - we shouldn't vote for someone because of their race. Maedhros Jun 2015 #27

One AA President in the history of this country BainsBane Jun 2015 #88

But that is NOT what he said ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #233

+1, my eyebrow raised a couple of times in this interview... The "america has overcome racism" uponit7771 Jun 2015 #272

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #279

I'm Hip,... this interview was 8 months ago so I pray his ear has gotten a lot less tin when it come uponit7771 Jun 2015 #281

Yeah, just posting what Hillary said about gay marriage riderinthestorm Jun 2015 #33

This thread isn't about what HRC, or what anyone else, said. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #235

Except it's what you say he said AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #47

"You didn't build that" CANDO Jun 2015 #93

time to kick your video of hilly's bigoted speech on the "sanctity" of marriage cali Jun 2015 #15

I think I will do just that. nt Bonobo Jun 2015 #22

Go ahead and cry when you listen to this tape of Hillary Clinton race baiting Senator Obama in 2008 Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #12

enough is enough. post it cali Jun 2015 #18

Maybe some other time. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #36

Well I posted that in GD, and it was a disaster... Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #159

This site can be nuts sometimes! zappaman Jun 2015 #175

Sid Dithers sent me mail today and asked if I was "Ramses" ... Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #176

Did you cry when you listened to Bernie? Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #28

Hmmm . merrily Jun 2015 #139

So you are saying Bernie is smearing himself. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #142

Um, no. merrily Jun 2015 #143

You posted: Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #146

Nothing in my post indicated Bernie was the speaker of the words in my post. merrily Jun 2015 #147

The link is posted in the thread, if you listen you will hear Bernie speaking. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #149

Poster, please. You replied to my post, which was about smears being laid on Bernie by others. merrily Jun 2015 #150

What thread are you posting? Apparently you did not follow the thread because you would know Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #152

I replied to you, to what you said, and you replied to me. It's called a subthread. merrily Jun 2015 #153

Yeah it was misspoken. He could've said it better... JaneyVee Jun 2015 #16

More like taken out of context and deliberately miscontrued Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #29

yes Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2015 #32

Nope, America hasn't overcome racism... that's not even near reality uponit7771 Jun 2015 #273

You know, it's the dishonesty of your post that people are responding to. Marr Jun 2015 #30

We're going to get a 'to the ropes' year of this dishonesty, too. delrem Jun 2015 #289

FAIL AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #34

Racism in America is manufactured? leftofcool Jun 2015 #102

Insinuating Bernies statements are at all racist AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #215

I see, telling POC what is and is not a racist comment to them. leftofcool Jun 2015 #220

But more ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #240

Someone just tried to start the same shit about sexism, lol. bettyellen Jun 2015 #250

It's called ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #251

True- no one called Sanders a racist - that is total bullshit. bettyellen Jun 2015 #236

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #39

Who is the "shutup poor people" choir? DanTex Jun 2015 #42

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #48

And people wonder why he polls so poorly among minorities... DanTex Jun 2015 #40

Sanders has not dismissed immigration issues. TM99 Jun 2015 #44

I suppose that's true if you skip the part where he called them "not important". DanTex Jun 2015 #46

What is 'not important' is focusing TM99 Jun 2015 #53

Question. sheshe2 Jun 2015 #99

All of us, not just some of us. TM99 Jun 2015 #105

+1 n/t Oilwellian Jun 2015 #107

You're a little behind - he made 840high Jun 2015 #60

Link please. leftofcool Jun 2015 #221

Not in that interview!!! uponit7771 Jun 2015 #276

He has called for a path to citizenship on more ocassions than Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #82

Where are Bernies handlers?! "... America has overcome racism..." WTF?! uponit7771 Jun 2015 #274

Clinton and her supporters TM99 Jun 2015 #41

Dissecting the 2008 Electorate: Most Diverse in U.S. History Agnosticsherbet Jun 2015 #43

It's like 2008 all up in here, like the last time your candidate LOST.. frylock Jun 2015 #49

Isn't it though. AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #111

Kudos on posting outside the HRC forum Deny and Shred Jun 2015 #50

Posted to for later 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #55

I don't care what race or gender the person I vote for is... Kalidurga Jun 2015 #59

Clearly not his best moment. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #61

unrec. 840high Jun 2015 #63

You embarrass yourself Teamster Jeff Jun 2015 #66

I think ole Bernie did that. leftofcool Jun 2015 #104

I'm a minority voter and he's spot on Report1212 Jun 2015 #70

He's wrong period. leftofcool Jun 2015 #103

While I appreciate Chris Rock's TM99 Jun 2015 #109

Bernie is a 1964 member of SNCC Report1212 Jun 2015 #168

So? What has he done lately? leftofcool Jun 2015 #222

This is a horrible horrible post Report1212 Jun 2015 #246

Marching with MLK Jr. 50 years ago means nothing. Incredible, on a dem. thread charging appalachiablue Jun 2015 #253

1 rec Trajan Jun 2015 #73

Very true. People can't handle what Senator Sanders said. William769 Jun 2015 #75

yeah, just because Bernie's supporters aren't rec it doesn't mean anything except they Cha Jun 2015 #81

As a Bernie supporter I was happy to recommend these two OPs to get them on the greatest page. Autumn Jun 2015 #121

I've got no problems with what he said. It's how you twisted it that's kind of pathetic n/t Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #84

Shall we discuss how Aerows Jun 2015 #77

He's right. "you should not be basing your politics based on color." madfloridian Jun 2015 #78

Because ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #242

Nevermind, my mistake. Carry on. nt nc4bo Jun 2015 #80

i think this could have more to do with being from a mostly white state like Vermont JI7 Jun 2015 #83

LOL.. see that William.. someone said you "embarass yourself" bc you posted Bernie's statement.. so Cha Jun 2015 #85

They're talking about this bit where small snippets were taken out of context... Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #87

Do you think politics should be based on color? madfloridian Jun 2015 #86

No. That's why when I read a story from The Hill that said that Clinton planned to pick Castro as Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #89

What bothers me is that the OP seems to think so. madfloridian Jun 2015 #91

So Julian Castro is the only Hispanic okasha Jun 2015 #184

I suggest they name their candidate instead of "another Hispanic." Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #201

Maybe Obama should have selected Joe Biden or another white candidate. Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #202

Kicking for 100 replies. sheshe2 Jun 2015 #101

Your excerpting severely distorts his meaning several times, I think. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2015 #106

What is he referring to as "not important" then? bettyellen Jun 2015 #118

I am embarrassed for you Motown_Johnny Jun 2015 #108

I haven't even seen his birth certificate. nt raouldukelives Jun 2015 #112

I really thought better of you William hootinholler Jun 2015 #113

Smears and weasel words... 99Forever Jun 2015 #120

So am I. Pretty low. 840high Jun 2015 #283

Bernie's comments on this sound very similar to what I have heard Republicans say. DCBob Jun 2015 #116

To overcome a bigotry is not to eradicate it, it is to overwhelm it with those who are not bigoted Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #117

Good thoughts but it's an awkward at best phrasing.... bettyellen Jun 2015 #122

No, all this is is another disingenuous attempt to falsely frame Senator Sanders as a Zorra Jun 2015 #128

Did he say those things or not???????????? leftofcool Jun 2015 #132

I think they're associating him w disinterest in black America - not racism. bettyellen Jun 2015 #133

No. It's a smear attempt, a misconstruing of the meaning and intent of Zorra Jun 2015 #154

Nope- there are no "filthy allegations" of racism. That is a manufactured smear on its face. bettyellen Jun 2015 #155

If you don't feel yourself to be intrinsically equal to all other human beings, Zorra Jun 2015 #161

Sanders showed his disinterest in black America when he fought for civil rights.. frylock Jun 2015 #158

Well were talking about the primary campaign but whatever. bettyellen Jun 2015 #163

yeah, whatevs.. frylock Jun 2015 #169

And here comes the mocking of women and POC bettyellen Jun 2015 #173

:bangshead: frylock Jun 2015 #182

Bang away! It's not just me wondering where he is on these issues.... bettyellen Jun 2015 #231

Senators Sanders record on these issues leaves no doubt as to where he stands.. frylock Jun 2015 #247

I have a candidate? Lol. Please stop making shit up. bettyellen Jun 2015 #248

"Please stop making shit up." frylock Jun 2015 #249

I don't believe you just said this. sheshe2 Jun 2015 #178

I don't believe we have to go through this same routine. . frylock Jun 2015 #183

I do- Sanders can "agree to disagree" about some life and death issues that effect women... bettyellen Jun 2015 #232

What a bullshit article. TM99 Jun 2015 #282

I know, huh ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #243

It's bizarre- when I posted this Salon article that quotes him- it's also bettyellen Jun 2015 #244

Overcome: to succeed in dealing with a problem (a problem or difficulty) Zorra Jun 2015 #126

Reclaiming the votes of working class white men IS a problem to be solved. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #127

from 2008: Clinton Touts White Support................ Autumn Jun 2015 #129

Is nothing too false or too low? merrily Jun 2015 #130

This is a deliberate and dishonest smear attempt. sammythecat Jun 2015 #134

I dealt with the same post over at kos Mnpaul Jun 2015 #162

I'm hispanic, and before Bernie entered the azmom Jun 2015 #135

This is insanely tone-deaf, even though I'm pretty sure he didn't mean it Arkana Jun 2015 #136

Questions for Bernie supporters: His NPR interview ('You shouldn't base your politics on your color) bigtree Jun 2015 #137

There is no low many Hillary Clinton supporters won't go to. 99Forever Jun 2015 #138

A new, but not unexpected low. HappyMe Jun 2015 #144

I give my semar garbage an F also because I have none. William769 Jun 2015 #145

Of course you would. HappyMe Jun 2015 #148

Not trying to. William769 Jun 2015 #151

You are no better or different than the OP of a smear thread that just got hid. 99Forever Jun 2015 #160

You support your's HappyMe Jun 2015 #164

They think Bernie's own words "smear" him.. so be it. Cha Jun 2015 #179

It damn sure is a rabbit hole series with them. William769 Jun 2015 #180

.. Cha Jun 2015 #181

Hi Cha. It's very clear it's the OP's misquoting of his words that's the smear. Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #185

Trust me, she heard you yesterday. William769 Jun 2015 #186

So she knows that it's yr comments that's the smear, not Sander's comments. Oh-kay... Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #187

She knows what Senator Sanders said. William769 Jun 2015 #188

She knows what you said when you misquoted him isn't what Sanders said... Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #189

If this is a hit piece, Senator Sanders did it to himself. William769 Jun 2015 #191

Why did the Hillary campaign release the photo of Obama in a turban, William? Bonobo Jun 2015 #193

No, it's yr comments after what he said that makes it a hit piece... Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #196

I know the truth hurts. William769 Jun 2015 #197

Yes, I've noticed it seems to... Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #198

Exactly, William.. and I agree with the comments on Sen Sanders statement that were Not taken out Cha Jun 2015 #204

Sorry, but the comments after what Sanders said were taken out of context... Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #208

If Sandes brushes aside issues and people notice- how are the people who notice the problem? bettyellen Jun 2015 #234

The article said he's strongly pro-choice... Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #238

Yet he just can't say it- not when appearing in Wisconsin of all places, not on his website.... bettyellen Jun 2015 #239

Hillary Clinton: "I respect those who believe..there are no circumstances under which any abortion Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #266

Because she was speaking in full support of preserving the right to choose and reaching out to try bettyellen Jun 2015 #267

There were a lot of pro-choice people pissed off about the way she courted "values voters" back then Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #268

For me, he needs to put it on his website. And talk about it now. bettyellen Jun 2015 #269

I agree. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #288

I'm shocked at people expecting voters do research, because largely they do not. bettyellen Jun 2015 #305

Well I'm gonna give all the candidates benefit of the doubt that they're going to address lots of Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #307

Maybe you should read what a PoC has to say. sheshe2 Jun 2015 #199

Maybe *you* should read what a PoC has to say... Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #200

It only matters when POC agree with them. Bonobo Jun 2015 #203

Yep, exactly. The reply I just got to one of my posts confirmed that entirely... Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #209

TM99 sheshe2 Jun 2015 #205

And? Yr point about the post I linked to for you to read? Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #207

Exactly. sheshe2 Jun 2015 #212

I dunno. I think it's wrong to dismiss AA DUers that don't post in the AA group... Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #227

What about Brother Ivan? Bonobo Jun 2015 #211

Who claimed that women and POC in GD are faking concerns because they're in the bag for bettyellen Jun 2015 #245

A bizarre and incomprehensible concoction of lies and fabrications that is infamous. appalachiablue Jun 2015 #254

Yes, because I don't post in AA TM99 Jun 2015 #285

I don't understand responses like this. If you interpreted the ecstatic Jun 2015 #167

The contempt on this thread is incredible to read. bettyellen Jun 2015 #174

Precisely.. how dare anyone offer an opinion on Bernie's quotes that were Not taken out Cha Jun 2015 #216

That's offensive ecstatic Jun 2015 #165

Thank you for your post, ecstatic..I find Bernie's words offensive too.. they're not being "twisted" Cha Jun 2015 #206

I don't support Bernie Sanders nor Hillary Clinton yet I know they were twisted... Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #210

To you? Why don't you ask what POC believe? leftofcool Jun 2015 #223

LOL. leftofcool thinks all POC think the same way. Bonobo Jun 2015 #224

Why? Anyone who can read can see the misquoting and creative commentary going on by the OP n/t Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #226

The Reagan Democrats won't leave the GOP. n/t freshwest Jun 2015 #170

I don't vote based on race. SamKnause Jun 2015 #177

FLASHBACK TO A REAL SMEAR (From HRC campaign) Bonobo Jun 2015 #192

Hey, at least her campaign talked about race.. frylock Jun 2015 #275

Absolutely. They were just SO SHOCKED that the Obama camp took umbrage at that. Bonobo Jun 2015 #277

+1, Not surprising that people who would defend/ignore that would also do what the OP is doing. Marr Jun 2015 #303

It was truly one of the sleaziest, sleaziest things ever and I cannot imagine how one Bonobo Jun 2015 #304

This is a problem. Whether the BS Group wants to admit it or not. That kickoff, that looked like a Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #194

Yeah, turns out Bernie was wrong.. "What you got is an African American President, and the African Cha Jun 2015 #213

Exactly. It was white folks who wanted to rush to declare racism over. That way, they never have.. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #257

Yeah, Justice Roberts and Bernie among others declaring.. ".. this country overcame racism when Cha Jun 2015 #258

William, you are totallly misinterpreting what Bernie is saying. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #218

Bernie Sanders is the one who doesn't know what he's talking about and he needs to be challenged Cha Jun 2015 #219

His supporters will keep sweeping this under the rug. leftofcool Jun 2015 #225

It's not just black communities, he pretty much fucked up the span in this interview. Immigration.. uponit7771 Jun 2015 #280

No credibility at all with the racist straw man- sorry but we are not the only ones noticing: bettyellen Jun 2015 #241

What does Bernie mean when he says: "How is your family doing?" DCBob Jun 2015 #229

I have to agree - when he talks about MORE vacation time who so many have none- bettyellen Jun 2015 #237

Sanders is very aware of the need for paid sick, vacation & maternity leave for workers & families. appalachiablue Jun 2015 #255

This reveals the disconnect ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #252

His call for one's politics to be based on how one's family is doing, ignores PoC's lived experience Cha Jun 2015 #260

Good points, DCBob. Cha Jun 2015 #259

He used the word correctly. It wasn't poorly stated. RichVRichV Jun 2015 #256

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #262

Bernie said nothing about "this instance" ... he said "America has overcome racism" which is about uponit7771 Jun 2015 #278

Stop twisting words please. Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #261

Here ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #263

No. Just no. eom Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #264

Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #265

Sanders statement about the country overcoming racism is NOT twisting words at all... his direct uponit7771 Jun 2015 #271

We have overcome a lot of racism in this country. TM99 Jun 2015 #284

"a lot" wasn't what Bernie said, that would've been better but to say America voting for someone uponit7771 Jun 2015 #290

Pay attention to everything he has said TM99 Jun 2015 #294

I read the whole damn thing, I can read what he said and it is what it is... uponit7771 Jun 2015 #296

Did you read the provided links? TM99 Jun 2015 #298

Sanders derided the politicians who use race as a wedge issue. See context of the quote. Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #286

I'm talking about him saying that America had overcome racism, that's HIS WORDS that's not uponit7771 Jun 2015 #291

No, what he said was Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #292

There was no "extent" in that statement... I'm reading what BERNIE said not what people are saying uponit7771 Jun 2015 #293

Lovely: we are now down to sematics. Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #295

Well done. TM99 Jun 2015 #297

You're qualifying a statement that Bernie did not qualify, there's nothing there that indicates that uponit7771 Jun 2015 #299

We are going to have to agree to disagree Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #306

K & R. nt. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #300