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In reply to the discussion: Pew Research, May 27: "Free Trade Agreements Seen as Good for U.S." [View all]beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)56. You're using selective excerpts to promote your cause and ignoring others:
On the other hand, there has been no improvement since 2010 in opinions about the effect of free trade agreements on wages. Currently, 46% say free trade deals make the wages of American workers lower, while just 11% say they lead to higher wages (33% say they do not make a difference). The share saying that trade agreements drive down wages is largely unchanged since 2010, when 45% said they made wages lower.
In addition, trade agreements continue to be seen as doing more to cost jobs than create them. In the new survey, 46% say free trade agreements lead to job losses in the United States; just 17% say they create jobs in this country. That is only somewhat more positive than five years ago, when 55% said trade deals cost jobs and 8% said they create jobs.
In addition, trade agreements continue to be seen as doing more to cost jobs than create them. In the new survey, 46% say free trade agreements lead to job losses in the United States; just 17% say they create jobs in this country. That is only somewhat more positive than five years ago, when 55% said trade deals cost jobs and 8% said they create jobs.
Nearly half (46%) of Americans say trade agreements lead to job losses, more than twice the number (17%) who say they create jobs (28% say they do not make a difference). Similarly, 46% say free trade agreements make the wages of American workers lower, while just 11% say they make wages higher (33% say they do not make a difference). On both of these questions there are no significant differences in the views of Republicans, Democrats and independents.
Currently, 52% of those who rate their financial situations as good or excellent say their finances have been helped by free trade agreements, up from 37% six years ago.
By comparison, there has been a smaller increase in positive views of the impact of free trade agreements among those who rate their own finances as only fair (41% today vs. 34% in November 2009).
Those who rate their finances as poor continue to say free trade agreements have had a negative effect on their financial conditions. About twice as many people who say their finances are in poor shape say they have been hurt than helped by free trade agreements (55% vs. 27%). That is little changed from the way people who saw their financial situations as poor viewed free trade agreements six years ago; at that time, 50% said their finances were hurt by free trade and just 24% said they were helped.
By comparison, there has been a smaller increase in positive views of the impact of free trade agreements among those who rate their own finances as only fair (41% today vs. 34% in November 2009).
Those who rate their finances as poor continue to say free trade agreements have had a negative effect on their financial conditions. About twice as many people who say their finances are in poor shape say they have been hurt than helped by free trade agreements (55% vs. 27%). That is little changed from the way people who saw their financial situations as poor viewed free trade agreements six years ago; at that time, 50% said their finances were hurt by free trade and just 24% said they were helped.
According to that info the TPP is just fucking awesome if you don't care about the opinions of poor people.
Propaganda only works if people don't look at it too closely.
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Looks like Stop the TPP isn't such a winning issue among younger voters and Hispanics:
ucrdem
Jun 2015
#1
That's cool. But, then, why the organised pile-on when some of us express our concern about it?
djean111
Jun 2015
#57
Well then, I guess we will see, won't we. In the meantime, no votes from me for those who vote
djean111
Jun 2015
#66
No you don't get it. Read about the international tribunals that use UN/WTO rules and
Hoyt
Jun 2015
#108
Yes. Of course, many of the so-called progressives here call it superseding when a country
Hoyt
Jun 2015
#121
They have to show they've been discriminated against in favor of domestic corporations.
Hoyt
Jun 2015
#143
B/S they can show cause by the U.S. having a regulation that has a higher standard
Joe Turner
Jun 2015
#146
The manufacturing base has been sliding since first transistor radios, Chinese Finger Traps, and VWs
Hoyt
Jun 2015
#152
Yep all the countries party to trade agreements are corporate bought, and you and a few self-styled
Hoyt
Jun 2015
#193
Yet, they are party to these agreements because they want more trade and investment in their
Hoyt
Jun 2015
#197
Did you ever drive our 60/70s gas guzzlers. Heavy, crummy cars, unless you need a high
Hoyt
Jun 2015
#203
And, nobody wants our cars because they cost too much for what you get. Sorry, that's the truth.
Hoyt
Jun 2015
#211
Really? I thought these free trade deals were going to open up markets for us
Joe Turner
Jun 2015
#218
And TPP is trying to salvage what we can. Manufacturing jobs have been disappearing for 40 years
Hoyt
Jun 2015
#228
And yet, liberal Democrats in Congress who have actually read the damn thing
Art_from_Ark
Jun 2015
#215
Executing old people is great too. Medicare doesn't really need that $700 million n/t
eridani
Jun 2015
#7
Whoring for corporate overthrow of public decisions is antidemocratic thuggery n/t
eridani
Jun 2015
#11
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
AgingAmerican
Jun 2015
#235
I doubt the average American will be able to afford a new car in a few years
betterdemsonly
Jun 2015
#38
College Grads, Young People More Likely to View Free Trade Agreements As Helping Personal Finances
ucrdem
Jun 2015
#16
The farther in time we get from the last free trade agreement, the more people forget the harm done
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Jun 2015
#27
Free-traders: liberal Dems, Hispanics, young voters. Protectionists: cons, Republicans, older voters
ucrdem
Jun 2015
#18
The Democratic Party has been the low-tariff, high-trade party since the Civil War ended. FDR and
pampango
Jun 2015
#22
Trying to continue peddling TPP propaganda, its not about trade, its about SELLING OUT AMERICA
AZ Progressive
Jun 2015
#25
So you don't believe what is being leaked out at all? So your calling everyone else liars?
AZ Progressive
Jun 2015
#33
There are lots of FUD-peddlers, yes, and I've been calling them out for as long as I've been here.
ucrdem
Jun 2015
#35
Per the Pew poll their views on free trade are shared by a shrinking conservative minority. nt
ucrdem
Jun 2015
#51
So disagreeing with Sanders re Citzens United and big money in politics is a bad thing.
beam me up scottie
Jun 2015
#158
You said: "Poll Finds 80% Of Republicans Agree With Bernie Sanders On Citizens United"
beam me up scottie
Jun 2015
#160
You claimed anti-TPP sentiment was "skewed" towards "older conservative Republicans"
beam me up scottie
Jun 2015
#167
I've been on my own since I asked why you ignored crucial data in the op.
beam me up scottie
Jun 2015
#172
Experience has taught me not to jump on something without knowing all the facts
AZ Progressive
Jun 2015
#74
You seem to know very little about the TPP. Please educate yourself. Here are the links again:
ucrdem
Jun 2015
#201
The sleight of hand here is to test for free trade in general rather than the tpp specifically
betterdemsonly
Jun 2015
#53
You're using selective excerpts to promote your cause and ignoring others:
beam me up scottie
Jun 2015
#56
Since when is "a national sample of 2,002 adults" a concensus of Americans?
beam me up scottie
Jun 2015
#61
Unlike you, I wouldn't use such sketchy data to promote my pet cause.
beam me up scottie
Jun 2015
#65
Why? I used results from the poll in the op to point out that you put your own spin on it.
beam me up scottie
Jun 2015
#71
"You cannot be on the fence on this one. You are either for it or you are against it. No fence-
ucrdem
Jun 2015
#90
Lol! Just because you can only see one issue doesn't mean we don't see the others.
beam me up scottie
Jun 2015
#94
Again: "pertaining or devoted to one public issue ONLY, especially a political one"
beam me up scottie
Jun 2015
#104
You don't even know the definitions of the words you're flinging around. You're the poster child for
beam me up scottie
Jun 2015
#115
True. Polls are good for showing what people think. Not whether they are right or wrong.
pampango
Jun 2015
#141
How would DU have reacted to FDR's International Trade Organization (and GATT), the IMF and World Bank
pampango
Jun 2015
#93
Opposition to free trade is "libertarian"? Next tell me about the trickle down populists.
Romulox
Jun 2015
#99
3-sentence summary posted upthread, but you couldn't be bothered to click the link. nt
ucrdem
Jun 2015
#129
You're posting the sort of gibberish that only sways the profoundly ignorant. It's embarrassing. nt
Romulox
Jun 2015
#222
If by hyper-regulation you mean letting the corporations write the rules, then
neverforget
Jun 2015
#232
GATT was "a general lowering of tariffs". The ITO was much more & included international regulations
pampango
Jun 2015
#118
I wonder what the percentage is of people whose hometowns' unemployment rates skyrocketed
gollygee
Jun 2015
#110
Why aren't all of the other Hillary supporters joining you in your TPP crusade?
beam me up scottie
Jun 2015
#125
From what I've seen they're no shrinking violets when it comes to defending their opinions.
beam me up scottie
Jun 2015
#128
Maybe they think it's simply a trade agreement..don't realize full implications.
madfloridian
Jun 2015
#144
Okay here's my take: much ado about sovereignty (ISDS) = FUD of various grades.
ucrdem
Jun 2015
#208
It's customary to post a link for those who don't have a Vulcan Mind Meld app. nt
ucrdem
Jun 2015
#183
It is really disappointing to see so many progressives on this site parrot 'free trade'.
Rex
Jun 2015
#221
Working Americans don't think shipping jobs overseas is good. The survey is absurd on it's face.
GoneFishin
Jun 2015
#192
That's for sure. Pretty sure they don't work on an assembly line, or worry about being foreclosed on
GoneFishin
Jun 2015
#219
Delusional indeed. Trusting poodles who the 1% would gladly serve up on a barbeque spit.
GoneFishin
Jun 2015
#230
They are the same ones always pushing the mega-rich fake free trade agenda.
Elwood P Dowd
Jun 2015
#231
AFL-CIO and a few other trade unions have done a good job demonizing the TPP
BlueCaliDem
Nov 2015
#243